Sato Frame Sliders Suck!!!

I had an emergency/panic braking situation turn into an unintentional stoppie - almost saved it - lost my balance at the end & dumped the bike on it's left side @ just about 0MPH. My left frame slider failed & cost me a broken rear set. I purchased a set of SATO sliders for $85 from Kyle Racing. http://www.kyleusa.com/catalog/sato_frame_sliders_2004_r1_3129799.htm I went with them because I thought SATO put out quality & the units were small & super clean (didn't stick out like a donkey dick on the side of the bike). Hope this thread saves some1 $85 bucks. Go with the donkey dick sliders because... ****SATO FRAME SLIDERS SUCK!!!**** :finger

It's 2 bad could I love the way these sliders look :boobies

The slider just snapped off with only a small scratch at the point of contact - a large hunk of delrin broke off... the bolt & aluminum base are 100% perfect :bash

:cryin

Essentially my bike just fell over on it's side... I can only imagine what would have happened to her in a serious get off with these crappy frame sliders. :scared Zero impact absorbed! It failed to protect anything - product is garbage!!!

The damage should have been at the point of contact with the ground (top/near index finger), not @ the base (bottom/thumb) $85:dollar for brittle garbage that could not survive a drop off your stands :lol SATO -> makes junk

wow - that is UFB. Time to call Earache - everything else is just a toy. I had a getoff of my own yesterday and I cannot say enough about his barends and framesliders. My story is here: http://tinyurl.com/966md Glad you didn't fall awkardly or lose anything super serious.

Have heard nothing but good things about Earache's sliders. :thumbup They just look like highway pegs, as do the Shoguns. I'm replacing the SATO's with Motovations. They still look fugly to me but I will just have to get used to them suckers. It was a toss up between Harris, & Motovation. Didn't find anything negative about the Motovations on the forum, so donkey dick sliders here I come. :ugh http://www.motovationusa.com/2004r1.html#

i just purchased Shoguns today. they look good, are very solid and have no metal to bend or fairings to cut.

Originally posted by NSDQ wow - that is UFB. Time to call Earache - everything else is just a toy. I had a getoff of my own yesterday and I cannot say enough about his barends and framesliders. My story is here: http://tinyurl.com/966md Glad you didn't fall awkardly or lose anything super serious. :iamwithst Earache! $50 for the set shipped! Never tested em... but I know his quality is top notch. Also have his bar ends and clutch slider! :bow

Originally posted by GAMBLER Have heard nothing but good things about Earache's sliders. :thumbup They just look like highway pegs, as do the Shoguns. I'm replacing the SATO's with Motovations. They still look fugly to me but I will just have to get used to them suckers. It was a toss up between Harris, & Motovation. Didn't find anything negative about the Motovations on the forum, so donkey dick sliders here I come. :ugh http://www.motovationusa.com/2004r1.html# I like those not bad at all. I also know what those pretty sliders will get you nothing but extra fairing damage. This is the only time I will opt for the donkey dick :lol :lol

Originally posted by GAMBLER The slider just snapped off with only a small scratch at the point of contact - a large hunk of delrin broke off... the bolt & aluminum base are 100% perfect :bash I'm sorry to hear that. I had a <10mph drop with Graves sliders and the exact same thing happened with them. The point of contact with the ground was fine, but the delrin snapped where it fit around the bolt. Pieces of crap.

These are the parts of the Gilles rear sets that McCoy's is replacing for me. This is a great picture to save, for those with Gilles.

Originally posted by Ponykiller I'm sorry to hear that. I had a <10mph drop with Graves sliders and the exact same thing happened with them. The point of contact with the ground was fine, but the delrin snapped where it fit around the bolt. Pieces of crap. Not what I wanted to hear KEVAP, how are those Earaches???????????????????

