I have the faster Red/White '02 R1. PCIIIR, Full BDE Hindle Race system with Graves Veloscity stacks. I put up a solid dyno run today.

I was told the BDE system is top notch, I can honestly say that after todays session it proves it. 148.8 HP 78.2 Torque.

The bike pulls so hard now I am going to have to put a smaller sprocket on it to keep it from comming up on me on so bad in second. I am not bragging, just stating the facts for you guys to check out. I dont know exactly what power other systems are handing out but I beat a Full Akro system by 2 HP today. Its all realitive but man, for anyone looking at buying a full system, you must consider Brock Davidsons Hindle system. Here is a link to his website. He is a world champ dragracer so he knows his stuff better than the average bear.http://www.brockracing.com/ (http://www.brockracing.com)

I was just so excited today by the sucess of this system I wanted to share it all with you guys. Good luck and tuning. Here are some scans of the dyno run.

Damn that's impressive #'s. now just hold on.

Here it is sitting on the dyno.

http://www.threedracing.com/forum/blakedyno.jpg

Here is the dyno chart. Sorry its so big, but I only have a digital camera so its not the best, but it works...

http://www.threedracing.com/forum/dynochart.jpg

I should clarify, that second run shown on there is the first time we tried it, I still had some map I downloaded off dynojets website for a full Graves System and Stacks... I figured I had nothing to loose by trying it... the bike ran like crap when I used the zero map that the PCIIIR comes preloaded with.

Now it rocks man... !

What do you guys think... talk to me here, I am pumped up !

WoW!!! Thats some power!

Makes me cry when I think of the damn slip-on I bought.
I think I'll have to get a full system and PCIIIR now

:rock :rock

Impressive...no big dips in your torque or HP curves either. Very nice. :rock

Must be a hell of a ride now....

Boy that curve looks good even down low.:thumbup

I don't suppose there was a run done proir to the mods to compare it to?? Regardless its still pretty impressive with the proper combination of bolt on mods.

BD

No, I never dyno'd it as it sat stock. I was to excited to bolt on the goodies !

Sweet. I'm going to be going down to that Olathe shop next Spring to have my Arata and PCIIIR dyno tuned. Hopefully by then I will also have velocity stacks and possibly an airbox.

If you dont mind me asking, What is it thats different about a Brock hindle system from a regular off the shelf hindle system?

well if i knew how to post the dyno chart of my r1 i would show u the gains i got verses stock. it was like 18 hp so if someone would instruct me as how to post it i will be more than glad to i have it saved on disk just can't get it too work!~

Very good #:rock

Very nice.....Now just get rid of that 2" chicken stripe on the edge of your tire....:fact

kwcomp- Brock Davidson is da man when it comes to tuning these machines. The thing you get when you buy his system is a full system substanially cheaper than you would for a full Akro or Graves you also get a map that he puts many hours of research into. He also changes things with the physical pipe, diameters of the tube and the packing and baffles in the can its self. You should email BDE for more technical info than that.

Aria929- Look closer, no chicken strips over here... LOL ! Although the dyno did eat away at the center of my tire...

Originally posted by throttle-cntrl
I have the faster Red/White '02 R1.
:lol :lol :lol

If your getting these numbers outta the red/white I should be able to pull 150 poinies outta my blue!

:lol :lol :lol

i can say that brock davidson is "known" in the world of dragracing and hayabusas. i think the R1 is a new thing for him (not sure??) but usually you get his maps with the exhaust and and technichal support to assist in getting down the 1/4 a little quicker. i have purchased a pipe for a hayabusa and used his maps with good results and have seen others do the same. i woud be very interested in seeing the fuel map. i would recommend it and his service....however i am only speaking of my experience with the hayabusa pipe i bought from him. (but it is a safe bet that if he is doing the R1 then it will be right). just my.02

Them # sound sweet.:thumbup I have a Graves PCIIIr and stacks. I would like more. Wish I had heard of Brock Davidson. I would of went with it. Do you think your map would help my bike out . We have no Dyno shop to make a map in my state ,closest is a 4hr ride. YES this sucks for us her. Could or would you email map to try or that pm thing thanks man. R1 Got to love them . :thumbup I would test It with my ass dyno. HA HA

i fi have it i will take i to the dyno and run the 1/4 and compare it. always looking for new ideas and or maps to try.

