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post #1 of 433 (permalink) Old 06-11-2002, 11:28 AM Thread Starter
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How to do stand-up wheelies

Well...now that we have this section, guess I better start using it.

I'm currently working on 2nd gear stand-ups. I have found the fountain of adrenaline...

<<Balance Point>>

Problem is I can't keep it. I think what I do is while maintaining the balance, I'll give a little too much gas. This causes me to roll off a bit. But I'll roll off a little too much and have to gas it again to come back to the balance point. This is what is causing me to speed up. I know what the problem is, it's just a matter of practice and getting better throttle control. Making more minute adjustments to stop me from speeding up during the wheelie.

I think once I can control this, I'll be able to break the 1 mile barrier, which is my goal right now. I'm probably doing about 1/4 to 1/2 mile stand-ups right now. I want to keep my speed around 80mph indicated. Once I start getting above 85 my rear wheel wants to dance around. If can keep that balance point, then I should be able to control the speed, thus have a controlled stand-up w/ minimal back wheel two-stepping.

Share your thoughts. Any tips are welcome. Can you wheelie for a mile+? Let's see some video.

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have you thought about using your rear break a little when you have to balance it again? Until you get to the point were you don't have to keep finding the balance point, hoover over the break and GENTLY tap it to slow yourself down. Thats how I learned
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It's a good idea, but I don't see me having my foot in the right position. I ususally ride stand-ups near the balls of my feet. I could try and re-position my feet to cover the rear brake I suppose. I think my real problem is just throttle control and feel. I should be able to control the speed with the throttle alone, with some more practice. I don't really go out to practice wheelies, it just happens when I'm out riding and I have some room to work with (long road, minimal traffic). So my progress takes some time, which I think is a good thing. That way I'm not trying too much too soon.

Thanks for the reply Wetpavement. Got any video on your website of some good wheelies?

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I've started trying some 2nd gear wheelies, I tried to do wheelies on 1st gear with the r1 and it just comes up way too fast for my taste and i feel like if i give it too much gas i'll just flip the sucker in a heart beat. I tried some 2nd gear bounce ups and it came up a LOT slower and smoother, still trying to get the thing high. I bounce and tug and throttle at 50mph and jerk the throttle 2k rpms higher and it comes up but not a hell of a lot.

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I bounce and tug and throttle at 50mph and jerk the throttle 2k rpms higher and it comes up but not a hell of a lot.
I can't stress enough about timing. I find for me that the rpm's are key. It comes up real easy using the bounce method when the rpm's are a little less than 7000 in 2nd gear. That should put your speed in the upper 60's maybe. So try starting the wheelie going a little faster.

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Thanks for the reply Wetpavement. Got any video on your website of some good wheelies?
Just keep practicing brutha! You'll get it!

As for video, don't know why the hell we havn't thought of that! hahaha I'll check to see if we can get some up. OLX is currently in the process of putting out a full length video! Bet you ass it'll be posted here upon completion. I'll get back to you about the teasers!
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I like you EARL, you are as honest as they come. No bullshit. I like that.

I will tell you this, and take it for what it's worth.

At 80mph in second you are turning some good rpm, and the motor has alot of leverage on the tire in second. It is a bit easier to balance in 3rd at 70-80 than in second. You have to be alot smaller on the throttle in second than in third. Just a thought.

The higher up you are the more the bike wobbles from side to side it would seem. When your wheelieing with the front tire only 2 foot off of the ground you are accelerating so hard the bike goes nice and straight. the higher you get the front wheel the less you will be accelerating and the more side to side wobbles. My opinion anyway. I have just now been able to ride a wheelie at the same speed, and I notice myself moving side to side on the bike more keeping it going straight.

You will not need the back brake on a 1000cc 4 cyl 11.8:1 compression motorcycle. Just letting off will bring you back down.

I know exactly what you mean by playing with the throttle causing you to speed up. I do the same thing. Some days I am in way more control of it than others. I have to just take a deep breath, and then get the wheel up and make myself hold the throttle UNTIL I NEED to let off. It easier said than done. You can safly go PAST the balance point and keep the bike wheelieing. thats how the good wheelie guys slow their bikes down. I try to keep reminding myself of this. It is the fear of going to far back and not being able to save it that keeps our hands rolling on and off the throttle.

I hope to meet up with you If I go back down to Dallas. I would love for you to show me some of the places to ride in Dallas. My last trip was not what I expected. I will show you what I know about wheelies and you can show me what you know. then we will both be able to wheelie better
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At 80mph in second you are turning some good rpm, and the motor has alot of leverage on the tire in second. It is a bit easier to balance in 3rd at 70-80 than in second. You have to be alot smaller on the throttle in second than in third. Just a thought.
You know I was thinking the same thing, but can I get the wheel up at that low speed is the question. I haven't tried any 3rd gear wheelies yet. I wanted to get skillful in 2nd gear before I move onto 3rd. Guess I'll give 3rd a shot next time I'm out. 2nd gear has been getting up for me much easier lately, as my timing gets better. Maybe 3rd won't be as hard as I'm thinking. We'll give it a go anyhow.

