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post #181 of 390 (permalink) Old 11-15-2012, 02:11 PM
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Yeah, its a big purchase, and with some many different features and additons it's almost overwhelming. Most of the guys on here are right, I need to do more looking before jumping into it. I've read through so many different websites these past two days, just thinking about ar15s and 10s makes me nauseated. Lol
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Yeah, its a big purchase, and with some many different features and additons it's almost overwhelming. Most of the guys on here are right, I need to do more looking before jumping into it. I've read through so many different websites these past two days, just thinking about ar15s and 10s makes me nauseated. Lol
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I don't worry about it too much. I'm just more of a person to find the package I want and tweak some. I don't really like making a lot of changes, as it's more to do/fix/keep track of. I've paid attention some, and asked a few questions. But, I don't have a desire to put much money into it beyond the initial purchase. Same with the bolt action I'm going to pick up.

My interests are elsewhere, and I don't have the desire to go hog wild like some do on firearms.

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Yeah, its a big purchase, and with some many different features and additons it's almost overwhelming. Most of the guys on here are right, I need to do more looking before jumping into it. I've read through so many different websites these past two days, just thinking about ar15s and 10s makes me nauseated. Lol
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I don't worry about it too much. I'm just more of a person to find the package I want and tweak some. I don't really like making a lot of changes, as it's more to do/fix/keep track of. I've paid attention some, and asked a few questions. But, I don't have a desire to put much money into it beyond the initial purchase. Same with the bolt action I'm going to pick up.

My interests are elsewhere, and I don't have the desire to go hog wild like some do on firearms.
You also have to consider that the package products are going to be cheaper than putting one together. Sad truth. Fjorn has a decent setup in his link. It's really a nice weapon for the money.

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Does it ever end?? I just can't wait to find a good system, got to the range, and blast some holes in some paper.

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You also have to consider that the package products are going to be cheaper than putting one together. Sad truth. Fjorn has a decent setup in his link. It's really a nice weapon for the money.
I'll take a look at it tonight. I'm just happy the AR platform is customization, I guess this could be an never ending project, and keep changing things out.


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Does it ever end?? I just can't wait to find a good system, got to the range, and blast some holes in some paper.



I'll take a look at it tonight. I'm just happy the AR platform is customization, I guess this could be an never ending project, and keep changing things out.
You say you've got $3000, right? In that case, look at a Rock River Arms RRA-8 Mid-Length A4: http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.c...ategory_id=255 Notice everything it comes with, better than average, and upgradeable with all the options listed below in the drop down boxes. Overall, a great package for a quality gun with a great reputation.

If you are considering a 20" barrel, then look at the RRA-8 Predator HP: http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.c...ategory_id=402 Again, look at what it comes with, and the options listed below. It would be almost impossible to NOT find what you're looking for from Rock River Arms.

AND, you're not going to spend all of the $3K, so you'll have cash for P-mags, ammo, sling, case. You can't beat that for a customizable "package gun".

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I bought a Stag (left-handed) as my first AR type of gun. I love shooting it. I got $1100 in the gun, $1100 in optics and a couple hundred in other 'stuff' for it.

With Oasshat in office for another 4 years I'm looking to either buy or built an AR-10. From what I read you can go $1200-1400ish and get an Armalite or similar or go all out with a Rainier Arms, LMT or KAC for $2500+. OR you can build one that's real nice for $1500-2k. I'm still trying to figure out which to do.

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You also have to consider that the package products are going to be cheaper than putting one together. Sad truth. Fjorn has a decent setup in his link. It's really a nice weapon for the money.
Agreed. But, that's typical of most any packaged products now days. I thought about building, or having someone build one. But, I'd rather just pick up one that ready to shoot.

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Does it ever end?? I just can't wait to find a good system, got to the range, and blast some holes in some paper.
If that's all, just pick up a .22lr.


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It will be if you let it. Get one to your liking, then leave it. If you want a different setup, build another.

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You say you've got $3000, right? In that case, look at a Rock River Arms RRA-8 Mid-Length A4: http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.c...ategory_id=255 Notice everything it comes with, better than average, and upgradeable with all the options listed below in the drop down boxes. Overall, a great package for a quality gun with a great reputation.

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AND, you're not going to spend all of the $3K, so you'll have cash for P-mags, ammo, sling, case. You can't beat that for a customizable "package gun".
Wow, that actually seems like a good deal. That leaves plenty for me to get some optics, and furniture I want.

