RIMS - Are they worth it? - Yamaha R1 Forum: YZF-R1 Forums
Appearance & Mods Looks is important. Ask here for help on, flushmounts, undertails, bodywork, exhaust models etc

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 126 (permalink) Old 01-02-2013, 08:05 AM Thread Starter
Turn and Burn!
 
KoC-BlocER1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: So Cal
Posts: 1,106
RIMS - Are they worth it?

Hey All,

I've been looking at some upgrades for my 09. I've done the suspension already and was recently looking at rims. Are they worth the $$$? Very expensive - $2500-$3500. For those who have changed them, is the weight difference, handling difference worth it? Or would you change out brakes..or something else. Bike is used mainly in canyons and trackdays.
KoC-BlocER1 is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 126 (permalink) Old 01-02-2013, 08:07 AM
R1 Forum Star
 
z064life's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 16,137
Define worth it

They will noticably change the characteristics of the bike assuming you go with something light The stock wheels aren't that much heavier than a forged Al wheel so you won't notice as much change as if you go to say a Mag wheel or CF wheel.

Hey Greenstreak, it's z064life lazy ass

Phantom Squadron XO - http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/50-r1-012-%60phantom-squadron%60/
z064life is offline  
post #3 of 126 (permalink) Old 01-02-2013, 08:08 AM
*Insert Witty Phrase Here*
 
Flexxx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Nashville, NC
Posts: 3,635
Garage
I personally would say brakes first. To me, that is money MORE well spent.

Better put, I would say buy rims last. Big expense for little gain. Basically what z064life said.

SAVE A HORSE, RIDE A CROSSPLANE

NC STATE LEAD
R1-016 VENOM SQUADRON
JOIN HERE



My 09 R1 Build

My Crossplane-Powered 37 Legends Car Build

Flexxx is offline  
post #4 of 126 (permalink) Old 01-02-2013, 08:54 AM
R1 Forum Star
 
z064life's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 16,137
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flexxx View Post
I personally would say brakes first. To me, that is money MORE well spent.

Better put, I would say buy rims last. Big expense for little gain. Basically what z064life said.
I might agree with the Master cylinder to upgrade, but the stock calipers are more than capable.

Hey Greenstreak, it's z064life lazy ass

Phantom Squadron XO - http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=50
z064life is offline  
post #5 of 126 (permalink) Old 01-02-2013, 09:07 AM
*Insert Witty Phrase Here*
 
Flexxx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Nashville, NC
Posts: 3,635
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by z064life View Post
I might agree with the Master cylinder to upgrade, but the stock calipers are more than capable.
Oh I definitely agree. Just saying I think he'll get more "bang for his buck" with brakes.

SAVE A HORSE, RIDE A CROSSPLANE

NC STATE LEAD
R1-016 VENOM SQUADRON
JOIN HERE



My 09 R1 Build

My Crossplane-Powered 37 Legends Car Build

Flexxx is offline  
post #6 of 126 (permalink) Old 01-02-2013, 09:38 AM Thread Starter
Turn and Burn!
 
KoC-BlocER1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: So Cal
Posts: 1,106
I am pretty hard on the brakes, but so far stock has been well. Wouldn't losing maybe 10-15lbs from the rim difference make the brakes work a little better?
KoC-BlocER1 is online now  
post #7 of 126 (permalink) Old 01-02-2013, 09:43 AM
R1 Forum Star
 
z064life's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 16,137
Quote:
Originally Posted by KoC-BlocER1 View Post
I am pretty hard on the brakes, but so far stock has been well. Wouldn't losing maybe 10-15lbs from the rim difference make the brakes work a little better?
Yes. acceleration will be better as well as stopping. You will get better feel from an aftermarket MC though. Your calipers will work great.

Hey Greenstreak, it's z064life lazy ass

Phantom Squadron XO - http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=50
z064life is offline  
post #8 of 126 (permalink) Old 01-02-2013, 11:46 AM
I eat my R1
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Holland MA.
Posts: 113
Ive got a set of pvm's on my gsxr race bike. They were pretty much the last thing i did to the bike. They made a big difference but they also cost a ton. I had my brakes, suspension and engine all sorted out before i got those. I wouldnt put them on a stock bike and look for gains with them. While you would see them your money would be better spent on other components first.
boosten lebaron is offline  
post #9 of 126 (permalink) Old 01-02-2013, 12:38 PM
Sonic Boom!
 
