Feedback needed on '12 vs '08 R1. - Yamaha R1 Forum: YZF-R1 Forums
General Motorcycle Discussions Any general discussions related to Motorcycles goes in here.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 148 (permalink) Old 11-18-2012, 06:45 PM Thread Starter
Just Me.
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 60
Feedback needed on '12 vs '08 R1.

I stopped into the dealer the other day just help me ease the addiction. Just had to see them in person. I could've walked out with a fresh bike, but didn't. It's winter, and I'm patient. Enough, small talk.

I began talking with the sales woman as she's aware of my situation, and I can get my bike anytime. I informed her of the mint condition '08 that I'm looking at, and she began telling me how the cross plane is so much better in every regard. Sales ploy? Possibly.

On black and white, the data suggest that the '08 has more power, more torque, and they are about equal in weight. With this information, can someone please enlighten me about these two. If a weekend veteran rider was to take both bikes on the track, an '12 R1 and an '08, which one would surface as the winner (clearly opinions will vary)?
StraightSuccess is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 148 (permalink) Old 11-18-2012, 06:48 PM
R1 Forum Star
 
z064life's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 16,137
1) Flash the 12 and remove the stock restrictions and then compare.

2) the xplane has more "useable" power...better low/mid range than the '08

Which one will surface as the winner will depend on who is sitting on each bike

Hey Greenstreak, it's z064life lazy ass

Phantom Squadron XO - http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/50-r1-012-%60phantom-squadron%60/
z064life is offline  
post #3 of 148 (permalink) Old 11-18-2012, 06:54 PM Thread Starter
Just Me.
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 60
Greatly appreciate the feedback, but I think you missed the last sentence.
StraightSuccess is offline  
post #4 of 148 (permalink) Old 11-18-2012, 06:55 PM
R1 Forum Star
 
z064life's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 16,137
Quote:
Originally Posted by StraightSuccess View Post
Greatly appreciate the feedback, but I think you missed the last sentence.
No I didn't....style of rider will make a difference on which bike works better

Hey Greenstreak, it's z064life lazy ass

Phantom Squadron XO - http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=50
z064life is offline  
post #5 of 148 (permalink) Old 11-18-2012, 07:42 PM
Venom X/O
 
Gearheaded's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 21,534
Both are great bikes. Both are much faster than you can utilize



Whoody whoody woo!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skeeter View Post
You pecker head....
R1-016 Venom Squad
Gearheaded is offline  
post #6 of 148 (permalink) Old 11-18-2012, 08:02 PM Thread Starter
Just Me.
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 60
... comfort opinions between the two?
StraightSuccess is offline  
post #7 of 148 (permalink) Old 11-18-2012, 08:08 PM
R1 Forum Star
 
z064life's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 16,137
Quote:
Originally Posted by StraightSuccess View Post
... comfort opinions between the two?
it is a litre sportbike....comfort isn't what either are made for

Hey Greenstreak, it's z064life lazy ass

Phantom Squadron XO - http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=50
z064life is offline  
post #8 of 148 (permalink) Old 11-18-2012, 08:30 PM
The Lead Farmer
 
Meister37's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Indy area
Posts: 25,286
Quote:
Originally Posted by StraightSuccess View Post
I stopped into the dealer the other day just help me ease the addiction. Just had to see them in person. I could've walked out with a fresh bike, but didn't. It's winter, and I'm patient. Enough, small talk.

I began talking with the sales woman as she's aware of my situation, and I can get my bike anytime. I informed her of the mint condition '08 that I'm looking at, and she began telling me how the cross plane is so much better in every regard. Sales ploy? Possibly.

On black and white, the data suggest that the '08 has more power, more torque, and they are about equal in weight. With this information, can someone please enlighten me about these two. If a weekend veteran rider was to take both bikes on the track, an '12 R1 and an '08, which one would surface as the winner (clearly opinions will vary)?
Looks is another thing to consider. They look nothing alike.

Quote:
Originally Posted by z064life View Post
1) Flash the 12 and remove the stock restrictions and then compare.

