07 R1 Glitches - Throttle lag

Picked up the 07 yesturday, rode it home all is good. Park it once home and start drooling, get ready to go for a ride about an hour later start it let it warm back up. Sitting there idling as I get my gear on blip the throttle and it dies glitch #1. Crusing down the road 55-60 throttle it nothing happens for split second and poof there it goes happened three times already glitch #2-3. Any thoughts?

is there a way to check the settings on the fly by wire throttle? ie adjust it?

The only thing the manual shows to adjust are the cables, nothing else. Slack on the cables are still within spec to the manual.

i would wait for other owners to post, it might take longer than it did in the past for the fly by wire to engage. I know r1lover said it's going to take some time to get use to the fly by wire.

I was kinda thinking the same thing about the FBW, but it only has done it a handfull of times, and at other times has been very responsive. Just a FYI the 03 definitly has way more low end grunt than the 07 for anyone curious. Took them both out today to feel the difference. Anyway i'm hijacking my own thread. Carry on any other thoughts?

I have about 150 Miles on mine and I have also had the same problems that you are having. I was riding it around the Apt complex and blipped the throttle at low speed and it cut-out on me. It also cut-out while pullin in the clutch at low speed and blippin the throttle. The highway issue was around the 60mph and it has happened twice. I was tryin to explain it to my buddies who were with me but they thought I was mistaken. I knew that I rolled on the throttle but it just stayed there and then it finally decided to accelerate. They had convinced me that it was my gloves just slippin or something. Im glad to see that I am not the only one with some issues so far. I like it so far. I just sold my 04 for this one so I am pleased. There seems to be more power from what I have ridden. I talked to my dealer about the two issues already and he said we will have to wait and see. Like waiting for me to crash and see how I go ape shit on his ass I guess. Keep me informed if you can on the outcome of your issues. Thanks. Eric

price you pay for buying the 1st gen of a remodel.

I have about 150 Miles on mine and I have also had the same problems that you are having. I was riding it around the Apt complex and blipped the throttle at low speed and it cut-out on me. It also cut-out while pullin in the clutch at low speed and blippin the throttle. The highway issue was around the 60mph and it has happened twice. I was tryin to explain it to my buddies who were with me but they thought I was mistaken. I knew that I rolled on the throttle but it just stayed there and then it finally decided to accelerate. They had convinced me that it was my gloves just slippin or something. Im glad to see that I am not the only one with some issues so far. I like it so far. I just sold my 04 for this one so I am pleased. There seems to be more power from what I have ridden. I talked to my dealer about the two issues already and he said we will have to wait and see. Like waiting for me to crash and see how I go ape shit on his ass I guess. Keep me informed if you can on the outcome of your issues. Thanks. Eric I just read the R1 test in Roadracing world and Chris Ulrich mentioned having the same problem. " Picking the R1 up off idle I noticed a slight delay in the throttle response; if the throttle was controlled by cables I could easily blame poor fuel injection mapping, but according to Yamaha, the closed loop YCC-T system allows for optimal engine mapping, so that theoretically rules out the map. Another possible cause could be the fly-by-wireYCC-T system lagging from the time I opened the throttle on the handlebar and when the servo actuated the butterflies, or it could just be the map, theory or not. The main point is that there was a delay from the time I opened the gas until the R1 started reacting"

once people get customs maps then you'll know if it's the map or fly by wire throttles...

I smell sticky thread soon...

I smell sticky thread soon... probably...I hope it doesn't turn into a major issue.

hope i dont have the same problems... Isn't this a warantee issue? bring it back to the dealer and see what they say. They will probably come out with a TSB thingy for it.

price you pay for buying the 1st gen of a remodel. I hear where you are coming from but if its down to the FBW thats already spent 12 months on the R6.

No problems for me...

Keep my 05.............and a K7 will soon be beside it. Sell the one I dont like as much.

Hopefully this issue will have an easy fix. Always a risk when you buy a first year bike. However, I am surprised because Yamaha has already used the system on the R6 so one would think they'd be able to implement it on the R1 with no problems. I'm hoping my K7 has no issues..... If I had to bet on which new '07 bike would have the most problems I put my $$ on the 1098 because it's COMPLETELY new. The R1 and the K7 are "new" but they're actually just upgraded.

No problems here, I think you will just need to ride the bike and get used to the FBW...... it reacts differently then a normally controlled bike... There is some limiting of the power in the lower speed range from what I can tell so far. If you are babying it around during break in you will notice this more. I personally don't think there is an issue with mine, but in the lower speeds you can tell it's watching out for you. Open it up and drive it normally and I have nothing but great things to say about it. This new system will likely have some bugs to work out, but those of you saying the 03 has more bottom end are not operating the bike properly... lol Keep in mind that this bike is computer controlled and limited in the lower range. This helps make this bike one of the smoothest bikes I have ridden. Time will tell for sure, but these are my opinions from riding mine.

No problems here, I think you will just need to ride the bike and get used to the FBW...... it reacts differently then a normally controlled bike... There is some limiting of the power in the lower speed range from what I can tell so far. If you are babying it around during break in you will notice this more. I personally don't think there is an issue with mine, but in the lower speeds you can tell it's watching out for you. Open it up and drive it normally and I have nothing but great things to say about it. This new system will likely have some bugs to work out, but those of you saying the 03 has more bottom end are not operating the bike properly... lol Keep in mind that this bike is computer controlled and limited in the lower range. This helps make this bike one of the smoothest bikes I have ridden. Time will tell for sure, but these are my opinions from riding mine. Mr. Forum police, I think the R1 limiting the power in the lower speed range is different from it cutting off completely after blipping. I wonder if it's stalling due a glitch in the YCCI. Considering this has happen multiple times one 2 bikes so far I think it's something to look into.

Mr. Forum police, I think the R1 limiting the power in the lower speed range is different from it cutting off completely after blipping. I wonder if it's stalling due a glitch in the YCCI. Considering this has happen multiple times one 2 bikes so far I think it's something to look into. I agree that it might be something to look into, but you need more than 2 ( or a handful of ) bikes to come to that conclusion. :fact :yesnod

I agree that it might be something to look into, but you need more than 2 ( or a handful of ) bikes to come to that conclusion. :fact :yesnod Agreed. But there's really only a handful of people on here with the bike. It'll be a little while before we know if there is a real issue.