Thanks for the props btw; sorry I couldn't be here for the Speedzone thing. Let me know if you'll be anywhere near Dallas for any reason. Gotta see one of those high chair wheelies my man!

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I will tell you this, and take it for what it's worth.

At 80mph in second you are turning some good rpm, and the motor has alot of leverage on the tire in second. It is a bit easier to balance in 3rd at 70-80 than in second. You have to be alot smaller on the throttle in second than in third. Just a thought.

I understand what you are saying about this, but how fast are you going when you bring it up? And also, I'm assuming that you are bouncing it, is that right? I find when I bring it up in 3rd that I'm doing about 80 to begin with and I wind up speeding up in the processes of bringing up to the balance point. Did you regear to help you bring it up a little earlier?
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I clutch up every wheelie. I like clutching better than bouncing. I learned to do standup by bouncing, and then learned to clutch it. Once you learn to clutch it you will do it that way every time.

I do not like to bounce a wheelie because to get it up you have to give it full throttle and the the accerleration of the bike bring the front end up. When that happens you are starting out a wheelie accelerating making it way harder to balance, not to mention you are using up RPM in that gear that you could be using to ride the wheelie.

No question about it, clutching it up is hard on the bike. But I bought my bike as a toy not a daily transportation so I dont get to excited if it won't last 200k miles.

From 30mph to about 45mph I clutch it up in second, above that I use third, and I go a gear higher when I am on the rear pegs.

I have one tooth less on the front sprocket, still factory chain and rear sprocket at the 18,900 mile mark. They all need changing. I can do the same thing on a stock R1. Actually it's easier in a way on a stock R1 as my bike does not have the EXUP and runs like hell below 4k rpm.

I do the same thing on the 600's I have ridden, though with my roomates F4I I have to give it a serious tug at 70mph in 3rd to get it up high enough to balance it.

I always want to get the bike up as quickly as possible, gives me more time and rpm to get it balanced. I cannot balance every wheelie, hell some days my wheelies are shit...lol

I will E-Mail you when ever we come back down EARL. BTW do you know Patric? He rides a yellow (or red) 929? He is the guy to watch. He is amazing. He is coming up to OKC for a stunt show at a low rider car and truck show called Lower Level. It is June 22nd. I will be there.
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BTW do you know Patric? He rides a yellow (or red) 929? He is the guy to watch. He is amazing.
Patrick Stephens I presume. Yeah he's on another level. I don't know him, but I know of him. He was out at one of the meets about a month or so ago doing 12 o'clock wheelies and throwing sparks like it was the 4th of July. He's a lot of fun to watch. I believe that's him on the sportbikehype.com home page. I see that they are going to have a show on KSTR here in Dallas. Curious as to what that's all about.

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I like to bounce up a second gear standup at 36mph. By the time you hit the balance point you are only going about 60mph. As long as you are not heavy handed with your throttle, you should be able to ride it out a long way. It does feel pretty spooky, but if you can just tell yourself to keep gassing it you will find out that a twelve o'clock wheelie is not that hard...Practice, practice, practice...

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not trying to be smartass or anything but are there any other wheelies besides stand-up wheelies?

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Sit down wheelies, high chair wheelies, tank wheelies, sidesaddle wheelies, rear peg wheelies, knee in the seat wheelies, superman wheelies,frog wheelies,....and lots of variations to all of them.

Too bad I do not know how to do a wheelie
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Too bad I do not know how to do a wheelie

Bahahaha!!! LAMO!!!

Get serious already Jay....smart ass!! (j/k)

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hey are there going to be a lot of bikes at that show stunting or what? If so me and some guys will definitely come up from Lawton. We could hook up and ride and do some wild stuff!

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Yes you are correct Earl that is Patrick on sportbikehype.com. And yes Jay Patrick is the man especialy on wheelies he can do them all with style. But now he rides a red and black 929. And of course his yellow 600 stunt practice bike or toy as he uses it. And he always good with giving tips.

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I am not sure how many bike's will be there. Last year it was just me and Patric. It is not an organized stunt show, no stoppie contests or anything, they just let us go up and down the track a few time. We did a slowest 1/4 mile wheelie, Patric went 63 mph for a dead stop, I went 99...lmao The guy is off the HOOK. He was cool as hell to, no big ass attitude or anything. Just a cool guy to hand with. It is fun, there are lots of people there watching.

They will also have a bike show and a burnout contest. I have asked them to do the burnout contest last as it is damn hard to change tires on the bikes after you blow one...
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Has anyone with an 02 found the sweet spot yet because everytime I try It feels way to high and yet I'm still carrying some speed forward so I know that I haven't yet found nirvana

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