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post #81 of 115 (permalink) Old 01-10-2017, 01:18 PM
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Not going to speak out of line here, but seems that the Kawasaki Cat Eliminator is a lot less work and material to build. Check out the pictures of the 2 products on the Graves Website. I'm sure that's the reason for the difference in price.

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I see where you're coming from, BUT the ZX10r and the R1 seem to use almost identical carbon end cans, with the exception being the R1 requiring a "SMALL" 2 into 1 Ti mid pipe that the ZX10 does not. Am I to believe this SMALL Ti mid pipe is the reason for an almost $800.00 price increase over the ZX10r system? Especially when comparing the amount of material & design complexity of the 09-14 R1 Ti cat eliminator mid pipe selling for $475.00. Not to mention the dual carbon cans which cost about $100.00 more than the 2015 system...
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post #82 of 115 (permalink) Old 01-11-2017, 08:45 AM
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Since we are on the subject of build quality, and customer appreciation... Would you care to explain the current pricing strategies Graves is employing in regards to the 2015 R1 +, and 2016 ZX10r + for example?

2015 R1 + cat elim exhaust - 1365.50
2016 ZX10r + cat elim exhaust - 569.00, A difference of $796.00...

I'm guessing the cost difference cannot be attributed to material cost as I could purchase 2 complete units for the ZX10r and still be under the cost of 1 R1 unit.
Thanks for your feedback it's not even in the same ball part for the two you are comparing.

Yeah about two inches of single bend aerospace grade titanium compared to one of our craftsmen joining multiple bends (roughly 4 - 12 inch tubes for the construction) into a flawless flowing aerospace grade ti Y pipe / silencer.



This bracket and combined nut laser crafted out of Ti has more time in it when looking at the build sheet than the whole setup of the ZX10 exhaust



You also have an entire bend built into the R1's silencer that is longer than the ZX10 piece and has a cnc ti spiggot for flawless



Anyways we price based of a spreadsheet that timelines each units costings completely. There is not voodoo pricing magic and you will not find cheap materials and junk pipes at our company EVER! If you need a discount code please let me know.

LINK for your convenience Graves Motorsports 2015-2016 Yamaha R1 Cat Eliminator Exhaust System

Graves Motorsports 2015-2017 Yamaha R1 Cat Eliminator Titanium Exhaust System with carbon fiber silencer. GMS Exhaust systems are designed for the elite rider seeking top of the line performance, fit, finish and value. This R1 exhaust system was developed using the same technology that has powered Monster Energy Graves Yamaha riders to 7 straight consecutive Moto America / AMA Superbike championships along with numerous 600cc titles. This product is intended for closed course competition use only. Use of this product for any other purpose is strictly prohibited.

This Graves Motorsports Cat Eliminator exhaust is designed for the racer on a budget seeking the closest performance exhaust to our full race system. We did not allow compromises in the development of this system. Material diameters, lengths, the silencer core size and length are optimized for maximum power output throughout the throttle and RPM range. Combined with Graves’ exclusive flash tune map this system produces a solid 15+ HP in the midrange and 11+ on the top of the horsepower charts. This tune also removes any computer error codes the bike will have when installing performance exhausts.

We use the same 1.00 MM thick wall high heat grade Titanium tubing used on our Superbikes. This material is designed special for maximum durability and oxidation resistance up to 800*Celsius / 1472*Fahrenheit. It is designed to live at almost twice the temperature of normal Grade2 Titanium. The tubes are precision bent and cut with the latest equipment available. The tubing is then welded in fixtures designed so that repeatability is second to none. It comes with a single Lambda receiver bung for on track data logging or Dyno tuning. The spring tabs are made from 4MM thick Titanium wire for long life.

The silencer is one piece with the tail pipe welded to the deep draw tapered Titanium entrance cap and attaches to the collector with a 60.5 MM machined Titanium joint for a perfect fit every time. The Collector attaches to the stock mount under the frame with a Titanium tab that has an 8MM machine Titanium nut welded to the tab. The silencer is hung with a strapless an Aluminum bracket / anodized black and built into the silencer. The silencer sleeve is made of Carbon fiber that attaches to the titanium end caps with stainless aircraft grade rivets and Titanium silencer bands. The inter core tube is made of stainless that slips over the entrance and into the exit cap that is a stamped from Titanium and welded to a 60* slash cut Titanium tube covered with a Carbon Fiber beauty cover.