There are hundreds of bikes out there already...... I think it's just a few noobs... :lol :lol :lol

You're absolutely right! There are hundreds of '07s on the street now but how many of their owners are members of this forum? Only a handful so if they're having any issues none of us would know about it.

Well two people have got the attention of this whole site... :lol I would not consider two people having a similar problem as issue.

Well two people have got the attention of this whole site... :lol I would not consider two people having a similar problem as issue. It may not be an issue for you but it is an issue for them. The fact of the matter is when you "blip" the throttle it should not die. If it is only happening to a few bikes, that is a good thing for those that are not having the problem. But by no means should it be ignored by those that it has happened to.

I would hardly consider myself a newbie, I have been riding streetbikes for a minimun of 15 years on the street and track. This is'nt a "issue" yet but from what I can tell and I have aprox. 100 miles on the bike so far it is going to be. My bike is #806 in the country at this time so yes the number of bikes out is limited right now, so we shall see if it becomes an issue later when the masses have this machine. I was just conveying what I have noticed with the bike thus far, and seeking opinions from others.

Hey guys, dont worry bout it. This is not going to be a FBW deal. What is being described here is consistent with the FI set-up and can be improved with proper tuning. Many of the K5 GSXR1000s (including mine) died exactly this behavior being described when they left the factory. The problem likes in the air screw settings (the idle mixture) and the EPA tuning to make them run EPA friendly at idle. They are basically super lean. Setting the idle mixture and making sure the TPS is set up properly (they effect one another) should clear this up. Yes they should not leave the factory in this state of tune, but you can thank the EPA Nazi's. Someone who has the tech manuals will have to dig up the procedure, but dont use the factory settings. On the Gix, the factory setting was up to 1/4 turn out, but the tune that worked was about 2 full turns out. The bikes no longer die at idle and the blips at the bottom where no longer 'fluffy'.

It may not be an issue for you but it is an issue for them. The fact of the matter is when you "blip" the throttle it should not die. If it is only happening to a few bikes, that is a good thing for those that are not having the problem. But by no means should it be ignored by those that it has happened to. I don't think the bikes are dying or stalling, just lagging in regards to the throttle. My bike feels fine.

Oh...and if anyone adjusts their mixture...keep in mind that the TBs have to be re-synched. just turning them out can result in less than ideal results if you dont make sure they are all synched

When at idle and I blipped the throttle yes it died, I had to restart it. Going down the highway no I don't think it died pursay but it definitly had a throttle lag time.

My bike is getting a pcIIIusb from the get go.....my 02 R1 was much nicer, more responsive etc with it and no other mods A pcIIIusb can make even a stock bike feel much better imo

Hey guys, dont worry bout it. This is not going to be a FBW deal. What is being described here is consistent with the FI set-up and can be improved with proper tuning. Many of the K5 GSXR1000s (including mine) died exactly this behavior being described when they left the factory. The problem likes in the air screw settings (the idle mixture) and the EPA tuning to make them run EPA friendly at idle. They are basically super lean. Setting the idle mixture and making sure the TPS is set up properly (they effect one another) should clear this up. Yes they should not leave the factory in this state of tune, but you can thank the EPA Nazi's. Someone who has the tech manuals will have to dig up the procedure, but dont use the factory settings. On the Gix, the factory setting was up to 1/4 turn out, but the tune that worked was about 2 full turns out. The bikes no longer die at idle and the blips at the bottom where no longer 'fluffy'. I agree here 100% & I didn't mean any disrespect by the noob comment. (whoops :lol) Like said above most bikes these days are setup too lean from the factory. This would be the result you will get from that condition.

I am kinda curious if a remap with a PC would take care of this problem. If so then it would be no big deal cause 90% of people customize these bikes anyways.

I have the 06 R6 and the FBW has never had any issues?? :secret: Strange that it would be a issue on the R1 isnt the FBW the same on the R1? I cant tell the difference on the FBW or the cable to be honest

:corn No problems w/ that, but mine had a hard time starting up a couple times.

Well, I dont know what else to say except that mine is going to be making its way back to the dealer up here in Seattle. Being to lean is common to most bikes we see from the factory but to stall at low RPMs is a little much. The glitch at highway speeds are a random accurance for me but it has been twice so far in a little over a 100 miles. Thats one to many times for me. You can call me a noob all you want and think what you may. I am just stating the issues that I have had so far. I hope that all of your bikes run fine and are not having any of the problems that I have noticed and one other rider in here. Thanks for your comments though. Eric

My nissan altima3.5 has the fbw, I know it's not the R1 but several altima owners had this same problem with hesitation when applying the throttle. Nissan released a TSB to fix the problem, it was just a new download to the computer - fixed. You 07 guys might need the same thing.

isnt the FBW the same on the R1? I cant tell the difference on the FBW or the cable to be honest Actually, no. The YCC-T on the R1 is supposed to be a more advanced system than the one on the R6, measuring twistgrip position more often (1000 times/second) than the YCC-T on the 600.

I know on the New FZ1's there is a problem that that have dubbed "throttle snatch" Basically the injectors shut off when you close the throttle, then when you re-open it, voltage has to make its way back to the injectors before they will fire, causing a noticeable delay and consequently, a harsh snatch. Pretty dangerous. This is a huge issue, and has been brought to the attention of Yamaha, who has done nothing. A guy named Ivan developed a cure and is selling it with great success. Maybe the problem carried over to the one?

No disrespect taken R1LOVER, just letting you know i've been around the block a time or two. Would taking it back to the dealer so soon do any good, do you even think Yamaha has clue or a fix for the problem yet. Dealers are just now getting them in let alone work on totally new redesigned animal. Just curious. Hey is'nt Wheatman a pro Nissan tech, maybe he can fix the problem.

No disrespect taken R1LOVER, just letting you know i've been around the block a time or two. Would taking it back to the dealer so soon do any good, do you even think Yamaha has clue or a fix for the problem yet. Dealers are just now getting them in let alone work on totally new redesigned animal. Just curious. Hey is'nt Wheatman a pro Nissan tech, maybe he can fix the problem. Ya wheat is a nissian tech.... lol Honestly if mine was doing this I would run a couple of tanks of gas through it, then see how it runs. Sometimes a little break in is all it needs. Everything is still new and yes it should work correctly but sometimes things happen. The biggest issue with a dealer on a new issue is the first step they take is to check the TSB's, well being a new bike there are none.... so it will take a little time. If you have a very good shop they may be able to find something but again this bike is new to everyone and there will be a learning curve for all. Also, make sure all of you are running 91 octane... just a reminder

NOW i know why i wanted to wait till 08 :) To all your 07 owners havin trouble, sorry bout ur luck...

