My no B.S. review '02 R1 v. Gix 1k (long)

Scott_in_FL
08-13-2002, 09:48 AM
For background, I have ridden bikes nearly 20 years and raced WERA #369 600 and 750 Superstock in the Mid-Central region for three years during the early 90's. I own an '02 Gix 1k and my girlfriend recently purchased an '02 Yam R1. As of today, I've ridden both bikes very hard on Mountain roads (a couple recent trips to NC) and these are my objective impressions. The first thing I noticed was that the R1's brakes are amazing. Although the initial bite is probably a bit much for street use, the power of the Yam's binders is very welcome at serious sporting speeds. There isn't much progression though in the lever. It feels that full braking can be acheived in about 1/4" of front lever travel. In comparison, the Suzuki's brakes feel almost non-existent. This is no joke! Suzuki really needs to address this issue. Although the bike does stop, it takes a bunch of lever travel. The only benefit of this is that the brakes are very easy to modulate. You can scrub off 1/10's of a mph if you want to. With the Yam, it's tough to make very minor speed changes (i.e. corner entry) because they are so powerful. Advantage Yamaha.... big time! Suspension is about even. Both bikes soak up all the normal stuff (paving changes, cracks/expansion joints, etc.) with absolutely no drama to the chassis. At full lean, both suck up the nasties really well and keep the bike planted. This is a dead heat. Comfort sucks on the Yam. Damn, they could use a piece of wood for that seat and I wouldn't know the difference after about 30 minutes. After riding the Suzuki, I can't figure out any reason why the Yam seat need be so uncomfortable. Additionally, with the bars closer to you on the Yam, I felt the clip-ons strained my wrists more than the Suzuki. Perhaps it is the more extreme angle of the palm in relation to the forearm when resting your weight on your arms (i.e. highway riding). Advantage Suzuki. Power is an interesting point. Down low and through the midrange, the Yam feels stronger. But over 7-8,000 rpm, the Suzuki feels much stronger. I chalk it up to the ram-air effect because the Suzuki feels like it continues to accelerate at an increasing rate all the way through the range. Whereas the Yamaha feels like it accelerates at a perfectly equal rate of acceleration without the Suzuki's top-end rush. The Yamaha is strong and steady for sure, but the Suzuki is just an absolute beast. On some of the finer points, the Yamaha certainly feels smaller and lighter (like 30 lbs. lighter when you're riding it hard). It is more twitchy than the Suzuki at higher speeds, and wheelies seem a bit easier controlled on the Suzuki (although the Yamaha is just as willing to do them, if not more so). The Yam's stock Dunlop tires start to slide much sooner than the Suzuki's Bridgestones. If you're a racer type looking for the best performance, I think the Suzuki is a better bet out of the crate. If you're willing to spend the additional money though, the Yam could be brought up to snuff. It needs a power infusion (exhaust, PCIII, etc.), steering damper, and tires right away in order to keep pace with a stock Gix 1k. If you're more of a cruiser person, looking for a bike that is just right for those Friday night rides to and from the local hangout, then the R1 is for you. Hands down, the R1 is flat-out gorgeous. It makes the Suzuki look like it was styled back in the 80's. Build quality and attention to detail also seems a bit higher level on the R1. If you like customizing your bikes, I'm sure you could get an R1 to just drop jaws with some nice aftermarket pieces. Good luck finding someone to sit on that rear pillion for too long though. I hope this was helpful for anyone thinking about purchasing either of these two machines. You will not regret your decision to buy either one.

tazinhawaii
08-13-2002, 10:05 AM
Thank You. That's exactly what I think people are looking for. Un-biased, NON-magazine comparisons. And you have the perfect situation to do that. And more importantly... You have a Girlfriend that went out and bought a new R1 !!! I would have to vote that she's a KEEPER!!!!!!! Damn, where do I find girls like that? My fiancee like my bike, but would never actually buy one, let alone a litre bike! Derrick

Wolf-R1
08-13-2002, 10:14 AM
Nice job man! :thumbup In the end it all falls into your personal flavor. It also has been said that the R1 is more restricted at the pipe than the others. That alone would help the One quite a bit. And I agree...that girlie is a keeper! :rock

Wicked
08-13-2002, 10:16 AM
I like your write up. As for the rear passengers, my girlfriend loves it, she stand 5'2" and about 105lbs and we have been on rides up to 2 hours long. And she had no more that the usually compaints that she had on my F2... my hair is in nots, no more wheelies please. etc ;) As for power I too have riding the GIxr, not as extensive as you have probably ridden your girls R1 and I agree out of the box, GIXR wins. But now after all of my mods, I truly believe that the exhaust on the R1 is VERY restrictive. I do not see the power gains on any bike I have ownd or on the 02 GIXR after you put a full system on, it truly made my R1 an new bike. What I would like to see is a comparison of both bike after a full exhaust, PCIIIr and other mods and then see whos top dog. I do not know the answer to that question, but I would sure love to know. I myself was about to buy the GIXR, but like you said the R1 is soooo SEXY I know on the street there are few if anyone who can take either of the bikes to their full potential. Which is why I ultimatly decided with looks! I remember when I made my decision, I opened up my new SPORT RIDER magazine and there was a 2 page spread of a SILVER (not blue) R1 and I was at the dealer the next day cancelling my order for the GIXR/

2001GSXR750
08-13-2002, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by Scott_in_FL If you're more of a cruiser person, looking for a bike that is just right for those Friday night rides to and from the local hangout, then the R1 is for you. Hands down, the R1 is flat-out gorgeous. It makes the Suzuki look like it was styled back in the 80's. Build quality and attention to detail also seems a bit higher level on the R1. If you like customizing your bikes, I'm sure you could get an R1 to just drop jaws with some nice aftermarket pieces. Good luck finding someone to sit on that rear pillion for too long though. I Ahahahaha..... Doesnt this make you a poser/squid. I knew it all along LOL.:lol :finger J/K Dont take my post seriously, just having a little fun with you guys. Anyway both bikes kick ass, but we all know who rules when it comes to real riding:rock :finger

Mark Wilkes
08-13-2002, 11:53 AM
Good review Dude

No_6
08-13-2002, 11:55 AM
Nice review, well thought out. Yup, the girl's a keeper. She obviously has better taste in bikes. ;)

Cat980
08-13-2002, 11:59 AM
Good review...... so what are the chances of us Yammy owners seeing this wife of your on her bike?????? :D

Wicked
08-13-2002, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by Cat980 Good review...... so what are the chances of us Yammy owners seeing this wife of your on her bike?????? :D now your talkin!!! :jump

TerminatorR1
08-13-2002, 12:39 PM
Damn Cat took my response. Pics of your girl and her ride always welcomed.:D Nice review as well. The only point I disagree on is the comfort. And as far as my girl, she will agree that the passenger seat sux. This is a good thing b/c I get to go out by myself more often.:D

UniqueStyle R6
08-13-2002, 02:38 PM
Nice review. Although, I would have liked to have read your opinion on the handling differences between the two bikes.