2) the xplane has more "useable" power...better low/mid range than the '08

Which one will surface as the winner will depend on who is sitting on each bike
Very true, the 09+ will have more adaptability in the long run as the bike is still current in model for most options. The 08 will be faster in stock form than any 09+ on any track I can think of. It has the best stock suspension of any liter bike minus SE's. 12 has TC, so that's an advantage.

Quote:
Originally Posted by z064life View Post
it is a litre sportbike....comfort isn't what either are made for
Yep, they are different, not better either way.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fikays View Post
Kirk is a total dick.
Meister37 is offline  
post #9 of 148 (permalink) Old 11-18-2012, 11:56 PM
I eat my R1
 
Yam M1R's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Baltimore,MD
Posts: 195
The '08 have more power but the '12 handeling, suspension brakes r a lot better. I found myself with much more speed in corners on the '12 then '08 track or street. Some people complain about the throttle but I love it.different from night to day for me. All my friends that had a '08 love the '12 & 11 !! If you look at stock power with out adding mods then keep Ur '08 don't get me wrong nothing wrong with the '08. But I have much more fun on the '09+ Oh!! I'm not big on traction control but I like this one on the '12 !!!

from my PC36100 using Motorcycle.com Free App
Yam M1R is offline  
post #10 of 148 (permalink) Old 11-19-2012, 12:37 AM
Herro!
 
SakiBomb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: SoCal
Posts: 2,570
^Preeeeetty sure the 07/08 suspension is better than 09+...
SakiBomb is offline  
post #11 of 148 (permalink) Old 11-19-2012, 01:29 AM
I eat my R1
 
Yam M1R's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Baltimore,MD
Posts: 195
you could be right on 09 because the 1 I road on the track had upgrade suspension work done

Sent from my PC36100 using Motorcycle.com Free App
Yam M1R is offline  
post #12 of 148 (permalink) Old 11-19-2012, 01:29 AM
I eat my R1
 
daviboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 131
I own an 09 with flash, 3/4 exhaust, filter and it is a blast to ride. I am now so used to it that when I jumped on my mates 07 (identical to 08s I think) it felt like a toy.

I think the 09 is slightly heavier, so the 07 felt like my old r6. And in my opinion felt like a slug, power was really high in the rev range and I didn't like it one bit compared to mine. The 07 just had Yoshi slip ons.

Overall I prefer the 09+, but if it had the weight of the 07 would be perfect.

When my mate rode mine, he said my bike is scary to ride compared to the 07. Violent power delivery.
That's my experience.
daviboy is offline  
post #13 of 148 (permalink) Old 11-19-2012, 01:35 AM
I eat my R1
 
cheong1106's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Singapore
Posts: 137
Crossplane engine is silky smooth above 4.5k

Flash it and fwah... beastly

Cornering stability is brilliant

Can get on the gas earlier (faster laps will result)

TC is outstandingly smooth

FYI. Have a video of S1K chasing me and I pulled away on straight / kept the gap.
Flashed ECU, decat, Leo Vince slipons, K&N filter, PC V + AT.

Top Speed I hit was same / slightly more than S1K friends on back straight at track. Similar lap time riders.





Sent from my GT-N7105 using Motorcycle.com Free App
cheong1106 is offline  
post #14 of 148 (permalink) Old 11-19-2012, 01:41 AM
I eat my R1
 
daviboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 131
Quote:
Originally Posted by cheong1106 View Post
Crossplane engine is silky smooth above 4.5k

Flash it and fwah... beastly

Cornering stability is brilliant

Can get on the gas earlier (faster laps will result)

TC is outstandingly smooth

FYI. Have a video of S1K chasing me and I pulled away on straight / kept the gap.
Flashed ECU, decat, Leo Vince slipons, K&N filter, PC V + AT.

Top Speed I hit was same / slightly more than S1K friends on back straight at track. Similar lap time riders.