This system performs like our superbike pipe and shows like jewelry.

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Features:
New Diamond Shaped Silencer Design (Carbon Fiber Cans with Carbon End Cap) designed to match the R1's body line.
Silencer mounts directly to OEM rearset bracket using a stealth strapless mount built into the setup.
Constructed from Aerospace grade hi heat Titanium alloys
1 Auto Tuner Style Lambda sensors comes standard (OEM dual sensor mounts up front are eliminated for a smoother flowing exhaust. When using any Graves performance system on the 15-16 R1 Flash Tune products are recommended to enhance the bikes performance everywhere. The most effective tune on this setup does not utilize the stock lambdas at all.
Advanced welding process showcases laser perfection welds
14.4lbs lighter than stock
Performs like a full system, looks like a full system at 50% the cost.


Stock Can + Cat System Weight = 18.8lbs. : Cat Eliminator System Weight = 4.4lbs. (14.4lb. savings)

DB at Idle 90 / DB at 5000rpm 106.5

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post #83 of 115 (permalink) Old 01-17-2017, 02:43 PM
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Agree with SpidermanSS, the Graves pipe is a work of art! Also a key factor to consider is the matching FT map that Graves works so hard to develop. For me, the map is a huge part of the value of the Grave pipe.

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post #84 of 115 (permalink) Old 01-17-2017, 09:08 PM
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Graves CF can is nice on my buddys R1M... but its just not for me.

I chose the AR GP1R..

Started with the Ti can... Now have the CF can on there.

IT SCREAMS

Side note: 3/4 exhaust has been on since 13 miles on the odo and flashed at the same exact time.

Edit: dont mind the brake fluid, flush will happen before "riding season"
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I love the Graves 3/4 system with the diamond-cut carbon silencer, but knew first hand how loud they can be. Are they available with a db killer, or do I have to short-shift around town? I don't want to be "that guy".

The Arrow ti looks awesome but with the 230mm short canister version it's even more raucous.

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@Hooli : They're available with a 265mm, 300mm or 330mm canister. Obviously the longer cans muffle the sound a lot better.
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post #87 of 115 (permalink) Old 01-19-2017, 02:48 PM
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trying to understand something, I'm going to be picking up my bike in a couple of weeks. I'm going to get a Graves exhaust, Had one on my 09 and loved it.
This is the exhaust I'm looking at, I think the titanium will look better on an M.
http://www.gravesport.com/Graves-Mot...ust-15-17.html
What I'm confused about is the Flash Tune. I understand that the Flash tune will open the bike up a little more by removing factory restrictions. Can you use the flash tune to actually tune the bike?

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trying to understand something, I'm going to be picking up my bike in a couple of weeks. I'm going to get a Graves exhaust, Had one on my 09 and loved it.
This is the exhaust I'm looking at, I think the titanium will look better on an M.
http://www.gravesport.com/Graves-Mot...ust-15-17.html
What I'm confused about is the Flash Tune. I understand that the Flash tune will open the bike up a little more by removing factory restrictions. Can you use the flash tune to actually tune the bike?
Quick answer, yes.

Long answer, there are fuel maps, ignition maps, and a ton of other settings... YouTube flashtune and there is some good videos.
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I'v had 3 different exhaust systems shown below, with their respective dyno charts. The AR and Graves were dyno'd here in NJ on same dyno (same day). The third dyno chart shows the graves and full arrow dyno'd on the same dyno in Indiana (before and after). The final 212 number is not just a full system, did a little motor work as well. Hope this helps you make your decision!!!

1-AR GP1 3/4 (custom map VIA FTECU)
2-Graves Gen 2 3/4 (Graves map via FTECU)
3-Arrow EVO TI full system (custom map via FTECU)
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I'v had 3 different exhaust systems shown below, with their respective dyno charts. The AR and Graves were dyno'd here in NJ on same dyno (same day). The third dyno chart shows the graves and full arrow dyno'd on the same dyno in Indiana (before and after). The final 212 number is not just a full system, did a little motor work as well. Hope this helps you make your decision!!!

1-AR GP1 3/4 (custom map VIA FTECU)
2-Graves Gen 2 3/4 (Graves map via FTECU)
3-Arrow EVO TI full system (custom map via FTECU)
AR looks the best.


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AR looks the best.
I actually think the Graves Gen2 looks best over the AR. Now if it were the Graves Gen1, then yes AR looks better....
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I'v had 3 different exhaust systems shown below, with their respective dyno charts. The AR and Graves were dyno'd here in NJ on same dyno (same day). The third dyno chart shows the graves and full arrow dyno'd on the same dyno in Indiana (before and after). The final 212 number is not just a full system, did a little motor work as well. Hope this helps you make your decision!!!

1-AR GP1 3/4 (custom map VIA FTECU)
2-Graves Gen 2 3/4 (Graves map via FTECU)
3-Arrow EVO TI full system (custom map via FTECU)
"little motor work..." so modest. :P
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"little motor work..." so modest. :P


Teehee, was just an air filter and full system I swear...


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finally decided to get an exhaust.
went with the Hindle 3/4 system Ti can Carbon fiber endcap. one of the least expensive systems for this bike. this setup was hard to find. even woodcraft (the importer) doesn't have them on their site.
I found it on ebay for $635 and free shipping.

I don't have it yet so no pics on my bike. but I think it looks clean.
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No offense, but those horrible-looking welds don't compare to Graves at all! But, maybe for the money you've spent it's good enough. To each his own. I just wanted one of the best, and Graves sure delivered.

On a side note, I'm fond of the looks of the Spark system that MotoMillion sells too.

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Went with SC Project. The previous owner went down on it. So it's got a lil dent in the pipe right before the can. I don't mind it at all since I got it for a third of retail.


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No offense, but those horrible-looking welds don't compare to Graves at all! But, maybe for the money you've spent it's good enough. To each his own. I just wanted one of the best, and Graves sure delivered.

On a side note, I'm fond of the looks of the Spark system that MotoMillion sells too.
Yeah theyre not a graves weld for sure. But they work and theyre not something im looking at unless im lying on the ground. So who cares. Plus theyre going to have dirt, rain ect all over it. You guys care about some of the dumbest sh it lol
Especially if you put a bellypan or race lower on it will never be visible.
I just dont think those welds are worth another $600

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Hey everyone you can treat this as a group buy as I'm doing it with the 9 I have instock. After that the deal will close.

Purchase a Full Graves System here : Graves Motorsports 2015-2016 Yamaha R1 Full Titanium Exhaust System

In the notes section put R1-Forum Special and we will include a free Flash Tune Bike Side kit and a Free Flash Tune Active Tune Kit a $765 value. Our race maps are designed to attack the track and win! Stacked with the active tune the maps AF ratios are fine tuned in real time. If you already own the flash / active and prefer an autoblip kit in replace of the other two that is fine as well. We aren't repeating this sale so first come first serve. The Gen 3 systems are 265mm silencers and setup is 2016 MotoAmerica winning Superbike spec. There is 7 straight superbike championships in the making of these systems and direct team feedback continually tweaks the end results.
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Hell of a deal there wow.
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No offense, but those horrible-looking welds don't compare to Graves at all! But, maybe for the money you've spent it's good enough. To each his own. I just wanted one of the best, and Graves sure delivered.

On a side note, I'm fond of the looks of the Spark system that MotoMillion sells too.
My sister in law has this same nasty attitude and "no offense" its pretty pathetic She has the money to buy the nice things so in her la la land world she thinks its the be all end all and when she puts down your things it totally reminds me of how cunty Yautja sounds in this post lol



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Yeah theyre not a graves weld for sure. But they work and theyre not something im looking at unless im lying on the ground. So who cares. Plus theyre going to have dirt, rain ect all over it. You guys care about some of the dumbest sh it lol
Especially if you put a bellypan or race lower on it will never be visible.
I just dont think those welds are worth another $600
with 2500 plus posts you should know better bro BUYGRAVESBUYGRAVESBUYGRAVES
I 100% knew this would be a graves piss match when i seen the title. I totally agree graves is top notch but theres others out there too

I'm all doped up so i wont feel the burns but ive said this before and ill say it again, the grave moto1 looks like a beer can(with some damn nice welds) bahahahahahahaha
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