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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: NY / NJ
R1 vs. S1000RR
I'm shocked that since 2015 there are only 7 posts in this section and none are against the s1000rr?!
Ok, so here's the story. I love R1s and have owned a few but I'm not a fanboy and every time I get a new bike I do a full eval of it versus the competition. The R1 wasn't always the best, but I liked it the best.
I had a 2005 and felt it was neck and neck w/ the zx-10, and above the rest but I liked Yamaha's better than Kawasaki's back then. The 2009 I think felt fat, wasn't the best, but it looked great, had Yamaha reliability, and sounded MEAN. I think it was pretty stagnant until aroudn 2015.
It's time for a new bike so I'm doing the research all over again. It's either the R1 or the S1000rr. They both have been revamped for 2015 and I've read countless reviews, viewed countless youtube videos and reviews, etc. I've spent so much time researching this it's absolutely ridiculous. The Bimmer seems to almost always take #1 for street riding and the R1 seems to take #1 for track times.
I test rode the BMW and loved the shifting on it and the raw power. The brakes were great, too. It seems every dealer in the world will let you test drive the S1000RR and that makes it nice and easy. They seem very cocky about their bike and have a good reason to be. I didn't like how it rattled a little kind of like an old bike would and strongly disliked the instrumentation cluster.
Despite Yamaha's website searching w/ the filter of "try the Yamaha" every dealer laughed at me for asking if they did test rides and stated how they have been trying to get their name off that feature for years, or laughed at me for asking and how mileage would depreciate the bike despite the fact that Yamaha gives incentives. I get it, I started riding when you'd be laughed at for asking and you bought a bike and then found out how it ran. I know that BMW is pretty much the only one that does it but hey, we're not buying a pair of sneakers and I don't sh*t Tiffany Cufflinks so I was going to keep trying and I figured if they don't allow it, don't advertise it. I finally found one that let me test ride it. I absolutely loved it. I felt it was much more fun than the BMW, electronics were obviously light years ahead, love all the things that come out of the box w/ the Yamaha (lightweight rims, full electronics minus the datalogger and suspension, etc. I liked the BMWs shifter MUCH better and the fact that it could blip down is actually really handy. I can't believe Yamaha didn't add that yet. The BMW can't come near the Yamaha with the sound that it produces, or it's looks, SUCH a turn on!
The Yamaha felt slower, by a long shot. Put it this way, the BMW had 300 miles on it and hadn't been unlocked yet so I was limited to around 8500 rpms and it still felt faster. Yes I know the Yamaha consistently get's faster lap times and while I definitely am bringing it to the track I'm not a pro rider, even though the Yamaha gets better lap times we're looking at 10ths to half a second.
I'm still 100% shocked with how much less power the Yamaha puts out, but the part of me see's how much power is restored by the ECU flashes. It looks like the US Yamahas are putting down around 165 to the ground on average, and in Europe they seem to be much higher. US ECU flashes seem to get around 175+ , does this seem accurate? Overall the ECU and dec-cat exhausts seem to be around 180-183, does that seem right also? With those mods it's still behind the BMW in power but tolerable.
That being said I did put the $$ down on a R1m (I just think it looks SOO much nicer than the regular R1) and an picking it up next week but right now second guessing my decision. Do the numbers seem right? Has anybody else ridden both? I'm not looking for a link to a professional review, more like what unbiased people on here have seen. =]