R&G Racing

Here's a pic of my shiftside slider.... poor pic sorry

www.dynomite.co.uk they have em'...

woodcraft :yesnod

i cant belive it broke like that! that sux

You"re replacing those parts on the rearsets for what exactly...scratches or broken parts?

i lowsided my bike @ over 100mph and it did it's job perfectly...sorry to hear it didn't work out for u...

Originally posted by martinc You"re replacing those parts on the rearsets for what exactly...scratches or broken parts? part # 1 & 3 scratched 9 & 7 broke I sent an complaint email to Sato & they have not bothered to respond. When I was making my decision to purchase these they were all to eager to answer questions. :butt

Originally posted by R1-LRS-ARB Not what I wanted to hear KEVAP, how are those Earaches??????????????????? I'd certainly buy them again from Eric. :yesnod

Originally posted by Kevap I'd certainly buy them again from Eric. :yesnod works for me, time to drop some more :dollar :thumbup

Motovation slides are good. I have a set on mine. I believe Earaches sliders are excellent too! Ordered 2 sets last year- just waiting on delivery...

Originally posted by sherman i lowsided my bike @ over 100mph and it did it's job perfectly...sorry to hear it didn't work out for u... Which sliders do you have again sherman?

I also lowsided at about 50 mph and dropped the bike almost at a standstill another time. Both times Sato sliders (different sides) worked beatifully.

Originally posted by Kann I also lowsided at about 50 mph and dropped the bike almost at a standstill another time. Both times Sato sliders (different sides) worked beatifully. when do you pick up your check from Sato?

A single occurence of faulty or incorrectly installed and hence damaged product does not necessarily mean all Sato products are useless. I do not imply that either is true in your case though. i simply stated what my personal experience was.

Originally posted by Kann A single occurence of faulty or incorrectly installed and hence damaged product does not necessarily mean all Sato products are useless. I do not imply that either is true in your case though. i simply stated what my personal experience was. I keed, I keed! I was just fun'n whit cha... but seriously, how you gonna spend all that Sato dough? :dollar

No doubt a stupid question but why use sliders at all. They look ugly and have been known to cause serious bike damage by using them.

Certain things I just have to go with effectiveness over beauty.. Frame sliders is #1 on that list.. I use Intuitive RACE frame sliders on both my street and track R1's and have yet to have a complaint with them. They are so protective, you have to dremel out part of the fairing just to get them to mount. But when my street 05 Raven went sliding over the concrete through 4 lanes of traffic at over 40 mphs this is all the damage that was done. That mid-fairing was replaced by Mr. Cycles $118 bucks shipped. Bike looks perfect again.

Originally posted by William YZF-R1 No doubt a stupid question but why use sliders at all. They look ugly and have been known to cause serious bike damage by using them. When you need them they are things of beauty. Just stay away from the alloy bling, they don't slide just grip and brake :( Stick with the nylon or other softer material JMO, you are bond to get mixed reviews on type of material used.

Originally posted by GAMBLER I keed, I keed! I was just fun'n whit cha... but seriously, how you gonna spend all that Sato dough? :dollar Another bike may be, what do u think? :confused:

R&G Racing... www.dynomite.co.uk Go there young Jedi, and the force will be realized...

Originally posted by William YZF-R1 No doubt a stupid question but why use sliders at all. They look ugly and have been known to cause serious bike damage by using them. If you hit hard enough for a slider to cause 'serious damage' to the bike....what would that crash have done to the bike without the slider? I got hit by a pickup once in a parking lot once...he failed to yield and broadsided me right on the front of the bike but luckily it was at a low speed. The bike was literally ripped out from under me and slammed down on its right side. I got off, picked up the bike, checked it out and found that the only damage was to the outer edge of the slider. If not for that slider, I would have had to redo the whole right side of the bike, including the gas tank.

Sometimes the forces transmitted by the slider into the frame engine mounting bosses, motor mounts, and motor cause severe frame or motor damage that would not have ocurred in the absence of the sliders' presence. It's a gamble. You usually come out ahead with sliders, but in relatively infrequent situations, you lose. My bets are on the sliders, the odds are you'll be better with them.