What kind of systems do you guys have ? shoot me an email r1abuser@kc.rr.com and I will see bout sending you the map.

L8R

and good luck.
Dan

Throttle-cntrl I have all Gaves but would like to try it out. Got to love the plug and play no jet no removing of carb ect 02 R1 is sweet to work on. I will e mail you .Thanks a lot . I will keep you posted on that it does too my bike

13.1 - 13.3

Does that sound right ? This was my first ever dyno run ever so that sounds right. I have another print out of an air fule ration and it shows a line a little wavy at first till it hits the 7 mark then is flat at 13.2 range all the way across till redline.

Let me know if you need to see a pic of it, I guess I could post it if you wanna see it.

I dont wanna stir much up here but how much HP do you guys with the full Akros pull down ? I have to ask... I am real curious. I know its all realitive but... I am still curious.

nothing wrong with being curious. i had a hindle on my r6 and loved it

I checked Akros website. They say 143 and Graves said 144.5

I wonder how much of mine was the veloscity stacks ya know... I wish I had more time there to like take the stuff apart and do a seperate run. All well...

Congrats Blake!!!!!!!!!!:rock

.......I knew when we raced last week, and you pulled 3+ bike lenghts on me in third:(, your bike was hauling ass!!!!!!!

Looks like the BD Hindle Pipe Might be in my future as well!!! Thanks for doing the R and D!!!!:fact

Thanks for the info,
Vinlsol

That's on a DynoJet dyno. I'd like to see what it puts out on a Eddy Current dyno. EC dyno's give true, real world, rear wheel HP #'s. Dynojets ESTIMATE crankshaft HP.

Had mine dyno'd on an EC997a friday night. 127.x (i forget what the decimal was). Right in line with the average '02 R1 with a couple small dips.

They compared my graph to one with velocity stacks, PCIII, and full Akro. That bike made about 5 more HP and had no dips. Perfectly smooth graph, which I'm told is mostly due to the velocity stacks.

throttle-cntrl: So how much different is this full system compared to the Ti race full hindle system. Does it still use the same alum header?.. Man thats some awesome gains...

Header & Mid pipe are TI. My can is Carbon but you can get it TI (Its 100 bucks cheeper actually) I just like the carbon because of the way it disipates the heat and is easier to keep clean. I guess back in the day Hindle had some issues with carbon cans cracking. They have since resolved the problem by utilizing top notch carbon materials, this is the reason for the extra expense if you choose a carbon canister. Mine is the 20", I believe 18" is another option.

What I have is the BDE Full Hindle Race system. BDE only sells the race systems, you cant get Brocks stuff in hi-mount. I guess the bend in the mid pipe takes away HP. That is the only bummer... I really wanted a hi-pipe but all well, I will settle for lots more HP anyday.

The header, mid-pipe (elbow) and muffler guts are all made from 22 gauge stainless steel (aircraft material). The weight of the system makes you beleive that it's made from titanium. The full system weighs between 8 and 9 pounds depending on the muffler sued. We offer 4 types of systems for the 2002-2003 Yamaha YZF1000R1. We offer a low street system and a high street system. The high street system is extremely high and is flush with the rear tail section. This system allows you to retain the rear passenger footpegs by using a spacer kit provided with the system. We also offer a low race system and a high race system. The high race system is not as high as the high street system but it is higher than stock. The reason for this is because we did not want to cramp the riders foot while racing. The low systems simply mount to the rear passnger footpeg, in the existing stock location. The difference between the race system and the street system is simply about 2 to 3 peak horsepower. Both systems are the same from 2000 RPM to about 9000 RPM, the race system will start to increase gradually all the way to redline. The race system uses a 2 1/4" elbow and the street system uses a 2" elbow. The high system does not produce less power than the low system. We also offer a low and high slip-on system made from the same 22 gauge stainless steel. I hope this information helps. Please contact your local dealer or check out www.brockdavidson.com or www.streetandcompetition.com

Lee Hindle:thumbup

I'm wondering the same thing, is there any difference between a hindle off the shelf?

throttle-control-

Is there any way you could email the map you used? I have the 02' with the PC3r, graves stacks, and Hindle Ti tapered race system. I used the map loaded off of the Dynojet site for the Graves system, stacks, and stock air filter. My bike seems to run great, and I raced at Putnam last weekend and it ate about everything up in the straights. I would like to try your map though. Mine is blue, so maybe I'll get the extra 2 ponies to see the magic 150 mark. Thanks.