Benocehcap's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Azores,Portugal
Posts: 6,832
Quote:
Originally Posted by boosten lebaron View Post
Ive got a set of pvm's on my gsxr race bike. They were pretty much the last thing i did to the bike. They made a big difference but they also cost a ton. I had my brakes, suspension and engine all sorted out before i got those. I wouldnt put them on a stock bike and look for gains with them. While you would see them your money would be better spent on other components first.
Get some Dymags. they go cheap now, since everyone is going with BST's

Benocehcap is offline  
post #10 of 126 (permalink) Old 01-02-2013, 12:49 PM
big tracks scare me
 
smalltrack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: NW Chicago suburb
Posts: 8,422
Quote:
Originally Posted by Benocehcap View Post
Get some Dymags. they go cheap now, since everyone is going with BST's
They look really heavy though.

smalltrack is offline  
post #11 of 126 (permalink) Old 01-02-2013, 01:08 PM Thread Starter
Turn and Burn!
 
KoC-BlocER1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: So Cal
Posts: 1,106
Suspension is done, engine is pretty much stock (which is fine), next year maybe full exhaust and mapping, so this year is either brakes or rims (unless I am missing something else). So..are brakes the better way to go first? Or would they both be about equal. I am leading towards rims, hoping it will maybe help the bike respond a little better, maybe a little less effort throwing it around, better acceleration/deceleration?
What is a PVM?
KoC-BlocER1 is online now  
post #12 of 126 (permalink) Old 01-02-2013, 01:09 PM Thread Starter
Turn and Burn!
 
KoC-BlocER1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: So Cal
Posts: 1,106
I was looking at the OZ rims..
KoC-BlocER1 is online now  
post #13 of 126 (permalink) Old 01-02-2013, 01:26 PM
I eat my R1
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Holland MA.
Posts: 113
Quote:
Originally Posted by KoC-BlocER1 View Post
Suspension is done, engine is pretty much stock (which is fine), next year maybe full exhaust and mapping, so this year is either brakes or rims (unless I am missing something else). So..are brakes the better way to go first? Or would they both be about equal. I am leading towards rims, hoping it will maybe help the bike respond a little better, maybe a little less effort throwing it around, better acceleration/deceleration?
What is a PVM?
PVM is a rim company. They are just one of the few i would trust to buy from.
http://www.pvm.de/w1/en/index.html

Im not sure what your looking at for brakes but it shouldnt be a ton of money to do it. Stock setup is pretty good. Some new lines and your almost done. I use ebc HH pads on my race bike with radial fronts, brembo master, braided lines and floating rotors. Thats about as hard core as you can get and its not much money. On the r1 id skip the full floaters and keep oem calipers, probably skip the new master too. Maybe pads and lines and you should have fantastic stopping power.
You can kind of feel the rims everywere. I had to redo all my suspension settings and changed the angle of my clipons to compansate for the flighty front end i had after i put them on. Everything was pretty much improved. One thing i will warn about getting aftermarket rims is make sure you can get sprockets easily. I have a few friends with rims that take many, many weeks to get sprockets in so they buy in bulk. When i first got my pvm they were new to this country and it took a few months to get them, now i can have them tomorrow but it did screw me abit in the beginning.
You should also plan on getting new bearings with the rims. Id go ceramic but they are pricey. I never really noticed the difference on the street or track even since i did them with a few other thing but i definately noticed them when i would stunt the bike. When i would do rolling stoppies on normal bearings i would roll maybe a hundred feet and i was really trying, after the ceramic that distance doubled and then some. It actually scared me the first time i did one because i didnt think it would make a difference. Having the bike on the stand and spinning them by hand they go much, much longer and are smoother too.

What have you done to your suspension?

Im also not a fan of any real engine work but bolt-ons should be done before the rims. Things like exhaust and tuning will net bigger gains than the rims. If it was my r1 and i was in your shoes with your bike id be looking into easy bolt-ons and as much weight reduction as is affordable and easy. The key to these r1's is to get the curb weight down. Rims help but there are things to do before hand. Exhaust can be almost 20 lbs just by itself. A nice light battery can be another 10lbs or more. You really want to try to get to as close to the other liter class bikes as you can in both power and weight before going for big ticket items.
boosten lebaron is offline  
post #14 of 126 (permalink) Old 01-02-2013, 01:43 PM
kickin' at the darkness
 
bacchus40's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: British Columbia
Posts: 8,449
i seriously doubt 2-3lbs savings will have any significant effect at all on a modern sport-bike... as Z06 pointed out... you'll only see any improvements if you go CF or mags {sorry z06! }..


i would like to have nicer looking rims than stockers but it will be close to the last thing i do on this bike... \
suspension and exhaust management is all done, HEL SS lines & Carbone Lorraine handle brakes nicely... headwork will probably fall in line with the wheels, way down the line...


2009 YZF-R1 xPlanker

DJ PCV, AT200 & POD300, Leo Vince EVOII SBK/ARROW SS HEADER, GRAVES STACKS & AIS, GYTR, ECUnleashed, SHORAI, YOYODYNE sc, HINSON bskt, EBC SRK, ASV clutch perch, RK520, JT 15T/44T, Lithtech chain adjust, ANNITORI RL
CLEVER WOLF CF, RIZOMA grips, APEX risers, CRG Arrows, GYTR seat, SHOGUN sliders, GBR covers, GYTR db, Watsens, 6000k HID, RACETECH springs, RACETECH G3-LD, OHLINs FPK, CL SBK5/RX3, HEL SS lines, Accossato Radial 19x18,

Last edited by bacchus40; 01-02-2013 at 01:54 PM.
bacchus40 is offline  
post #15 of 126 (permalink) Old 01-02-2013, 01:50 PM
R1 Forum Star
 
z064life's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 16,137
Quote:
Originally Posted by bacchus40 View Post
i seriously doubt 2-3lbs savings will have any significant effect at all on a modern sport-bike... as Z06 pointed out... you'll only see any improvements if you go CF or TI..


i would like to have nicer looking rims than stockers but it will be close to the last thing i do on this bike... \
suspension and exhaust management is all done, HEL SS lines & Carbone Lorraine handle brakes nicely... headwork will probably fall in line with the wheels, way down the line...
Mag not Ti

Hey Greenstreak, it's z064life lazy ass

Phantom Squadron XO - http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=50
z064life is offline  
post #16 of 126 (permalink) Old 01-02-2013, 01:50 PM
R1 Forum Star
 
z064life's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 16,137
Quote:
Originally Posted by smalltrack View Post
They look really heavy though.

Hey Greenstreak, it's z064life lazy ass

Phantom Squadron XO - http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=50
z064life is offline  
post #17 of 126 (permalink) Old 01-02-2013, 01:52 PM Thread Starter
Turn and Burn!
 
KoC-BlocER1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: So Cal
Posts: 1,106
Yeah, I'm trying to lose some weight and add better performance and feel. I replaced fork internals with Ohlins, rear Ohilns TTX and so far it feels pretty good. I have braided lines coming in and already have more aggresive pads than stock, that's it for the brake section.
Good points on the rims. I have already done a 520 DID conversion last year and don't want to have to redo anything by adding new rims. I am just hoping to buy them and bearing, slap-on my sprocket and go.

It's not a track bike, but maybe in a few more years it will be. I do have GYTR slipons, and plan to do a full system maybe next year. The next 3 things I plan are: RIMS, Brakes and PIPE. Just unsure it what order. By this time next year I plan to have all 3 done. No matter what you do..its a lot of $$$
KoC-BlocER1 is online now  
post #18 of 126 (permalink) Old 01-02-2013, 01:54 PM Thread Starter
Turn and Burn!
 
KoC-BlocER1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: So Cal
Posts: 1,106
From what I have read..it appears wheels can save maybe 10-15lbs. That's not bad.
KoC-BlocER1 is online now  
post #19 of 126 (permalink) Old 01-02-2013, 01:54 PM
kickin' at the darkness
 
bacchus40's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: British Columbia
Posts: 8,449
Quote:
Originally Posted by z064life View Post
Mag not Ti
oops.. must be drunk!! hahhaha...


2009 YZF-R1 xPlanker

DJ PCV, AT200 & POD300, Leo Vince EVOII SBK/ARROW SS HEADER, GRAVES STACKS & AIS, GYTR, ECUnleashed, SHORAI, YOYODYNE sc, HINSON bskt, EBC SRK, ASV clutch perch, RK520, JT 15T/44T, Lithtech chain adjust, ANNITORI RL
CLEVER WOLF CF, RIZOMA grips, APEX risers, CRG Arrows, GYTR seat, SHOGUN sliders, GBR covers, GYTR db, Watsens, 6000k HID, RACETECH springs, RACETECH G3-LD, OHLINs FPK, CL SBK5/RX3, HEL SS lines, Accossato Radial 19x18,
bacchus40 is offline  
post #20 of 126 (permalink) Old 01-02-2013, 01:54 PM
R1 Forum Star
 
z064life's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 16,137
Quote:
Originally Posted by KoC-BlocER1 View Post
Yeah, I'm trying to lose some weight and add better performance and feel. I replaced fork internals with Ohlins, rear Ohilns TTX and so far it feels pretty good. I have braided lines coming in and already have more aggresive pads than stock, that's it for the brake section.
Good points on the rims. I have already done a 520 DID conversion last year and don't want to have to redo anything by adding new rims. I am just hoping to buy them and bearing, slap-on my sprocket and go.

It's not a track bike, but maybe in a few more years it will be. I do have GYTR slipons, and plan to do a full system maybe next year. The next 3 things I plan are: RIMS, Brakes and PIPE. Just unsure it what order. By this time next year I plan to have all 3 done. No matter what you do..its a lot of $$$
You'll need a different rear sprocket for most. pattern is different than yamaha stock

Hey Greenstreak, it's z064life lazy ass

Phantom Squadron XO - http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=50
z064life is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Yamaha R1 Forum: YZF-R1 Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome