: Balance Point
08-17-2002, 08:32 PM
Yes, I found the balance point last night on the way home on my R1,,,, just taking off at a set of lights going up a hill, and decided to gasssssssssss it up she came and i held it their for a good 30 meters or so,,,got to the toll gates, 1st gear 'Fanned the clutch' up she came for a good 50 meters or so,,, felt FUKEN good,,,
Just out of curiosity,,,, how many times do you guys pop the wheel usin the clutch in 1st taking off at lights or whatever,,,
1. Every Set of lights?
2. Whenever someone looks at your bike at the lights?
3. At least once every time you take the bike out?
4. Once a week?
5. Once a month?
6. Never, because you cant do it?
08-17-2002, 08:46 PM
Clutching a first gear wheelie on an R1 is a no no.:crash
08-17-2002, 08:51 PM
Can you say "Stunters" section.....
08-18-2002, 12:17 AM
why is clutching a no no???
thier you go i said it.....
08-18-2002, 12:25 AM
just use the throtle, you can even bounce it up if you want to going 15 mph. I don't know why but I would imagine that clutching it up in first might be a little rough on your bike or because first gear is violent.
08-18-2002, 12:50 AM
i prefer clutching up wheelies, even in first gear...clutching up is just like throttle control, you have to have clutch control...if yah **** up, yah gonna **** up big..but if you get good at it, its nice n smooth:D
08-18-2002, 04:45 PM
I have fanned the clutch on most of my bikes, i started doing it on my MX80 when i was about 10 and have always done it.
Two wheelies i pull are as follows,
1) The POWER WHEELIE: Take off at a fairly quick speed and when the revs are at about 6-7,000rpm i blip the clutch and do a POWER WHEELIE with my wheel hanging about 2-3 foot off the ground the bike will do this for about 30 meters, it looks awesome.
2) Blip the clutch at about 3-4,000rpm rev it pretty hard and it will come up within a blink of an eye, don't forget to cover the brake(i have never had it past vertical so have never had to use the brake) but i could imagine after this advice someone is gonna get on the alimight R1 and blip the clutch with a hand full of throttle and end up on there ass!!! so take it easy.
I have noticed that in some instances i have revd it that hard when i blip the clutch that the back wheel has SPUN up before gaining traction again and catapulting the front wheel into the air!!!
Gives me that ole motocross bike feel.
08-18-2002, 05:10 PM
If in first gear, just hack the throttle. Im not a big fan of wheelies so I try not to do them, but ive done a few in first. Why use the clutch?
08-19-2002, 08:09 AM
WHY USE THE CLUTCH? I USE THE CLUTCH BECAUSE YOU PICK UP TO MUCH SPEED POWERING IT UP. WHEN YOU CLUTCH IT UP YOU CAN CONCENTRATE ON FINDING THE G-SPOT NOT HOW FAST YOUR GOING!!! PLUS ITS THE WAY I'VE ALWAYS DONE THEM!! THATS HOW YOU HAVE TO DO THEM ON A MIGHTY 600!!:rock
08-19-2002, 08:25 AM
What's with the damn caps SQUID5 ?
Anyway there is no need at all to clutch the R1 in first gear. The bike will come up just after 5 grand if you play the throttle correctly. At least that's for the '02 model.
SQUID5 stop riding your 1000cc motorcycle like a 600.
08-19-2002, 10:11 AM
I only blip the clutch when trying a 12 0'clock. Otherwise, I just don't see the need to use the clutch for 1st gear wheelies.
08-19-2002, 10:31 AM
Clutch?? Oh yeah, the thingy opposite the, ummm...
I go with throttle control for wheelies - I feel comfy using throttle only, and no risk of clutch/tranny probs.
08-19-2002, 10:53 AM
Anyone I've ever known or seen that does good to awesome wheelies uses throttle control to maintain balance point, and covers the rear brake, maybe.
I agree with Y2KRedR1, the only reason I see for the clutch in 1st gear would be for a 12 o'clock wheelie. Not that it's any big deal if you are, so long as you are in control of what your doing.