I had a set of sato frame sliders and they did the very same thing twice. Both sides failed I call sato and they told me that they would do nothing that it was not the products falt. Also I had shogun And they don't hold up in the dirt.

Originally posted by A SPEEDEMON i cant belive it broke like that! that sux :fork Info for 2002-03 R1. Also, some disadvantages for heaving a frame sliders on 2004-05 models I know you want to protect the fairings and make the bike look perfect after taking a blow at 60km/h. NO perfect sliders will save your fairings. BUT A PERFECT SLIDER WILL SAVE YOUR FRAME and ENGINE COVERS. Study in progress: I am working on a new aluminum sliders-polyurethane (bushings) design, which will be perfectly calculated for the maximum impact load (if a bike is dropped or sliding over 40km/h). Another important point, the slider itself should NOT damage the frame. I have access to CNN machines. I have seen many problems with frame damage and cracked fairings at ZIRO km/h. So, the main problem is the length of the spacer, the bolt and slider itself. If the spacer is not integrated into a slider (as one unit), Do Not bother buying one. -It exposes the bolt to a major stress when it passes through spacer and the slider. -Make sure the spacer is a part of the slider. If the spacer makes the slider stick-out even by 5 mm, upon impact at ZIRO km/h it has 50% CHANCE TO CRACK. -Make sure the slider is FLASHED with your frame; this means NO gap b/n the frame and the slider. The spacer must be fully inside the frame. (R1 02-03 has space within the frame on the L-side for it.) To avoid the bending of the bolt and Damaging Your Frame). Please, do not get fooled by some designs. -If frame sliders look identical for the L and R sides, you will know NOT to buy one. 2004-05 R1 have major problems with the right side sliders. The space b/n the frame and the slider is tooooooooooooo HUGE. And this is what I am working on. Keep them shiny! :cool:

Bunch of crash test dummies in here :crash LOL J/K I had a set of R&G and I had a lowslide at about 50mph they held up awesome... minor scratches and a broken brake lever... I would deff. buy them again...

Originally posted by Tito Bunch of crash test dummies in here :crash LOL J/K I had a set of R&G and I had a lowslide at about 50mph they held up awesome... minor scratches and a broken brake lever... I would deff. buy them again... At least we try, what do YOU do? Sliding on your R&G at 50mph (80km/h), LOLLOLOLOL; do you even know what happnes to a slider at this speed? Sorry, I don't buy a thing you say about your crash at such a high speed. ok

Originally posted by sherman i lowsided my bike @ over 100mph and it did it's job perfectly...sorry to hear it didn't work out for u... Skyline. I excuse you just because your Canadian... I know it can be difficult for you to undestand sometimes...:2bitchsla I guess sherman is just talking shit too huh?? STFU noob...

Does anybody have any experience with the sliders sold by Yamaha?

Originally posted by Daekwan Certain things I just have to go with effectiveness over beauty.. Frame sliders is #1 on that list.. I use Intuitive RACE frame sliders on both my street and track R1's and have yet to have a complaint with them. They are so protective, you have to dremel out part of the fairing just to get them to mount. But when my street 05 Raven went sliding over the concrete through 4 lanes of traffic at over 40 mphs this is all the damage that was done. That mid-fairing was replaced by Mr. Cycles $118 bucks shipped. Bike looks perfect again. same here, lowsided @ 30mph and the Intui sliders held up pretty good.

