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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 12-06-2012, 05:54 PM Thread Starter
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Ex-sailor charged with attempted espionage

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WTF is with people and pulling shit like this. First it was that jerk off Manning, and now this

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A former U.S. Navy submarine warfare specialist has been arrested and charged with trying to give classified information about how to track U.S. submarines to people he thought were representatives of the Russian Federation - but who were actually FBI undercover agents, according to federal authorities.

Robert Patrick Hoffman II of Virginia Beach, Virginia, was arrested Thursday morning on an attempted espionage charge.

He appeared in federal court in Norfolk Thursday afternoon for an initial appearance, and the judge granted Hoffman's request for a court-appointed attorney, according to the U.S. Attorney's Office office for the Eastern District of Virginia.

Hoffman will remain in jail pending a detention hearing next Tuesday, the U.S. Attorney's Office said.

According to the indictment, on October 21 Hoffman tried to hand over national defense information to people he thought were representatives of the Russian government, including classified information "that revealed and pertained to methods to track U.S. submarines, including the technology and procedures required."

The government alleges Hoffman intended to harm the United States and give an advantage to the Russian Federation. The court documents do not state whether Hoffman sought any money for the materials.

A law enforcement official told CNN that Hoffman also was seeking money, but the official would not say how much.

The information was given to FBI agents who were conducting an undercover operation. The indictment does not charge the Russian government with wrongdoing.

Hoffman, 39, is described as a 20-year veteran of the U.S. Navy who was trained in cryptology and reached the rank of petty officer first class. He retired from active duty in November 2011. According to his biography released by the military, he served as a submarine warfare specialist.

Hoffman held security clearances, and prosecutors say he signed several documents during his tenure in the Navy promising not to divulge sensitive information.

A U.S. official said Hoffman's home in Virginia Beach was searched, as was a local storage facility he was renting. The official said there was nothing to indicate that Hoffman passed classified information to "actual Russians" any time in the past, but authorities still have to examine items taken from his home and storage locker.

If convicted, Hoffman could be sentenced to life in prison.



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Get the rope. Depending on what kind of "CT" he was, he had most likely had access to Top Secret intelligence. Not good.



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Definitely need to start putting these guys to death. Give anybody else considering it something to think about.

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There's a long list of US personnel that have done this shit. Hanssen, Walker, Ames, etc...
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Definitely need to start putting these guys to death. Give anybody else considering it something to think about.
It's in the UCMJ. Treason is punishable by death. Will they ever do it? No.



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It's in the UCMJ. Treason is punishable by death. Will they ever do it? No.
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It would still happen.
Not with near the frequency. You start bringing back public executions, people will stop acting like jackasses you know you're going to be hung in front of your family and friends, you might think twice about betraying our country


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People would certainly think twice. But don't you think some would see it as just another means of mental control through fear?

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I think public executions would be a good thing.
You start lopping off hands, feet, heads and gouging eyes and shit will get real quick with thieves. I promise if you jam a baseball bat up some pedo's ass, people will get the message real quick


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People would certainly think twice. But don't you think some would see it as just another means of mental control through fear?
You are held to a higher standard when you get a security clearance like that. Higher standard should equal higher punishment. You don't want that kind of accountability, don't take on the responsibility


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I am extremely critical of things like this. Why? I was sworn in as a US citizen after being raised in America for 23 years. I take this country's security serious and I will do whatever it takes to protect her existence. I wasn't even sworn in on American soils. To top it off, I actually fought my way out of an ambush 5 days earlier to earn the privilege. So when I hear about some douche bag fvcken waste of a life oxygen thief jeopardizing our citizen's security abnd safety, i have no sympathy. Hang em high.
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I think there should be zero tolerance...


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