I gotta say that 2nd and 3rd gear wheelies are where it's at for me. I just don't have any intrest in the 1st gear wheelies anymore, save for the little power wheelies I do coming off slow speed turns.
08-20-2002, 05:14 PM
THATS HOW YOU HAVE TO DO THEM ON A MIGHTY 600!!
Got a ninja 600 and it's no prob. at all to power wheelie it in first, 5500 rpms throttle on-off-on and up she comes, dont even have to bounce anymore, just sit back a little (easier finding balance point that way imo).
08-20-2002, 06:09 PM
I never use the clutch! Even second gear wheelies come up at around 55 mph and you can ride those for ever! I thought you would kill yourself if you tried to clutch up in 1st!
08-21-2002, 11:36 PM
nopeee, i consistently clutch up 1st and 2nd.....
i clutch up 1st just cause i like the feel of it, i can get the front up without carrying alot of speed, starting around 20 mph....
i have to clutch up second...i sit on the back of the seat and can clutch up a good second gear wheelie between 45-58mph....if i get it up in the 40s....i can hold it up for quite awhile....
keep in mind, im a 275pound rider....so thats your 170...plus your 110# rider....for now, i like to think when i lose the weight i can do those wheelies you see people doing with passengers on:lol
i cant wait till next spring to ride, bikes going to feel a shitload faster when i drop off this 100extra#....
08-22-2002, 02:04 PM
I'm 5'8 200 LBS and I never done a throtle only wheelie in 2nd. I'm working on dropping 30LBS by next summer. Working out 6 days a week. 3days running, 3 days lifting. Good Luck! I'm sure it's more technique than anything else but I've always clutched my wheelies. 1st gear I don't feel the need to but it comes up easier and I'm not accelerating as much and can ride them out longer if I clutch them up. 2nd gear from 35-65 clutch ups and now shifting while wheeling is my new addiction.
08-23-2002, 01:37 PM
i cant believe you clutch up wheelies on an R1, in any gear for that matter...I can get my standups up in 2nd and 3rd just by bouncing, and it doesnt even take any trying until 3rd gear when you gotta tug a little harder. 1st gear wheelies on an R1 are a no no to begin with let alone clutching them up, way too much torque and nothing smooth about them at all. take some time to work on snapping the throttle and pulling on the handlebars it should come up no prob. a lot of people (i did too) when theyre first starting to do standups dont crack the throttle hard enough while theyre tugging away at the bars..... ive got mine down to where i can ride all the way through 2nd and 3rd ina standup this summer, so im feeling kinda good right now!!! im also 200 lbs @ 5'9", practice is all it takes. send a message we can rap about it
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08-23-2002, 03:47 PM
i think the clutching of a wheelie comes from dirt bike riding,,, i don't have a problem with clutching i sorta like the feel of the bike kicking sideways because the rear wheel is spinning just before it pops up, but yeh its easy to pop it by just cracking the throttle,,, i honestly havn't tried that hard in second gear though,
do you need to have a bit of speed going or do you do it at slow speeds in second???
08-23-2002, 06:31 PM
in 3rd, i can slide my ass all the way back on the seat, lean back, wind it up, pop the clutch, and Nothin..not even a bounce....im going to give her some hell tonight...lets hope you dont hear a thread form me in the morning about how i looped it.....heh...not funny..
the other day i was rollin about 5-10 mph when i popped her up and nearly 12 oclocked it..made me shit my pants...anywyas, off to practice tonight see yahsssss
08-27-2002, 10:12 PM
If your back wheel is spinning while clutching up, sounds like you are not doing it right. I never use it in first, but occasionally in second for the lower rev/speed factor. You only need to feather the clutch with 1 or 2 fingers. Just enough to slip it. If your wheel is spinning, you are engaging the clutch for too long. Very dangerous if you think you are in second when you are really in first..........yes that is coming from an oh shit experience.
Just be carefull. Don't do too much too fast.