Originally posted by xdonniedarkox R&G Racing :iamwithst I had a get off on a trackday. Bike went 6 ft in the air and my R&G sliders saved alot. Wheels fine, Engine fine, Frame fine, Forks fine.. They are the nads here in the UK http://www.rg-racing.com/frame-sliders-testimonials/crash-protector-stunt-bike.jpg "A testimonial if ever one was needed - here is world-famous stunt rider, Kevin Carmichael, who always uses R&G crash protectors where protection and reduced damage is paramount". http://www.rg-racing.com/

I will try to get the R&G sliders today. I really wonder how good they are. As some of you DID slide on them (at 30mph+)and had only MINOR problems, I am more than curious… Sergs

Originally posted by SKYLINE I will try to get the R&G sliders today. I really wonder how good they are. As some of you DID slide on them (at 30mph+)and had only MINOR problems, I am more than curious… Sergs Well none of mine broke. Just did what they were supposed to. Have a look at the customer quotes on the R&G website.

Wow, found this thread via another. One of the reasons I got the Sato's was because of their low profile. I've seen so many huge sliders that have just snapped off in minor get offs that the small size of the Sato's really inspired confidence in them (and up until this thread haven't heard a disparaging word about them). I think a lot of people mistake the purpose of the sliders -- to protect the frame from damage, not the skins. Then you end up with these exceptionally long "sliders" that snap off easily. I'll keep my Sato's for now but I'm going to be watching to see how often they fail compared to others (Graves, Vortex, Yoyodyne, Woodcraft, etc...) I've heard stories about most makes snapping off so I don't take it too seriously when I hear a report, but the amount of reports compared to the amount of people using them is important to me. Hope everything worked out for you.

Originally posted by GAMBLER Have heard nothing but good things about Earache's sliders. :thumbup They just look like highway pegs, as do the Shoguns. I'm replacing the SATO's with Motovations. They still look fugly to me but I will just have to get used to them suckers. It was a toss up between Harris, & Motovation. Didn't find anything negative about the Motovations on the forum, so donkey dick sliders here I come. :ugh http://www.motovationusa.com/2004r1.html# I think you'll be in for the same dilema with those... I had something smilar to those and they snapped off from a tip over... I think the weak link has to do where delrin is connected to the aluminum piece. I don't think their is enough material to overlap the aluminum spool. Explains why mine broke just like yours... at the junction of the delrin and aluminum spool. I've switch to shoguns since then and had tip overs with no breakage. Yeah they look ugly, but damn they get the job done... :thumbup

I used my intuitive. Lost the bike in a 1st gear standup and pitched it onto it's right hand side. the intuitive clutch slider saved my gilles rearsets and case. The frame slider i'm not sure if it did much :lol Was worn down and bent but the woodcraft clipon bar did some nice protection.

Harris sliders here, with Creations engine armor, and Harris race pegs :thumbup

Harris sliders, Harris race pegs, and Woodcraft case w/SS skid plate :thumbup

Originally posted by rorlow Harris sliders, Harris race pegs, and Woodcraft case w/SS skid plate :thumbup And an entire team of dwarfs to clean the bike :D :D

Originally posted by Lord Melch And an entire team of dwarfs to clean the bike :D :D little French fookers at that :2bitchsla

Where do you get the dwarfs? Anyone up for a group buy?

Originally posted by richardlpalmer Where do you get the dwarfs? Anyone up for a group buy? :lol :lol I believe one of the Forum Sponsors has them, as ususal Rorlow got in there first. After you 1000th purchase of titanium you get a free set. US Immigration can be tricky though..

Originally posted by rorlow Harris sliders, Harris race pegs, and Woodcraft case w/SS skid plate :thumbup Showing of your goodies again I see Ron. :fact You are such a :moto: :lol

Boge5 Bike: 2003 R1 - SOLD!!!! 06 Blue R1 at dealership in storage till spring!!! YEH!!! Guess you life somewhere COLD eh ? Can't you at least have the 06 at home to drool over ? Speaking if which I better wash my bike AGAIN ! :cryin

Originally posted by Lord Melch Boge5 Guess you life somewhere COLD eh ? Can't you at least have the 06 at home to drool over ? Speaking if which I better wash my bike AGAIN ! :cryin I have been holding off to save the most amount possible for th down payment ($5,000) to keep the payments low but now I'm actually looking at picking it up possibly this month thanks to all the people posting picks of there freshly picked up bikes. :lol Oh.....and here's a :2bitchsla for ya for rubbing in the fact that you have your bike. :rant :lol :lol P.S. Yes.....IOWA can get a little COLD!!

Oh.....and here's a for ya for rubbing in the fact that you have your bike. Sorry didn't mean to rub it in, wasn't trying to be mean. :thumbup Mindyou if you saw the abount of road slime on my bike (and recent accident damage) you would be happy yours is nice and snug wrapped in cotton wool at your dealer :) :yesnod

Originally posted by Lord Melch Sorry didn't mean to rub it in, wasn't trying to be mean. :thumbup I know mate.....just being a :cryin baby about waiting. :hellobye from across the pond. :beer

from across the pond. :hellobye - They need a shaking hands Smilie :) Hope you had a Great Christmas and New Year... Summer is coming... :yesnod :cool:

Originally posted by Lord Melch :hellobye - They need a shaking hands Smilie :) Hope you had a Great Christmas and New Year... Summer is coming... :yesnod :cool: Throw the bike on a boat and get your arse over here in June to the Forum Convention at the Gap. :fact

Originally posted by boge5 Throw the bike on a boat and get your arse over here in June to the Forum Convention at the Gap. :fact That'd be a long boat trip. Now let me check the diary and see if my Lear Jet is free that week. Never tried getting the R1 in her, maybe if I move the pool table :D

Originally posted by Lord Melch That'd be a long boat trip. Now let me check the diary and see if my Lear Jet is free that week. Never tried getting the R1 in her, maybe if I move the pool table :D :confused: :lol :lol

all about shogun and vortex sliders... crash tested and approved

****SATO FRAME SLIDERS SUCK!!!**** :finger [/B] I agree! Never liked them.:bash

me i got oggie knobs fitted to my new 07 R1.

did you see the date of the thread you're replying to?

Regardless, they served me well last month... http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u227/richardlpalmer/MotoGP%202007/IMG_0900.jpg http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u227/richardlpalmer/MotoGP%202007/IMG_0901.jpg

Anyone know how I can go about buying the Earache ones? Thanks.

Regardless, they served me well last month... http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u227/richardlpalmer/MotoGP%202007/IMG_0900.jpg http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u227/richardlpalmer/MotoGP%202007/IMG_0901.jpg :scared that looks pretty bad, but the slider helped out for sure.

:scared that looks pretty bad, but the slider helped out for sure. Yeah, I mean it's to save the frame, not the skins. And while there's a couple scratches on the frame they're from the gravel the bike ended up in, not the road that it was sliding on before it went into the gravel. I guess one of the reasons I went with Sato (if I didn't mention it above) is that they're not so long. I've seen and heard about the longer type grabbing and actually assisting a bike into flipping. Not the case with the shorter ones...

hey man have you seen the race railz for the 07 r1.... u have to cut a small piece of your bike to fit it but it is WELL worth it... it protects 10x more that a slider and for the 07 it has an off set plate to keep it away from the plastics and that the first thing to break.. i heard of a guy going down about 20mph and the off set plate snapped the motor mount bolt right out and trashed his bike!! here is the link i just ordered them and about to install ... i can send pic if need be... http://www.surfsidemoto.com/store/product/PMGPSRR.html

hey man have you seen the race railz for the 07 r1.... u have to cut a small piece of your bike to fit it but it is WELL worth it... it protects 10x more that a slider and for the 07 it has an off set plate to keep it away from the plastics and that the first thing to break.. i heard of a guy going down about 20mph and the off set plate snapped the motor mount bolt right out and trashed his bike!! here is the link i just ordered them and about to install ... i can send pic if need be... http://www.surfsidemoto.com/store/product/PMGPSRR.html Those look more suitable for stunting...

Those look more suitable for stunting... :iamwithst