second gear power wheelies?

Hey guys I know this might have already been asked but I will ask again. I have a 00 stock R1 and I can't bring it up in second trying the on/off throttle trick. I just bought a AFAM 520 conversion kit and I will be putting it on this weekend. any info on this subject would be great. thanks Jeremy

Is it the same gearing or did you add or lose any teeth? What speed/rpm's are you at? Elaborate a little more on what your doing to try and wheelie.

I wouldn' expect an on off throttle approach in second gear to be giving you a wheelie:no Try flicking the clutch next time your giving it full throttle, or give it a bounce. Then it should come up for ya:thumbup

Originally posted by r1tadau I wouldn' expect an on off throttle approach in second gear to be giving you a wheelie:no Try flicking the clutch next time your giving it full throttle, or give it a bounce. Then it should come up for ya:thumbup On-off and it comes up for me with a light tug on the bars. It did it stock, and it does it much easier now.... no tug necessary .:yesnod :thumbup

I guess your right about it coming up with just throttle, but it comes up alittle too slow for my taste in wheelies;) I like em up quick at a slow speed so I can get the most out of them:) Maybe he is sitting on the gastank instead of back in his seat j/k:lol

I like em up quick at a slow speed so I can get the most out of them I'm with you r1tadau. I've done power wheelies in 3rd gear on this bike just to see how easy it was, but I prefer slower speed wheelies using the clutch. They look better and show more skill. High speed wheelies are boring to me because anyone can do them on any modern-day sportbike. I clutch it up at about 5-10 mph and try to bring it up high enough that the wheelie lasts pretty long and my bike isn't screaming down the block.

weezer, At first I was having trouble powering it up in second too. You just have to find the sweet spot. What I like to do is to moderately accelerate to 60mph in second, let of the throttle so that the forks compress, as the front is rebounding nail the throttle while giving a little tug on the clip-ons. The front will come up nice and easy. As you get a better feel for it you can do it at both lower and higher speeds where it is harder to do. Just keep practicing dude.:thumbup

nate thanks for the advice I will try that. What I have been trying is taking the rpm's to 7,500-8,500 and giving the throttle a quick twist and letting off and getting right back on it again with no result. I have not tried to tug on the bars yet but I will. As far as using the clutch I think Im going to have to grow some balls first. Earl the kit is 2 teeth up in the rear. I got it from sprocket center for $180. btw earl I love the pics of you doing the standup's I hope to be there some day. thanks again guys. Jeremy

Originally posted by weezer ...the kit is 2 teeth up in the rear. Two teeth up on the rear will help out with power wheelies for sure. Nate has the right idea. Finding the sweet spot is the key. Just takes practice to get the feel of the powerband. Try lowering your rpm's about 500 or more. At 7,500 RPM your well into the powerband, try finding the begining of the powerband to start your on-off method with a little tug on the bars. The bounce method works great for stand-ups.

ok earl so you are saying that I need to start trying to pull it up at around 7000? I give it a try tonight. How fast are you going when you do stand ups rpm, speed? I want to learn how to do them most of all because it looks so cool to see someone on a stand up coming by you on the road. thanks for the info. Jeremy

Usually a little less than 7K for stand-up wheelies. I just bounce 'em up with a tug on the bars and some throttle. The on-off method should work as well at that rpm. For sit-downs I clutch 'em up as slow as 60mph, but you should be able to clutch up at even slower speeds than that in 2nd gear, with practice.

weezer -- here's what i do. 2nd gear.. 67mph indicated (stock gearing). somewhere around 7krpm. Hold it at exactly this speed, then go WOT (wide open throttle), and tug up on the bars. If all goes well, the front tire will come up about 5-6". Maybe a foot. Once you're comfortable doing this.. do the same thing, but as soon as you pop the throttle to WOT, close it, and when the forks compress again, go WOT once more... the bike should lift sky-high. When i hit them really well, the bike will come up to that nice 60 degree angle, and i can ride 2nd out to 98 or 103mph.. something like that before i put her down. Once i get more comfortable i'll start making the switch to 3rd. Hope that helped.

Personaly for the sit downs in second I like to pull them up much earlier than what you guys are doing. I shift my weight back in the seat around 4500 rpm to 5000 rpm this is about 65 to 70 km/h I roll the throttle forward and with my elbows bent I open it right up and tug back at the same time. It comes up in a controled manner. For stand ups in second it almost seems a little to abrupt I jump on it at about 6000 to 6500 rpm and it comes up fast. With third gear the only way I can get it to come up is with the leg pump throttle and a tug all at the same time but in third it is very easy to control and you can ride it out a good distance. Thats what I do and my bike is still stock no add ons yet:D

thanks for all of the info guys. Im getting the 520 conv. kit put on right now. I hope to have it done by sat. So I can let the wheelies fly.:D