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Agreed. But, that's typical of most any packaged products now days. I thought about building, or having someone build one. But, I'd rather just pick up one that ready to shoot.



If that's all, just pick up a .22lr.




It will be if you let it. Get one to your liking, then leave it. If you want a different setup, build another.

Yeah, you're probably right. I'll just have to resist all temptation to buy new goodies for it once I've got it where I want it. I'm having that problem with my bike now, I keep hunting for more things to buy... I'll probably get the AR where I want it, and leave my bike as my money pit :/


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Wow, that actually seems like a good deal. That leaves plenty for me to get some optics, and furniture I want.




Yeah, you're probably right. I'll just have to resist all temptation to buy new goodies for it once I've got it where I want it. I'm having that problem with my bike now, I keep hunting for more things to buy... I'll probably get the AR where I want it, and leave my bike as my money pit :/
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Not to switch subjects, but have you seen this, Meister37?

http://forums.michiganopencarry.org/...p?topic=2163.0


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Not to switch subjects, but have you seen this, Meister37?

http://forums.michiganopencarry.org/...p?topic=2163.0
Score one for the people.

I've been OC'ing since July. The only incidents so far were one cop asked me who I work for (wtf?) Costco doesn't allow OC or CC unless you have a badge although they have no sign, and a McDonalds manager asked me (politely) not to bring it in any more. Other than that it's been pretty uneventful except for the occaisional curious question.

Still waiting for my CC permit.


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Score one for the people.

I've been OC'ing since July. The only incidents so far were one cop asked me who I work for (wtf?) Costco doesn't allow OC or CC unless you have a badge although they have no sign, and a McDonalds manager asked me (politely) not to bring it in any more. Other than that it's been pretty uneventful except for the occaisional curious question.

Still waiting for my CC permit.
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Yes, I saw it a while ago on INGO

I'm not an open carry advocate. I personally don't and won't tell others to do it. IMO it's not civilized and takes away the element of choice and surprise.

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On the subject of Open Carry, it is a hotly debated subject in Alabama, mostly because the law is confusing, and I think secondly because people don't understand English, including lawyers and judges. There is NOT a consensus among Sheriffs of what the law says and they will arrest or not arrest based on their opinion or on more localized ordinances.

The Alabama law on carrying a pistol is as follows:

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Except as otherwise provided in
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IMO, this section clearly states that you can NOT carry a pistol (open or concealed) unless you are on your own property or on property of which you are under control (rental property, leased property, etc.). The exception clause at the beginning says that elsewhere in Article 13A there may be additional language that makes exception to this.

The Alabama Open Carry organization, and plenty of other supporters, hang their hat on the following additional language that is in Article 13A:

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IMO, this section says that you can NOT carry a pistol in your vehicle (open or concealed) or concealed on yourself without a license UNLESS you are on your own land, in your apartment, condo, etc... or in your business. The pro-Open Carry crowd claims this language does not specifically disallow open carry on your person, claiming it's meaning is to require you to have a license to carry it concealed, and therefore Open Carry on your person is legal and you do not need a license to do it.

IMO, you cant ignore the Title of this section, which is "License to carry pistol in vehicle or concealed on person – Required." This means the language immediately following it for Article 13A-11-73 is ONLY addressing carrying a pistol in a vehicle and carrying a pistol concealed. It is NOT addressing anything to do with Open Carry, or making any kind of assumption that open carry is legal. For this reason, I think their argument is bogus and they are recklessly telling people that Open Carry is legal due to this language.

That said, there have been legal rulings that agree with their position, with the common ruling that Article 13A-11-73 "does not prohibit the open carrying of an unlicensed pistol". I don't know about anybody else, but again, this section deals specifically with the subject of carrying pistols in vehicles and carrying pistols concealed....NOTHING else, and Article 13A-11-73 clearly prohibits Open Carry unless you're on your own property, unless there was further language in Article 13A that provided otherwise. Claiming that open carry is not prohibited in 13A-11-73 is not something that is provided, it is something that is being assumed to be provided because it is not specifically addressed. And again, this section's title clearly states what the section is providing, and anything other than carrying in vehicles or carrying concealed is NOT provided for in this particular section.

As much as I am in support of Open Carry, if I were a juror, I would tell anybody that got busted for open carry in Alabama that they broke the law, although I would suggest a $0 fine.

I do wish they would amend the gun carry laws to be less confusing and positively state what is allowed, and not leave it up to dubious interpretations, but I'm just a citizen.....what do I know.


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Ha, California has you beat... Open carry has been outlawed.



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