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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old 06-13-2011, 09:41 PM Thread Starter
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New to Yamaha 04-06 Vs. 07-08 differences?

I am looking to buy another sport bike after selling mine at the end of last summer except I am looking to buy a yamaha. I have been riding honda my whole life on the street and dirt with the exception of a YZ 250F dirt bike I had a while back, but now I am seriously considering an R1.

I am torn between two different bikes, one is an '07 R1 with about 4500 miles and is asking $7k obo and is immaculate with a few cosmetic mods. The other is an '05 R1 w/ 10k miles and is asking $6500 obo with a few more mods on it like some tasteful LED accents, angel eyes, PC3, exhaust etc.

I am interested in the differences between these two generations since I am totally new to yamaha. Anything on the '07 that just blows the '05 out of the water? Steering dampener stock? Slipper clutch stock? better suspension? Any known issues with either of these bikes that would make me want to avoid them? Thanks for the input.
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Honestly your looking at a $500 difference for a bike that is 2 years newer... Although he has some more mods on the 05, those can always be added later from you. I have an 04', which I love but "usually" and I say usually, each company makes the next years bike better

Plus you'll enjoy working on your bike yourself and installing all of those mods I'm currently installing the angel eyes and the HID kit on my bike and I'm loving the experience of adding on my own mods

Differences in the bikes your looking at as of mods:
power commander 3: $249
Exhaust: Depends on full or slip on.... (still pricey though)
Angel eyes: $40 for 4 rings at kryptonbulbs.com and H7 HID lights for $50 each set
Color: Are they the same color, which color do you prefer (costly to change the color lol)
Miles: 5,500 (doesn't matter as long as bike was taken care of)

Total difference of $ in mods: $389+(exhaust)

for the actual difference from yamaha, just use the search tool in forum under form tools
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Honestly your looking at a $500 difference for a bike that is 2 years newer... Although he has some more mods on the 05, those can always be added later from you. I have an 04', which I love but "usually" and I say usually, each company makes the next years bike better

Plus you'll enjoy working on your bike yourself and installing all of those mods I'm currently installing the angel eyes and the HID kit on my bike and I'm loving the experience of adding on my own mods

Differences in the bikes your looking at as of mods:
power commander 3: $249
Exhaust: Depends on full or slip on.... (still pricey though)
Angel eyes: $40 for 4 rings at kryptonbulbs.com and H7 HID lights for $50 each set
Color: Are they the same color, which color do you prefer (costly to change the color lol)
Miles: 5,500 (doesn't matter as long as bike was taken care of)

Total difference of $ in mods: $389+(exhaust)

for the actual difference from yamaha, just use the search tool in forum under form tools
Thanks for the input. I already went through the pricing differences, and I am no stranger to modding bikes. I was looking more for what is different in terms of what comes stock from the factory those years? I am pretty unfamiliar with yamahas evolution over the years. I would also like to know about any known issues with those generations that might make me lean one way or another. For example in the honda world, in '09 they restricted all the emissions on their bikes due to new laws which cut power and added weight. Also, 600's did not get a steering dampener stock until '07. Those are the kind of things Im looking for. Thanks.
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07 has a totally different motor 4 valves per cylinder, slipper clutch, fbw, 6 piston front calipers. 07-08 is the fastest R1 in the stock form. The 07's have the computer issue that yamaha fixes for free. The 04-06 has less electronics. 4 piston calipers, 5 valves per cylinder and is lighter.

Both are great bikes. I don't really care about the differences. I ride 2006 R1.

If you do a search there is a thread that explains all of the differences in detail.


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Someone asked pretty much the same question last week. Having owned both an 06(which holds a HUGE place in my heart) and now an 08 R1. This is my personal opinion and response on the 2 bikes:

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Honestly I've owned both a 06 R1 and now a 08 R1 and I must say that the 08 R1 to me definitely was a lot better on the low end power grunt. To me the 08 is a slightly refined 06. Yamaha fixed the low end lack of power on the 5 valve motors of the 04-06. I absolutely adore my 08. I really loved my 06 R1 that I had for 13,000 miles. If you're just looking at low end power then you're friend was truly WRONG! He probably had the 04-06 geared vs the newer model not being geared. That'll definitely make the power feel a lot different. Stock for stock my 08 is faster down low and even up top!

Hope this helps.
I'd personally grab the immaculate 07 R1 if it was me.
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What about this "computer issue" on the '07's? Does it affect every single bike or is it random? Does Yamaha fix it for free?
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When I was looking at 07-8's (ended up with an 08 so it didn't matter) the 07 computer problem was pretty random, but easily identified. You usually had to talk to a few different people to get the computer swapped for free. It requires more than a reflash.

It is a known issue, but the rinky dink service departments at most dealerships are not in the know.

There is a lag/stumble around....4k? not sure, do a search there are 40-50 threads on this matter.
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All 07's had a glitch with the ECU. It is not random and fairly easy to reproduce. Lag occurs in 2nd gear at around 5,500 RPM. Bike needs to be steady at that RPM for a bit and then roll on the gas. If it has not been updates the bike will do almost nothing for a second or so and then start to accelerate as intended. That second or so lag is the issue in question.
If the original ECU was not replaced already, Yamaha will do it free of charge. 15 minute "ordeal" and a great bike there after.

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07 has a totally different motor 4 valves per cylinder, slipper clutch, fbw, 6 piston front calipers. 07-08 is the lightest and fastest R1 in the stock form. The 07's have the computer issue that yamaha fixes for free. The 04-06 has less electronics. 4 piston calipers, 5 valves per cylinder.

Both are great bikes. I don't really care about the differences. I ride 2006 R1.

If you do a search there is a thread that explains all of the differences in detail.
Everything you said was correct except the weight. The 07-08s weigh a tad more than the 40-06 models. But they definitely make up for it. I think the 07-08 rides a little smoother than the 04-06.
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04-06 Looks better, that's all that matters.
That's very debateable!!! Well unless you just compare the 05-06 Ravens or the 06 LE to all the other R1s. lol
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04-06 Looks better,in the rear view mirror, that's all that matters.
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That's very debateable!!! Well unless you just compare the 05-06 Ravens or the 06 LE to all the other R1s. lol
Well I shouldn't talk much as I'm converting the tail on mine to an 07-08.




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Everything you said was correct except the weight. The 07-08s weigh a tad more than the 40-06 models. But they definitely make up for it. I think the 07-08 rides a little smoother than the 04-06.
My mistake. You are correct. Not sure where I got that info. The 04-06 are about 9lb lighter than 07-08.

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Well I shouldn't talk much as I'm converting the tail on mine to an 07-08.

Whatt!! I hate the small diamond ;( 04-06 ) tail looks sickk doesn't it?
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Whatt!! I hate the small diamond ;( 04-06 ) tail looks sickk doesn't it?
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What year is that? And are you talking about your bike lol or the tail?
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