Graves Veloscity stacks......What do they do and what are they.......Do you have a picture please.:iamwithst

Bombblast-
I posted a bunch of pics of my Veloscity stacks install in the tech section of the photos. I just did it recently so they should be towards the top. The stacks are a venturi (sp ?) and pretty much speed up the air as it passes from the air box to your throttle bodies. Ramming that much more air in to be burned. In theory giving you more air for more gas and a bigger explosion !

RkraftyR1-
I am at work right now but will shoot you over that map when I get home. Since this is not the offical BDE map then I can share it, although I did pay out some major bucks to get it developed. So you know... any donations appreciated ! Anyways, if one of you other three guys I sent the map read this... feel free to distribute among the Hindle guys. More HP the better... I am all for R&D and pulling everyones info together for better results. I learn all kinds of crap from this message board and its cool that I can now give back some. Oh yeah, the blue may hinder performance gains... I dunno.. LOL !

I got this response from http://www.brockdavidson.com/




First to Clarify:



The front section (from the engine to the Muffler) is constructed of an aerospace quality ultra-light stainless steel. Our standard Muffler is 20” Oval Titanium. The entire system weight is less than 8 lbs. (A titanium front section is not manufactured by Hindle….it would only be 1 lb lighter, prone to cracking and FAR more expensive.)



We also have a VERY high quality Carbon Fiber Muffler available for an additional charge. (1/4 lb. heavier)



Both our Carbon and Titanium mufflers are of a special proprietary construction (more hp across the entire range) and are not available through standard Hindle dealers.



We are a “race only” Hindle dealer. After we have Hindle construct a system to our specific race needs….we thoroughly dyno and track test the pipe. Most enthusiasts don’t realize that the map which makes the most power on the dyno does not necessarily allow the bike to accelerate it’s hardest on the track (or street).



This is where our drag race experience comes in to play. We use the drag strip to measure acceleration….nothing more. We realize that a machine like the R1 must pull hard from low rpms (such as exiting corners) as well as down the straights.

Our mapping knowledge takes over from here. We test the bikes on our model 250 Dynojet dyno with air fuel probe. Mainly on stock machines at first, then with different configurations (stacks, air-filters, tricks we have learned, etc.)



Our best Dynojet PCIIIr mapping is supplied (3 ½” floppy) with the system for stock engine applications. Future maps are made available to StreetSmart purchasers free of charge as they are developed.



Admittedly, The R1 project is in its infancy…..but, our initial results are typical.

We try to do our homework…and it shows.



The R1 StreetSmart Low System with 20” oval Titanium Can and mapping is available for $890.00 to your door. We pay shipping, insurance etc. The Carbon can option is an additional $125. The High system is also available for an additional



As an introductory special: we will take $50 off of the final price for R1 forum members and still pay shipping.



Our new on line store will be finished soon….until then, please call to order.



Thank you for your inquiry,

Brock

937-298-6818

"throttle-cntrl" i see your Veloscity stacks how much did they cost and where did you get them????????????

So thay are like a ram air type thing then.

I have never seen them in the UK, and one using them with a slip on and if so do you have a dyno print out?

Thanks BB

Man, I feel dumb ! That header was so light I just assumed it was TI. Whatever works...

The stacks are made by graves motorsports. I dont know thier website. I had my dealer order them up. They retail for 100 bucks I think. Yeah, they are to provide a little more air... I am also thinking this helped in providing such a smooth power curve. Although, I honestly have no expirence with tuning these bikes. This is my first one so all this is my opinion taken from what I have read on this board. I have had good results though as the dyno shows. Oh yeah, install was a snap. Take out the stock (shorter stacks) and put in the new ones with a little sealant.

Hope that helps bro.

The Graves stacks are not like forced ram-air induction in the true sense of the word. They simply improve the draw efficiency of the inner two cylinders (#2 & #3). I have them on my stock '02 R1, but plan to add a slip-on and PC soon. They are well worth the $100 or so.