Sent from my GT-N7105 using Motorcycle.com Free App
Upload video, would love to rub it in the faces of S1k owners that think there bike is the best thing since sliced bread.
daviboy is offline  
post #15 of 148 (permalink) Old 11-19-2012, 02:02 AM
I eat my R1
 
cheong1106's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Singapore
Posts: 137
Quote:
Originally Posted by daviboy View Post
Upload video, would love to rub it in the faces of S1k owners that think there bike is the best thing since sliced bread.
Its on FACEBOOK. My friend posted it. I shared it on my timeline and will try to make it public. Soon Cheong Rex Tan is my fb.

I had bad day at track that day. Was 3 seconds off my pace. Testing some stuff. Ended up braking early and lines were bad. Anyways bottom line is the acceleration of R1 is not bad at all.

At the last part of vid. I screwed up the turn and ran wide. Even then I was keeping pace with him and I saw his wheel so I closed throttle to let him pass


Sent from my GT-N7105 using Motorcycle.com Free App
cheong1106 is offline  
post #16 of 148 (permalink) Old 11-19-2012, 02:03 AM
I eat my R1
 
Mad Matt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: England
Posts: 314
Quote:
Originally Posted by daviboy View Post
Upload video, would love to rub it in the faces of S1k owners that think there bike is the best thing since sliced bread.
Hell yeah, would love to see that....
Mad Matt is offline  
post #17 of 148 (permalink) Old 11-19-2012, 04:05 AM
The Lead Farmer
 
Meister37's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Indy area
Posts: 25,286
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yam M1R View Post
The '08 have more power but the '12 handeling, suspension brakes r a lot better. I found myself with much more speed in corners on the '12 then '08 track or street. Some people complain about the throttle but I love it.different from night to day for me. All my friends that had a '08 love the '12 & 11 !! If you look at stock power with out adding mods then keep Ur '08 don't get me wrong nothing wrong with the '08. But I have much more fun on the '09+ Oh!! I'm not big on traction control but I like this one on the '12 !!!

from my PC36100 using Motorcycle.com Free App
Sorry bro, they have EXACTLY the same brakes. The 09 has a better designed suspension, they just messed up the components when they built it. Springs are way too soft unless you weigh 120 lbs.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fikays View Post
Kirk is a total dick.
Meister37 is offline  
post #18 of 148 (permalink) Old 11-19-2012, 04:36 AM
[ Premium Member ]
 
Jacobien's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: South Africa
Posts: 80
I have the 07, never ridden the 09+. But I can tell you this from reviews and real life tests done by MCN and Sportrider:

1) The 07 is slightly lighter, due mainly to environmentally friendly additions made to later bikes.
2) If you flash the ECU on the 09+, it has the same top end rush as the 07. I have seen dyno sheets of 07 and 09+ models and increases in HP after a flash on the 07 is not nearly as much as on the 09+
3) The 07 has the better stock suspension bits
4) Aftermarket pipes (for me anyway) on the 07 do somehow not compliment the lines of the bike, but on the 09+ I feel that the aftermarket suppliers really made more effort in this regard

In conclusion - buy the bike that you prefer in terms of looks

Keep it real...
______________________________________________
Jacobien is offline  
post #19 of 148 (permalink) Old 11-19-2012, 06:19 AM Thread Starter
Just Me.
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 60
This is very good to hear. Basically, I can get an '08, and stock for stock can battle it out with a '12. That's what I'm looking for. Although the '12s are growing on me, I still think the '08 is the best bike created IMO. The '12s are still new and the '13s are the same, so this gives me time to upgrade later if need be.
StraightSuccess is offline  
post #20 of 148 (permalink) Old 11-19-2012, 06:21 AM
R1 Forum Star
 
z064life's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 16,137
Quote:
Originally Posted by StraightSuccess View Post
This is very good to hear. Basically, I can get an '08, and stock for stock can battle it out with a '12. That's what I'm looking for. Although the '12s are growing on me, I still think the '08 is the best bike created IMO. The '12s are still new and the '13s are the same, so this gives me time to upgrade later if need be.
:secret

Not many bikes are left stock, so comparing stock for stock isn't going to do you much

Hey Greenstreak, it's z064life lazy ass

Phantom Squadron XO - http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=50
z064life is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Yamaha R1 Forum: YZF-R1 Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome