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post #1 of 30 (permalink) Old 06-15-2017, 08:27 AM Thread Starter
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Looks like the Honda hype might be real


I know there was a lot of nay sayers about the MCN review crowning the CBR king but the majority of these guys are placing it higher than everything except the Ape so there might be some truth to this no? or is the world really that corrupt lol

I dont know about yall but that buell looks so dated with the round front and the 2 pipe into 1 silencer
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Saw this and still some picked the ebr in their top 3, I want one


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Very interesting comparison, thanks for posting it. I like the fact they used many different riders and that they have different bike preferences due to their size and weight. I knew the R1 would come up short in the comfort department, as I'm also having trouble adjusting to it (which is due to my body type). Dropping the rear an inch already made a world of difference. I'll see what else I can do to make it work for me.

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Ive been following Guy Martin and for a Honda sponsored rider hes not sugar coating the false neutral issue lol I wonder if this is a known issue for the 2017 cbrs?

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OK, when is the track comparison coming out?


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The aprilia would be in my garage already if I wasn't so gun shy on its mechanic reliability. I just can't go back to the machine being broke all the time. I was going to get the Honda this year but the early reviews said the traction control wheelie control sucked so I'll pass till they fix that. Not worth trading my R1 in for worse performance imo
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The aprilia would be in my garage already if I wasn't so gun shy on its mechanic reliability. I just can't go back to the machine being broke all the time. I was going to get the Honda this year but the early reviews said the traction control wheelie control sucked so I'll pass till they fix that. Not worth trading my R1 in for worse performance imo
I've been gun shy of Hondas since my oil-burner of a 2008 killed its engine w/12,000 miles on the clock. Crappy valve seats straight from the factory. Yeah, I bought a lemon.
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I've been gun shy of Hondas since my oil-burner of a 2008 killed its engine w/12,000 miles on the clock. Crappy valve seats straight from the factory. Yeah, I bought a lemon.
You were not the only one. There were many more...lol
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You know, you guys really scare me with your engine-killing stories. I'd be absolutely HORRIFIED if something like that happened to my R1, seriously! I have 2 left hands when it comes to anything mechanical, so that makes it even worse if anything even remotely complicated happens to break down. Thankfully I have a good friend (who is a mechanic by trade) to help me out.

It's a shame about the Honda reliability, but I'm hopeful they'll improve their quality. Over here we only have one bike dealer (Yamaha), the next one is supposed to come online this year and guess what...it's a Honda dealer. So we already have a very limited choice among bikes, the last thing we need is an unreliable manufacturer. We used to have a big Harley dealer, but it went bankrupt about 8 years or so ago. I guess they couldn't keep them running long enough and their customers just got fed up and took off...

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Interesting. The Honda has come last in the 2 UK comparisons I've read (Bike and Performance Bike). One was street and track, the other track. And the winner in both was the Gixxer. Neither test included any Italian bikes.

The main gripes with the Honda were inconsistent throttle response, poor ABS on the track, and not enough power.

Both comparisons had the bikes in exactly the same order - Gixxer, RR, R1 and Blade. One mag included the ZX10R at 4th.
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Ive been following Guy Martin and for a Honda sponsored rider hes not sugar coating the false neutral issue lol I wonder if this is a known issue for the 2017 cbrs?
It is now! They had the onboard of the crash in the TT coverage complete with audio of a box full of neutrals and I expect it's all over YouTube. Then there was the McGuinness crash at the NW200. Now this guy just doesn't crash and said it felt like the throttle stuck. Honda said they couldn't download the data afterwards, but they changed from the kit ECU to a Motec for the TT!

Then to rub salt in, a Gixxer won the Senior TT. Not a good month for Honda, and I doubt they'll be selling many new Blades in the UK.!
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I wish they would put Dunlop on the r1 for a tt senior win. Yamaha didn't have any of the top riders on the r1.
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I wish they would put Dunlop on the r1 for a tt senior win. Yamaha didn't have any of the top riders on the r1.
They did, 2 years ago. He was so unimpressed with the bike that he walked out during practice week and did the races on the BMW's he'd ridden the previous year.

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I like to read about this, I'm wondering what it was that he did not like about the bike.
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I would pick the Beemer. But I'm a bit biased.
I'd love to test the new Honda. I enjoyed my '08 CBR10000RR. Mine never used a drop of oil in 13,000+ miles.

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I like to read about this, I'm wondering what it was that he did not like about the bike.
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The Fireblade's throttle is dismal and is the reason it was placed so low in the UK camparos. The fact that the aforementioned review claim the FireBlade's throttle is smooth unlike the Yamaha's (which happens to be the exact opposite) is what grinds my gears about that overtly bias review.
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I've been following this on the CBR forums ( 1000rr.net ) and I have money down / ordered a SP2 .. I should receive it this fall.

The problem with the honda is that it came out during race season. No winter testing. All the testing is being done on the track. For the street, it should be fine - under powered without a flash but fine. I would expect some software updates for 2018. Some of the racers are junking the OEM quick shifter and going aftermarket. I would expect the CBR 1000 to have a few recalls before it's all said and done. .. The R1 had a significant motor recall it's first year. Heck my 99 had a transmission recall it's first year. Lock up on me on the back roads with less than 1700 miles on her. Par the course -- bike quality isn't what it used to be.

in terms of rider impressions .. unless it's flashed and someone spends time on the suspension setting up the bike - I wouldn't worry about it .. they are so close for the street off the showroom floor -- get what fits good and looks good
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Very interesting comparison, thanks for posting it. I like the fact they used many different riders and that they have different bike preferences due to their size and weight. I knew the R1 would come up short in the comfort department, as I'm also having trouble adjusting to it (which is due to my body type). Dropping the rear an inch already made a world of difference. I'll see what else I can do to make it work for me.

I tippy toe like crazy on mine but LOVE the legroom. I had an 08 CBR 1000 and my short (30.5/31.0 inseam) legs were CRAMPED all the time.
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