Can i get them for my MK 2 R1??????????????????? and where from.

I'm in rip of England remember.

Here ya go....

Remember they are located in the US on the west coast if you call.

www.gravessport.com
sales@gravesport.com
1-818-902-3821

BD

Thank you:thumbup

Dan,

It makes me feel good to see so many guys interested in the Hindle race system. I feel like an innovator since I was the first to try, and then turn a couple of you guys onto it. Now it's "blossoming" and everybody's wanting to know more about it.

Have fun everybody!

After you get that big HP from your new Hindle race system, then contact me for some gearing secrets and find out how fast these bikes really are!

:thumbup

I know... LOL ! Hey, I ordered up my sprocket already ! I never figured I would be going down in the rear.

Hey "Throttle-cntrl" where in KC do u live? I live within 3 miles of Olathe Sushi.

I live out in Lees Summit... about 50 Hwy & Todd George Rd...

I've been wanting to ditch my Micron slip-on for a Hindle full Ti, this just makes me want one even more

What's that ugly looking bike in the background?

Throw that micron on ebay bro... heck thats half your money for the full system !

Your#'s are real good :thumbup . But I'd be careful saying that it it beat out the akra system bike by 2 hp unless it also had similar mod's (stacks). Your exhaust alone may not of actually have beat out the other manufacturer's.

Does anyone with an Akro have any dyno sheets... I would like to compare them some... it would be really cool if someone had the full Akro or a full graves with the stacks post up a dyno sheet. Let the numbers speak for themself ya know. I guess it dont really matter though.

Dan,

You can go over to www.yzf-r1forum.com and they've got a page of dyno sheets.

Keep in mind that not all dynos read the same. It's the net gain that's important. I believe that most dynos out there are reading high!

When dealing with dynos, the proper was to compare exhaust systems or any kind of modifications is to do back to back runs on the same dyno with the same bike. It's even a good idea to have the same person doing the runs. Comparing dyno runs from different dynos or different bikes is really pointless. Yamaha is not creating the exact same bike everytime. During the design stage of our pipes, we do numerous runs the same day on the same dyno with the same bike and also do pipe comparisons against our proven competitors. Dynos are great but they are not perfect. Every bike is different and the environment is different for different areas and on different days. Be careful in putting so much importance on dyno numbers.

Lee Hindle

Spoken by the authority...Lee Hindle. I've got the Hindle full tapered race system, and I didn't need a dyno to see the power they put out. Two weekends ago at Putnam Park Raceway, I passed everything in the straights, including a 02' R1 with a Akra system on it. Head to head, nothing but 1/4 mile straight, and open throttle, it feels like you are slingshotted past guys when you pass em'. BIG power.

well on a r1 that i did i got 18 hp gain with full akra, pcIIIr, custom map, mods to stock air box. and i did it all the same day on the same dyno and that is stock to finish 18hp gain. i also did one with a full graves and it put out the same gain as the akra but it had two dips in it i could not get out and i think it is due to the design in the pipe. that is just my .02 worth.

heres my dyno run, akra evo, velocity stacks. I live in the NC mountains and took my bike to Charlotte to have it tuned. The tuner said he tuned my bike a tick on the lean side so that when i got it home it run optimum, he was right on, the bike runs perfect at 3200 feet above sea level.

Originally posted by yohan
I live in the NC mountains and took my bike to Charlotte to have it tuned.
Where in Charlotte did you go? I live about 15 miles north of the queen city, and I'm looking for a place to get dynoed.

Where the people there knowledgeable? Can you trust 'em? The reason I ask is because I've run into two dealers in the area that you can't trust.

Nice dyno chart by the way...no dips or anything. Looks very solid. How does it feel?

Where in Charlotte did you go? I live about 15 miles north of the queen city, and I'm looking for a place to get dynoed.

its on the top of the dyno sheet. Lee really seemed to know what he was doing. It is a perfpormance shop, so thats pretty much all they do.

the bike feels real strong and seems to never run out of breath. the power is so smooth it is very decieving. you exit one corner and before you know it you better be on the brakes hard so you can make it through the next corner---I love it.

