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post #1 of 42 (permalink) Old 06-15-2017, 07:27 PM Thread Starter
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06 Yamaha r1 whining noise increases with throttle Help

Just as the title says I have a 2006 r1 that makes a whining noise when I rev the throttle and before anyone says this is normal for yamhas let me say I've had three 04 to 06 yamahas and this isn't normal. The bike has 30k miles on it and I have checked stator and rotor all is in good shape no pieces broken or magnets off, I pulled the clutch which looks absolutely amazing honestly looks brand new, I pulled the timing cover and didn't see or feel anything out of whack. Please help me this is killing me.

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Also forgot to mention I was thinking this was the roto/stator bearings but they are intact and spin freely. Can they still make this noise with them still intact and spinning? Also could this be timing chain guides?
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Please someone give me something to tear down?! lol I took it by the dealership and the techs listened to it and said it's not normal but couldn't really tell me anything other than to check the stator/rotor and the clutch. I want to ride her but I don't want to cause any damage. I definitely don't want to take it to the Yamaha shop to diagnose since they're just going to waste $90 hours doing what I've already done because they don't have a clue
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I'd do the screwdriver test to try and isolate it. Get a long screwdriver, put it to your ear and probe around to see where it's coming from.

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can you post an audio file of the noise?


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post #7 of 42 (permalink) Old 06-16-2017, 02:48 AM
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Bearings spinning and being intact means nothing other than they are there. I would replace inner and outer rotor bearings at that mileage or could use a set anyway.
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I agree I'm thinking inner and outer bearings. I've used a mechanic stethoscope but it sounds about the same on the timing chain side as it does where the stator is. I'm having trouble finding these bearings online does anyone know the part numbers and how in the hell do you get the inner bearing out?
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Does anyone know where I can find the Orr numbers for the inner and outer rotor bearings and a good write up or someone that has done this? That inner looks like it's going to be a pain in the ass
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I know it's a old bike and I understand but it is there a better venue for discussing these older machines and their problems like another forum
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It's not an old bike. You could try the UK R1 forum - yamahar.co.uk



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I know it's a old bike and I understand but it is there a better venue for discussing these older machines and their problems like another forum
Surely there is some kind of bearing puller for this inner bearing. I've heard many say they have replaced them.
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Surely there is some kind of bearing puller for this inner bearing. I've heard many say they have replaced them.
Well I'm sure there is too but I can't even find the part numbers anywhere much less the efficient puller with the right head on it lol
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can you post an audio file of the noise?
Is the YouTube video not sufficient? I will try to make just audio tomorrow I have to put some things back on the bike
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Bearings spinning and being intact means nothing other than they are there. I would replace inner and outer rotor bearings at that mileage or could use a set anyway.
So you're saying if a bearing is intact, spins smoothly with no hesitation or grabbing it can still make this noise? Also could this be a transmission bearing?
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It may be possible I have found the issue but I'm still in doubt. In the photo below you can see that a few of the magnets are loose. I pulled the stator again to reinspect the stator and bearings. I noticed some of the epoxy around some of the magnets was minimal and realized I can move these magnets backwards but they are still intact. Is there any kind of epoxy you would reccomend to reattach these to the rotor?
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There is a thread on this forum that was being discussed within the last month where a guy re epoxies his magnets. I myself am pulling my rotor and getting the updated rotor with the magnets that are not exposed. It is a 400 dollar part but well worth knowing my engine isn't going to eat magnets. Those magnets being loose like you say is another bit of evidence you probably need bearings. Once the used bearings get just a tad of unnoticeable slop in them it leads to a vibration that causes the magnets to come loose and grenade your engine. Either epoxy really good or in my opinion get the updated part and bearings. I have my stock rotor with 815 miles on my bike and would be glad to sell it for 200 bucks. Save someone 200 bucks if they are willing to use a super low mileage rotor.
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I'd do the screwdriver test to try and isolate it. Get a long screwdriver, put it to your ear and probe around to see where it's coming from.

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It may be possible I have found the issue but I'm still in doubt. In the photo below you can see that a few of the magnets are loose. I pulled the stator again to reinspect the stator and bearings. I noticed some of the epoxy around some of the magnets was minimal and realized I can move these magnets backwards but they are still intact. Is there any kind of epoxy you would reccomend to reattach these to the rotor?

A link to the bearings you need. Trust me. Don't do this job without replacing those bearings.
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Here is a re epoxy link. Search is your friend. Anytime I get a new model I search for any info of any issues.

HOW TO: 04-06 R1 Stock Rotor Assembly Rebuild
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