Originally posted by yohan
its on the top of the dyno sheet.
Duhh...I'm such an idiot. I should have seen that...thanks for the info though! How much did the dyno and tuning co$t?

I'll be going over there as soon as I have a full system and velocity stacks. The stacks should be on the way, and I got an email from Rob at Devilbikes the other day telling me that the headers should be at his shop next week. I'm still debating whether to get the Devil headers to complete a full system with my Devil slip-on, or if I should go with an Akra, Graves, Yosh, or Hindle full system and sell the Devil. Right now I'm leaning towards staying with Devil because I already have half of the system and Rob said he'd give me a good discount on the headers. Decisions, decisions....:D

hahahha.... I was looking at the first picture thinking... Man that place looks familiar... hahaha... Then i scrolled down and saw Olathe suzuki....:D

Good Numbers by the way.......

Last year i had my 98 zx9 up there... Full D&D jetted... Pulled 132hp

Right before my run a GIXXER 1000 put up 153hp with just a ti-force slip-on and remap.....:confused: I was emberassed when my 9 only made a measily 132


I will be running my stock 01 R1 up there in a few weeks... then adding my Full muzzy system/ivans jet kit/ K&N with ivans airbox mod and see what the difference is.

I have found that the dyno in olathe is real consistant with others. Its a nice number. Not too high and not too low.


I will let you know how your 02 compares to the 01 on the same dyno.....

later,
beau

We have a low system in stock. We also have more high and low systems on the way.

The response from the R1 world caught us by surprise!



Call if you have questions,

Brock

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The front section (from the engine to the Muffler) is constructed of an aerospace quality ultra-light stainless steel. Our standard Muffler is 20” Oval Titanium. The entire system weight is less than 8 lbs. (A titanium front section is not manufactured by Hindle….it would only be 1 lb lighter, prone to cracking and FAR more expensive.)







We also have a VERY high quality Carbon Fiber Muffler available for an additional charge. (1/4 lb. heavier)







Both our Carbon and Titanium mufflers are of a special proprietary construction (more hp across the entire range) and are not available through standard Hindle dealers.







We are a “race only” Hindle dealer. After we have Hindle construct a system to our specific race needs….we thoroughly dyno and track test the pipe. Most enthusiasts don’t realize that the map which makes the most power on the dyno does not necessarily allow the bike to accelerate it’s hardest on the track (or street).







This is where our drag race experience comes in to play. We use the drag strip to measure acceleration….nothing more. We realize that a machine like the R1 must pull hard from low rpms (such as exiting corners) as well as down the straights.



Our mapping knowledge takes over from here. We test the bikes on our model 250 Dynojet dyno with air fuel probe. Mainly on stock machines at first, then with different configurations (stacks, air-filters, tricks we have learned, etc.)







Our best Dynojet PCIIIr mapping is supplied (3 ½” floppy) with the system for stock engine applications. Future maps are made available to StreetSmart purchasers free of charge as they are developed.







Admittedly, The R1 project is in its infancy…..but, our initial results are typical.



We try to do our homework…and it shows.







The R1 StreetSmart Low System with 20” oval Titanium Can and mapping is available for $890.00 to your door. The High Titanium System is also available for $940.

The Carbon can option is an additional $125.



We pay ground shipping, insurance etc.



Additionally, All StreetSmart purchasers also receive discounts on other BDE performance related components. (Example: a Dynojet PC3r for the 02 R1 complete with the BDE R1 track map installed is : $315 )







As an introductory special: we will take $50 off of the final price for R1 forum members and still pay shipping.







Our new on line store will be finished soon….until then, please call to order.







Thank you for your inquiry,



Brock



937-298-6818

Originally posted by yohan
The tuner said he tuned my bike a tick on the lean side so that when i got it home it run optimum, he was right on, the bike runs perfect at 3200 feet above sea level. Except that your '02 R1 already compensates for altitude changes so your tuner does not need to lean out the bike.

So, your bike is still running a bit lean if it was running a bit lean on the dyno.....

Scott

Sweet, this thread got bumped back up again... he he...

You guy´s just need a Turbo & Intercooler mounted.:jump check this out: http://www.bikepics.com/pictures/26924/

Sweet, paypal me 4 grand and I will install it ! ha ha...