I have approximately 250 miles on my 2007 R1, and did my first aggressive backroad riding with it today. While I won't give a full first ride report now, I will tell you that I am having somewhat of a difficult time adjusting to the YCC-T. Throttle response is more abrupt than a conventional cable-actuated system, and the twistgrip must be turned much further than the twistgrip on my 2005 R1 in order to achieve the same throttle opening. Revs also fall off faster. These factors, when combined with the fact that the transmission is not broken in yet and is still clunky, have made it difficult for me to shift smoothly with the new bike, which has been quite frustrating for me, given that I have become proficient enough at shifting my 2005 R1 (and other bikes with conventional throttles, for that matter) that a passenger would think it was an automatic tranny. I have also noticed that, for some reason, power is limited at partial throttle openings at lower RPM. Don't know if this is mapping for emissions or a YCC-T glitch. When you apply more throttle, it seems to respond. (Sorry I can't be more specific at this time) Unfortunately, I have also definitely noticed the glitch where there is a delay or lag time between twisting the grip and the throttle being opened. I noticed it in second gear while trying to get drive off a corner. I twisted the grip, and there was a definite, perceptible lag. Don't get me wrong: I love my new bike. The engine definitely has more steam at all RPM's, and the suspension is sprung more for my weight (215 LBS w/gear). Steering is more accurate, and damping is better. It rides better. It sounds better. The words that come to mind: Confidence Inspiring. However, I must be honest. I may change my mind about this, but as of right now, I am not liking this YCC-T. I've spent some time on all 3 2006 Japanese literbikes, which all have stellar throttle response in my opinion, with the Suzuki standing out as the best, with its dual throttle valves and dual injectors. As far as I'm concerned, Mr. Yamaha has some tweaking to do on this E-Throttle. It doesn't even match up to the conventional system on my 2005 R1. I think this is similar to the first generation of fuel injection systems when the came on the scene in the late 90's. A lot of them were like on-off switches compared to carbs. But eventually they fixed them, and now, very few sportbikes are still made with carburators. Hopefully Yamaha will come out with some software updates. If not, hopefully a Power Commander can remedy the situation. Cause right now, I just can't see myself getting used to the abruptness of it, and the rubber-band like response.

I know on the New FZ1's there is a problem that that have dubbed "throttle snatch" Basically the injectors shut off when you close the throttle, then when you re-open it, voltage has to make its way back to the injectors before they will fire, causing a noticeable delay and consequently, a harsh snatch. Pretty dangerous. This is a huge issue, and has been brought to the attention of Yamaha, who has done nothing. A guy named Ivan developed a cure and is selling it with great success. Maybe the problem carried over to the one? It would be current flow that makes the injectors fire. Current flows at nearly the speed of light. If you can detect this delay, you've got mad skillz. There's something else that's causing this. What's Ivan's cure?

Considering the fact that when you ride your desitny rides in your right hand I'd say this is a huge issue! The best racers are extremely sensitive with their throttle control...sounds like this is next to impossible with the new R1 in stock form. This needs to be brought to Yamaha's attention and they need to do something about it before it causes somebody to crash. Throttle response, brakes and steering are 3 things you don't just "ignore". In my opinion a throttle that lags when you twist the grip is just as bad as squeezing that brake lever and the brakes lag...obviously extremely dangerous.

Considering the fact that when you ride your desitny rides in your right hand I'd say this is a huge issue! The best racers are extremely sensitive with their throttle control...sounds like this is next to impossible with the new R1 in stock form. This needs to be brought to Yamaha's attention and they need to do something about it before it causes somebody to crash. Throttle response, brakes and steering are 3 things you don't just "ignore". In my opinion a throttle that lags when you twist the grip is just as bad as squeezing that brake lever and the brakes lag...obviously extremely dangerous. Stirring the pot again huh :lol :lol I think we all need to take the bikes back to the dealer and start a cult against them. lmao

Stirring the pot again huh :lol :lol I think we all need to take the bikes back to the dealer and start a cult against them. lmao I'm not trying to stirr anything up. Can you honestly say you'd have no problem with your throttle lagging? Lets see...you're on riding on the track or street you're almost at max lean angle you hit your apex (if you didn't miss it due to your lagging throttle) you start to slowly twist the throttle so you can get a good drive out of the corner...only nothing happens for a second then you get a surge of power. What's going through your mind as you're flying through the air because of the highside?

I rode mine today for the first time, No glitches at all for me. The FBW system works Flawless on mine...I will let you guys know if it does though...

I rode mine today for the first time, No glitches at all for me. The FBW system works Flawless on mine...I will let you guys know if it does though... Sweet G!! Did you get a good ride in today brutha?? PS....You lucky mo-fo!! :finger :lol

I'm not trying to stirr anything up. Can you honestly say you'd have no problem with your throttle lagging? Lets see...you're on riding on the track or street you're almost at max lean angle you hit your apex (if you didn't miss it due to your lagging throttle) you start to slowly twist the throttle so you can get a good drive out of the corner...only nothing happens for a second then you get a surge of power. What's going through your mind as you're flying through the air because of the highside? I have no issues at all...... I just took it out again to see if I could see what these guys are talking about.... nothing but pure smooth shifting pure performance... Not a flaw at all. Personally I think you should keep your opinions to yourself on this topic because you don't even have the bike so you have no clue what is going on. I think you are here just to stir the pot... So I'm done with you. Anyway the bike ran great again and I even tried to have a problem, but it just wasn't there :lol

I was kinda thinking the same thing about the FBW, but it only has done it a handfull of times, and at other times has been very responsive. Just a FYI the 03 definitly has way more low end grunt than the 07 for anyone curious. Took them both out today to feel the difference. Anyway i'm hijacking my own thread. Carry on any other thoughts? Thanks dude... You just saved me from selling my bike. Sux you guys are having some issues...

Thanks dude... You just saved me from selling my bike. Sux you guys are having some issues... Donnie..... two people.... lmao mine and wheats are flawless... :lol

Donnie..... two people.... lmao mine and wheats are flawless... :lolAnd Donnie, The torque is Awesome down low....:secret:

wheatman you also said you could bog it and it pulled like a gixxer engine...i think someone is exagerating a little bit on their posts about the bike. you bog any 1000cc then say it pulls like any other 1000cc engine and something is off and the critique goes out the window for me. just my .02 best real world critique i've heard so far is r1lover. good power, but will take some time to get use to the fbw. not that it's bad, but that it's definately different.

wheatman you also said you could bog it and it pulled like a gixxer engine...i think someone is exagerating a little bit on their posts about the bike. you bog any 1000cc then say it pulls like any other 1000cc engine and something is off and the critique goes out the window for me. just my .02 Wth hell does that mean? Think i'm Lieing????:confused:

wheatman you also said you could bog it and it pulled like a gixxer engine...i think someone is exagerating a little bit on their posts about the bike. you bog any 1000cc then say it pulls like any other 1000cc engine and something is off and the critique goes out the window for me. just my .02 best real world critique i've heard so far is r1lover. good power, but will take some time to get use to the fbw. not that it's bad, but that it's definately different. Typical gixxer lover answer :lol :lol :lol

yes i think you are wheatman if you're saying that you can bog the 07 r1 and have it pull harder then a working gsxr 1000cc. that's just not reality bro and imo a very exagerated critique. Not a gixxer lover either r1lover. if you bog a gixxer i know it won't pull as hard as a yami either :) no 1000cc is that much better than the rest. they are all pretty even in terms of power :) since they are all w/i 10hp or so that's saying you can "bog it" and loose less than 10hp. i wouldn't consider that bogging it and i would consider it hype if it was stated for any bike...r1, gsxr, cbr, etc. that's why i like your reviews r1lover, very neutral

three people yankin&bankin eluded to the fact of the throttle lag. I can't honestly say anything for the torque of the 04-06, but I do have an 03 to compare to. I tellin ya you twist the grip on the 03 from 3-4 grand ya better be hangin on. Not saying the 07 is a dead horse down low it just likes to be revved a little more. The 07's power is much smoother, comes on gradually until 8g's then hang on. I'm taking R1LOVERs advice and will wait and see as it's going to be getting cold again here in the ole Buckeye state. Come spring give the dealer a call and check up on TSB's. Waranty gotta ove it.

This new R1 will hand the gixxer it's arse on a tuning fork platter. :lol :lol

yes i think you are wheatman if you're saying that you can bog the 07 r1 and have it pull harder then a working gsxr 1000cc. that's just not reality bro and imo a very exagerated critique. Not a gixxer lover either r1lover. if you bog a gixxer i know it won't pull as hard as a yami either :) no 1000cc is that much better than the rest. they are all pretty even in terms of power :) since they are all w/i 10hp or so that's saying you can "bog it" and loose less than 10hp. i wouldn't consider that bogging it and i would consider it hype if it was stated for any bike...r1, gsxr, cbr, etc. that's why i like your reviews r1lover, very neutralI never said it pulled harder than a Gixxer engine, Where the hell did you get that? for you sure do critisize a bunch for someone that rides a 00 model. Don't believe what i say? I really could care less. I was doing low rpm pulls on it today and it has better torque down low compared to my 04, even with a tooth down it doesnt pull as hard as my 07...

"i could bog it at 5K and it pulled like a Gixxer Engine..." from your other thread :) that's good it pulls harder than the 04. i hope it does w/ the velocity stacks, but if you bog any 1litre i don't think it will pull as hard as any other one that isn't bogging. in terms of power all of these bikes are just too damn close nowadays. i take it you broke it in the fast way if you're already doing pulls :) that's only way to break it in hehe

corey he didnt mean it bogged as in it went booooooog, he meant he took the rpm's down to 5grand in top gear and gave it gas, which is a lower rpm and it pulled hard

Compared to my 04R1 and my 05zx10r, this 07 doesn't have ANY problems. I'm at the 700 mile mark (100+ miles past my second oil change) and loving it!

Compared to my 04R1 and my 05zx10r, this 07 doesn't have ANY problems. I'm at the 700 mile mark (100+ miles past my second oil change) and loving it! Damn bro, you are racking on the miles.... sweet

I know on the New FZ1's there is a problem that that have dubbed "throttle snatch" Basically the injectors shut off when you close the throttle, then when you re-open it, voltage has to make its way back to the injectors before they will fire, causing a noticeable delay and consequently, a harsh snatch. Pretty dangerous. This is a huge issue, and has been brought to the attention of Yamaha, who has done nothing. A guy named Ivan developed a cure and is selling it with great success. Maybe the problem carried over to the one? Turning the injectors off will not cause a jerky reopening. Injectors get very short, precisely timed pulses to fire them, the rest of the time, they are off. Turning the injector back on after one revolution or 400 revolutions has the same effect. Not saying that they don't have a problem, but it's something else.

700 miles? when did you get it? sounds like someone is gonna have a ton of miles by end of the upcoming season. fiveoh: 100% agree with you. they go on/off so often it wouldn't matter one bit. the map couldn't have issues, but i don't see it as having anything to do w/ the injectors either

Wheat/Corey: Something's being lost in the translation. When Wheatman says bog, he means a pull from low rpm. These bikes aren't carbed or 2-stroke, they don't "bog" in the old fashioned sense of the fuel mixture going out of whack and causing huge power loss.

My .02 on the dieing issue: As has been brought up, the mixture at and around idle can be lean and not provide as strong a safety net for falling rpms. When these engines are new there is more friction. This equates to higher load at a given rpm. When the rpms are dropping the extra friction causes them to fall faster, with a better chance of continuing to 0rpm. In the meanwhile, I would bump up the idle a few hundge. Once everything loosens up it should stop.

Wheat/Corey: Something's being lost in the translation. When Wheatman says bog, he means a pull from low rpm. These bikes aren't carbed or 2-stroke, they don't "bog" in the old fashioned sense of the fuel mixture going out of whack and causing huge power loss.Translation........Second gear at 5grand, twist the throttle...Improved torque over my 04. :fact

I picked mine up on Dec 2nd.

My .02 on the dieing issue: As has been brought up, the mixture at and around idle can be lean and not provide as strong a safety net for falling rpms. When these engines are new there is more friction. This equates to higher load at a given rpm. When the rpms are dropping the extra friction causes them to fall faster, with a better chance of continuing to 0rpm. In the meanwhile, I would bump up the idle a few hundge. Once everything loosens up it should stop. Right on. That is exactly the interim fix for the K5/K6 falling on its face down low or dying. It works nicely to stop em from dying, but if you have any kind of off idle stumble, it usually wont mask it completey. The thin margin on lean mixture means when the throttle places move they change in mixture cant be compensated for quickly enough with the amount of fuel the system had. keeping in mind that the mix ratio is constant, increasing the air will mean the ECU will command wider pulse timing to get the ratio back to whats been programmed. but with more in the system the throttle movement dont bring the ratio down to misfire levels or enough to make it die. The thing being confused may be these fueling problems with any kind of snatchiness. They are different but can be described in similar ways. A bike dying or stuttering isnt the same as snatch or lag though. Everyone has to remember these are production bikes and no 2 are the same. Some will work fine others may not have left in the same state of tune so may stumble here and there. I dont hear any real problem yet, all fixable if you have patience for it.

However, I must be honest. I may change my mind about this, but as of right now, I am not liking this YCC-T. I've spent some time on all 3 2006 Japanese literbikes, which all have stellar throttle response in my opinion, with the Suzuki standing out as the best, with its dual throttle valves and dual injectors. All 3 of the jap 1000's. Remind me again how many there are :D :D This is a good example of variation between bikes. Having owned a K1, K3, And K5 GSXR1000 I can say my K5 was by far the worst from a fueling standpoint. I spent many hours sorting it out (as good as it would get anyway). But I rode 2 others that were untouched and ran beatifully. Total luck of the draw. My 04 R1 when stock was nearly perfect and you would have sworn it was carbed except it did 'hunt' when crusing on the highway at 5K when it was near neutral throttle. Another EPA tune lean problem that solved itself when the PC3 went in. The thing is its very hard to compare cars to bikes as they are by nature much more responsive due to their low weight letting you feel every little thing the motor and FI is doing. You just dont see the EPA crap that is in cars being obvious till you reallly look for it or have driven a tuned car that has had a reflash. You gotta hand it to Yamaha. They did exactly as they did in 04. Beat all the other bikes to market so there was no base for comparison. Everyone should be glad that the guys buying now are talking about them so any issues can be sorted or there will a list of fixes come spring.

price you pay for buying the 1st gen of a remodel. Well, lets think about this....the R6 has the same technology that the R1 has with the throttle and I havn't heard of any problems with them. But if there was then Yamaha would have rethought the process for the YCC-T. So go :machineguyourself. Dont be mad the we want the best and newest's things fella.

maybe its a fluke occurrence...........

Right on. That is exactly the interim fix for the K5/K6 falling on its face down low or dying. It works nicely to stop em from dying, but if you have any kind of off idle stumble, it usually wont mask it completey. The thin margin on lean mixture means when the throttle places move they change in mixture cant be compensated for quickly enough with the amount of fuel the system had. keeping in mind that the mix ratio is constant, increasing the air will mean the ECU will command wider pulse timing to get the ratio back to whats been programmed. but with more in the system the throttle movement dont bring the ratio down to misfire levels or enough to make it die. The thing being confused may be these fueling problems with any kind of snatchiness. They are different but can be described in similar ways. A bike dying or stuttering isnt the same as snatch or lag though. Everyone has to remember these are production bikes and no 2 are the same. Some will work fine others may not have left in the same state of tune so may stumble here and there. I dont hear any real problem yet, all fixable if you have patience for it. Hey....what kind of bait you using on that hook....:1pok: I was trolling for something..... no one would bite. :lol I thought it would be all over Gixxer.com by now lmao All 3 of the jap 1000's. Remind me again how many there are :D :D This is a good example of variation between bikes. Having owned a K1, K3, And K5 GSXR1000 I can say my K5 was by far the worst from a fueling standpoint. I spent many hours sorting it out (as good as it would get anyway). But I rode 2 others that were untouched and ran beatifully. Total luck of the draw. My 04 R1 when stock was nearly perfect and you would have sworn it was carbed except it did 'hunt' when crusing on the highway at 5K when it was near neutral throttle. Another EPA tune lean problem that solved itself when the PC3 went in. The thing is its very hard to compare cars to bikes as they are by nature much more responsive due to their low weight letting you feel every little thing the motor and FI is doing. You just dont see the EPA crap that is in cars being obvious till you reallly look for it or have driven a tuned car that has had a reflash. You gotta hand it to Yamaha. They did exactly as they did in 04. Beat all the other bikes to market so there was no base for comparison. Everyone should be glad that the guys buying now are talking about them so any issues can be sorted or there will a list of fixes come spring. Very well said... :beer :beer This bait looks very tempting..and I'm hungry.......nah I wont take it. I really want to though :) I'm stepping away.....yes R1LOVER the new R1 is a very nice bike! And I mean that sincerely!:thumbup I know, it's tempting huh.... :) :beer

I rode my friends 07 R1 yesterday (90 miles) First of all the on/off throttle response of the 07 is terrilbe. There was two times when i gave it 3/4throttle..... but the engine did not respond! not at all! Nothing, nadda, it just kept going at the same speed. This is the only R1 I have had any complaints about, I absolutely loved my '99, '01, and '05. I am an R1 lover, but this one sucks. In all fairness maybe the one I rode had some "bugs" or a defective part. But It shouldn't for that price! I could not feel any more power up top, compared to my 05. If someone wanted to trade their new 07 for my well used 05, I'd keep the 05!

I rode my friends 07 R1 yesterday (90 miles) First of all the on/off throttle response of the 07 is terrilbe. There was two times when i gave it 3/4throttle..... but the engine did not respond! not at all! Nothing, nadda, it just kept going at the same speed. This is the only R1 I have had any complaints about, I absolutely loved my '99, '01, and '05. I am an R1 lover, but this one sucks. In all fairness maybe the one I rode had some "bugs" or a defective part. But It shouldn't for that price! I could not feel any more power up top, compared to my 05. If someone wanted to trade their new 07 for my well used 05, I'd keep the 05!You gave the same reveiw in my thread....Noted already.

Yeah, but the title of this thread is "07 glitches" And what I experienced was just that, an 07 glitch. I thought these guys should be aware also.

Yeah, but the title of this thread is "07 glitches" And what I experienced was just that, an 07 glitch. I thought these guys should be aware also.These 07s on the board are Not Broke in yet Friend........

My '01, '05 R1's didnt need to be "broken in" to run right! What I experienced was not a "break in" issue. I was cruising at 30mph in first gear, gave it 3/4 throttle, and held it there, expecting to accelerate quickly... I did not accelerate at all, looking down at my hand, throttle still at 3/4 open, I was shocked! The bike just kept cruising at 30mph! Then I let off, rolled on the gas again, and it accelerated instantly. Just as it should. I couldn't imagine having a knee down, rolling on to the gas, and having a YCC-t problem!

My '01, '05 R1's didnt need to be "broken in" to run right! What I experienced was not a "break in" issue. I was cruising at 30mph in first gear, gave it 3/4 throttle, and held it there, expecting to accelerate quickly... I did not accelerate at all, looking down at my hand, throttle still at 3/4 open, I was shocked! The bike just kept cruising at 30mph! Then I let off, rolled on the gas again, and it accelerated instantly. Just as it should. I couldn't imagine having a knee down, rolling on to the gas, and having a YCC-t problem!I for one have no issues with mine as you tell....If i do i'll let the Board know.

Sounds good wheat, im sure it was just a one off glitch, like those few '04 R1s that threw rods.

Pick up a copy of Road Racing World. 7 page write up on the 07 at Laguna! :rock And I quote "After 8 Laps I had to pull into the pits to make sure this was a Yamaha I was riding" :lol :lol Nothing but good things to say. He mentions a lag in the FlybyWire system but nothing he hadn't delt with on other bikes before.

Interesting... I really dont think that its "normal" either. I"m sure that safety protocol embedded in the ecu can be removed if the problem originate from it,of course. I"m making this a sticky and will monitor the net for a cure.

well ive had my 07 r1 for almost 2 weeks now and i have over 1100 miles on it...i was getting onto the highway with some friends tonight and i gave it a healthy dose of throttle as i pulled onto the on ramp and the bike didnt do anything then it started to go and kinda stopped again...then took off like a bat out of hell.....so now this makes what 3 bikes that have this "problem"....

All I can say about the Fz1 throttle snatch, is what I have been told by my good friend who owns one. He explained it to me the way I explained it to you guys. He has been on the boards since he got it trying to fix the problem and now that he purchased Ivan's fix, it's gone and the bike is perfect. I'm not sure of the fix or what it's called, you can prolly dig it up. I know it involves keeping voltage at the injectors the entire time the bike is running.

oohhh...come on 07 R1 owners....whats happen to our beloved 07 R1? is the throttle lag true??? now im in the process rebuilt my 05, because i hit a car, after finish i think i will sell it and change to 07, but read this therad make me pend my decision again....looks like K6 or K7 will be better....maybe.....

dont even think the 07 r1 is bad in any way....its 100% badass regardless of this small problem....

You don't have to come on over to the Suzuki camp just yet....if this is indeed a real problem (and it's starting to look like it is) there may be a very easy fix for it. On a side note I remember when the F-16 was first developed and it started the whole Fly By Wire craze. The F-16 had TONS of problems...they were falling out of the sky like rocks. I think some of them still are. Hopefully, Yamaha can get it all sorted out because it would be extremely embarrasing for them to have to recall the '07s and stick a traditional throttle on them. Maybe from now on they'll let Jeremy Burgess and Rossi do some R&D on the bikes before they release them? hahaha j/k But anyway '07 will also be the K7's first year so it's possible it could also have problems. But not as likely because Suzuki didn't add anything really super hightech. Just the rider changeable maps. I'm just saying those of you that are still planning to get a new R1 shouldn't jump ship just yet....

Called my dealer today to let him know of the issue at hand. He called me back 3 hours later and told me had a call into Yamaha and they were going to call him back. If anything comes of this I will keep you all informed.

Beleive it or not just got back off the phone with my dealer, Yamaha wants to have a look at it as soon as possible. Tech rep. for Yamaha mention throttle position sensor, or throttle bodies needing resynced. I would have thought seeing all the problems with previous gen. sensor they would have redesigned or found a different manufacturer.

mine is candy-red http://www.r3dsynergies.com/pictures/bike/small/416620-R1-028-12A.jpg

Called my dealer today to let him know of the issue at hand. He called me back 3 hours later and told me had a call into Yamaha and they were going to call him back. If anything comes of this I will keep you all informed. Beleive it or not just got back off the phone with my dealer, Yamaha wants to have a look at it as soon as possible. Tech rep. for Yamaha mention throttle position sensor, or throttle bodies needing resynced. I would have thought seeing all the problems with previous gen. sensor they would have redesigned or found a different manufacturer. Thanks for the update, keep us posted of your findings. what color 07 is having the problem? Maybe its just a certain color...hmmmm Blue is ok so far... ;)

My charcoal is fine

mine is candy-red http://www.r3dsynergies.com/pictures/bike/small/416620-R1-028-12A.jpg ARE you have a problem??? I asked what color was having the problem...

if you read this thread then you will know that i said "YES" i have this throttle lag problem...

for all you guys that arent having problems...i didnt have a problem during breakin...its only when you really get on the throttle...and i dont mean 6500rpm and lower..i mean get on it like its meant to be....full open throttle

for all you guys that arent having problems...i didnt have a problem during breakin...its only when you really get on the throttle...and i dont mean 6500rpm and lower..i mean get on it like its meant to be....full open throttle That's part of a real break-in! :secret: :sneaky :sing:

Could be the break in period; not breaking it in how it should be......babying it is not breaking neither is killing it.

i think its not how we break in...babying or hard break in wont cause this problem......cmon let we know how the result Slam.... waiting here....

if you read this thread then you will know that i said "YES" i have this throttle lag problem... Shyt, i hope your having a problem, especially with a CBR walking on ya... Or you need to learn how to ride...:sing:

i'm glad i saw this post cause i thought that lag was just me being crazy since it was my first r1. Glad to know I know when i feel a problem!!

All 3 of the jap 1000's. Remind me again how many there are :D :D I meant to say, All 3 of the other Japanese literbikes. As in the Suzuki GSX-R1000, the Kawasaki ZX-10R, and the Honda CBR1000RR. I own a 2005 R1. But thanks.

http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=185203 Lets wait if this is legit...

I have posted in other threads that I too have the same problem with my 07. It is not so much throttle lag but more like a bog that you would get from a two stroke. Complete loss of power until you let up and then twist the throttle again. It has happened about five times in 100 miles.

if you read that recall thread you will see that i called my dealership and they said there isnt a recall as of yet but for everyone that has problems should take their bike into the dealership so the dealers can contact yamaha about the issue and get a possible recall going....

I broke my in the way it says in the Yamaha manual. I changed the oil on time and didn't rev past 6.5k a lot (but I still did it :)) I am currently at 1K miles and have not had any problems regarding lag or engine response. Candy Red R1

if you read that recall thread you will see that i called my dealership and they said there isnt a recall as of yet but for everyone that has problems should take their bike into the dealership so the dealers can contact yamaha about the issue and get a possible recall going.... Someone jumped the gun and posted that.... I really don't think it's true.... :corn

I broke my in the way it says in the Yamaha manual. I changed the oil on time and didn't rev past 6.5k a lot (but I still did it :)) I am currently at 1K miles and have not had any problems regarding lag or engine response. Candy Red R1 I broke mine in the correct way, the opposite of what the book describes. I don't have any problems either.

Anyone heard anything useful yet ( taken to dealer and had problem resolved?) Mine is not due in to the dealer until first of the year (closed). If and when mine is corrected I wil post findings just curious so I can suggest to dealer what to look for.

Try this: Rev to about 5000 rpm in second gear, maintain that rpm then stomp on it. Rev to about 5500 rpm in second gear, maintain that rpm then stomp on it. Rev to about 6000 rpm in second gear, maintain that rpm then stomp on it. See if you notice a difference between the three....

FYI - There is no recall, or even a known issue at a dealer at this point.

Anyone hear from their dealers yet?

There are no more issues................. Run a tank of good gas through it and it's good to go.

the power delay, or hesitation while cranking the throttle, is a highly sophisticated way they figured out to have the ECU provide traction control? :sneaky :sneaky :sneaky :sneaky :sneaky :sneaky :sneaky Real Moto GP shit!!!!!!!!!1111

ok everyone....im sure you have all read my posts on the 07 r1 and ill say this.....the throttle lag is an issue, but perhaps its an intended issue because it only happens when i crack the throttle at lower rpm's....traction control? who knows... if you keep the rpm above oh say 3000 or so then crack it...i dont have any issues with throttle lag...maybe thats the way to resolve the issue??? *note* another local rider with a raven 07 r1 also has noted this "fix"

My bike never see's anything below5 unless it's stopped......... This is an r1 not a cruiser :lol :lol

I have posted in the other two threads about the glitch/issue/lag whatever we are going to call it. I know that I am still having some problems that shouldnt be there. When I roll on the throttle it just stays at the previous RPM and then all of a sudden the power rushes on as if I was takin off the line feathering the clutch. I happy for those that are not having the issue and all but the ones that are I know how ya feel. Mine is going to the dealer tomorrow so maybe I will have an answer by the begining of the year. If someone has an answer before hand please post it. Thanks. Eric

I have posted in the other two threads about the glitch/issue/lag whatever we are going to call it. I know that I am still having some problems that shouldnt be there. When I roll on the throttle it just stays at the previous RPM and then all of a sudden the power rushes on as if I was takin off the line feathering the clutch. I happy for those that are not having the issue and all but the ones that are I know how ya feel. Mine is going to the dealer tomorrow so maybe I will have an answer by the begining of the year. If someone has an answer before hand please post it. Thanks. Eric Will definitely look forward to hearing what your dealer says, as I'm still having the issue, knocking on the door of 1100 miles. The throttle lag got me into a bad spot yesterday while in the city. Maneuvered out to pass a car, and when I gave it gas......nothing for a second or 2. Went to full throttle, and it took its sweet time accelerating. I'll be able to do a more thorough evaluation Sunday when I ride over to the Arkansas Gap. To those who aren't having a problem: consider yourselves lucky; this thing is starting to annoy me.

Well I had mine looked at yesterday. I narrowed it down to second gear at 5500rpm. Any other gear or rpm its fine. It will do it almost every time. I had the service manager ride my bike with my instructions and it did it for him too. He called Yamaha while I was there and they acted like they had no clue. I wonder if everone else has the problem in second gear and only at 5500rpm. Let me know.

I have posted in the other two threads about the glitch/issue/lag whatever we are going to call it. I know that I am still having some problems that shouldnt be there. When I roll on the throttle it just stays at the previous RPM and then all of a sudden the power rushes on as if I was takin off the line feathering the clutch. I happy for those that are not having the issue and all but the ones that are I know how ya feel. Mine is going to the dealer tomorrow so maybe I will have an answer by the begining of the year. If someone has an answer before hand please post it. Thanks. Eric How many miles do you have on the bike and what gas are you running? Well I had mine looked at yesterday. I narrowed it down to second gear at 5500rpm. Any other gear or rpm its fine. It will do it almost every time. I had the service manager ride my bike with my instructions and it did it for him too. He called Yamaha while I was there and they acted like they had no clue. I wonder if everone else has the problem in second gear and only at 5500rpm. Let me know. Same question as above... How many miles and what Gas? and for the hell of it today when the ice thaws... I will test my bike in second gear at 5500rpms.

I will too! I'll drive a whole tank out in second gear, to see what happens. Post up what happens w/ everyone else's test.

How many miles do you have on the bike and what gas are you running? Same question as above... How many miles and what Gas? and for the hell of it today when the ice thaws... I will test my bike in second gear at 5500rpms. What octane gas do you have over there? It sounds like its way lower than UK.

i just took mine out today couldn't resist :sneaky as you can see the weather was great. my 07 runs excellent. from my experience, i have not had any problems.... for all the people that have not ridden one. this thing runs bad a$$!!! here are a few pics, thought i would share.....:thumbup http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/875/picture089uf8.jpg http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/664/picture083po9.jpg http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6646/picture091kv3.jpg

What octane gas do you have over there? It sounds like its way lower than UK. 87, 89, & 91 91 is what they say is the min for the bike.

I will too! I'll drive a whole tank out in second gear, to see what happens. Post up what happens w/ everyone else's test. Make sure you hold it steady at 5500rpm then twist the throttle. Be careful, once it took off and I wasn't expecting it. Second gear only for me. Also, 93 octane. I'm sure octane has nothing to do with it.

Hey Drex, theres no bike in that first picture but there is a nice pic of the mountains. Those mountains look familar, where is that? I hate to admit it but I did feel a bit of lag while riding around town once or twice. The worst was when it took about 1 second for me to get any response from the bike, other than that I really have had no problems with it but I guess one time is more than enough.

Make sure you hold it steady at 5500rpm then twist the throttle. Be careful, once it took off and I wasn't expecting it. Second gear only for me. Also, 93 octane. I'm sure octane has nothing to do with it. Ok, I need to back pedal here :lol I took out my bike this afternoon.... I taped the whole thing. I tried every gear and you are correct. There is an issue at 5500 RPM in 2nd gear only. I will post up the video for all to see..... and also send my dealer a link on Tuesday. It has never done it until I tried as I dont' normally cruise at 5500 rpm in 2nd gear. If I try it at 5000rpm it's fine, at 6000 rpm it's fine, but at 5500 rpm it has an issue for sure. I have a feeling this is going to be on every bike, but most people will lnot see until they try it at 5500 rpm in 2nd....

Ok, I need to back pedal here :lol OK, Sen. Kerry, let us know how it turns out. :lol Seriously, good luck to all of you affected by this. Spending 11K on a bike and having issues is frustrating, plus this sounds like a serious safety issue to me. I'm sure Yamaha will step up and do a recall.

Great, Now you guys got me curious. I'm going for a ride with a few people tonight. So I'm gonna have to try it. I'll post it up , when I get home.

OK, Sen. Kerry, let us know how it turns out. :lol Seriously, good luck to all of you affected by this. Spending 11K on a bike and having issues is frustrating, plus this sounds like a serious safety issue to me. I'm sure Yamaha will step up and do a recall. It's not a safety issue at all???? It just doesn't accelerate as fast as normal at this rpm in 2nd gear. It is an issue but not a safety one. more of a performance one.

I did the 5500 rpm in 2nd gear. same problem as I have had. I know that I have had it happen to me in 6th though but it isnt as consistent as the 2nd gear. I went to the dealer today and he saw the problem first hand. He has an appointment for my bike to come in on tuesday when all the technicians are back to work. Hoppefully it will get corrected finally.

I did the 5500 rpm in 2nd gear. same problem as I have had. I know that I have had it happen to me in 6th though but it isnt as consistent as the 2nd gear. I went to the dealer today and he saw the problem first hand. He has an appointment for my bike to come in on tuesday when all the technicians are back to work. Hoppefully it will get corrected finally. Yep, I bet you all the bikes will do it, just most people haven't tried that gear and rpm...

Finally believers! I took mine out today and tried the second gear roll on. That is the throttle lag I have been talking about, the only problem on mine it has happened in 4th and 5th gear also.

03R1FLAMMER Ive been a believer from the begining. I have had the problems in the higher gears also. It happened the first day I rode it home and it still does to this day. It makes no difference what gas I have in my bike. I always use the highest octane rating I can find. Seems like there is a little bit of engine ticking as well. Anyone else have that problem. I didnt have a single problem with my 04 and am kinda upset to have sold it to get this one. Hopefully they will resolve this soon.

Ok, I need to back pedal here :lol I took out my bike this afternoon.... I taped the whole thing. I tried every gear and you are correct. There is an issue at 5500 RPM in 2nd gear only. I will post up the video for all to see..... and also send my dealer a link on Tuesday. It has never done it until I tried as I dont' normally cruise at 5500 rpm in 2nd gear. If I try it at 5000rpm it's fine, at 6000 rpm it's fine, but at 5500 rpm it has an issue for sure. I have a feeling this is going to be on every bike, but most people will lnot see until they try it at 5500 rpm in 2nd.... I've had it happen in 3rd also; don't really know if it happens in higher gears, as I'm normally not driving out of corners in any gear higher than 3rd.......

Well I had mine looked at yesterday. I narrowed it down to second gear at 5500rpm. Any other gear or rpm its fine. It will do it almost every time. I had the service manager ride my bike with my instructions and it did it for him too. He called Yamaha while I was there and they acted like they had no clue. I wonder if everone else has the problem in second gear and only at 5500rpm. Let me know. I can confirm another who feels it in second at that rpm range... He mentioned it like 2 weeks ago. It's happened a couple times he says...

yea,,,, I went out and sure as Day 5500, in 2nd. Got the big Flat Spot. Curious as to what this is from. But it's not really an issue for me, I don't exit corners at that low of RPM. But it's still wierd. I bet a new Pcm and mapping will cure it. Not that you should have to do that :confused:

Just a guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a New Year's Day present from the EPA. Emissions regs. have gotten a lot more stringent, recently.

Can you guys swap the 07 throttle set up with a 04-06 set up?

Can you guys swap the 07 throttle set up with a 04-06 set up? The answer would be no, but WHY would you want to? This issue is by design I'm pretty sure..... Call it a squid protector if you will. It's not a safety issue and I would have never noticed it other than testing it.

Well, today We went out and put another 175 miles on the bike and never once felt the ( flat spot } So it posses no issue for me. This Bike does have some of the Smoothest power I have ever felt :rock

O.K!! Now I can honestly tell you that there is a lag that slvr6 stated. It is deffinately in second between 5000K and 55K. I personally never noticed this probably because I shift too early and/Or, blow way past the area Rpms! It is a re-occurring and duplicable issue. Do you guys want an appalogy? We, as riders, do have different driving habits and so forth. I applaud those who notice the lower speed stuff going on w/ there bikes. Now, Made to do this? I have no idea! I dont have a factory manual yet. Tracktion control? Someone care to fill me in!! I dont think it to be an issue w/ the power plant, but as mentioned above, can impose a problem of safety. Thusfar, passing and what not, have'nt been an issue. Owner's manual says to contact NHTSA and the Factory about safety issue's!! I wont be callin the NHTsa, but rather deal w/ the factory people. **** the dealer, they wont have a clue and nobody wants a downed timed ride sitting for nothing. I will make a call after the parties are over. Will see..............out!!

Same here, took it out today and every time I sat at 5.5k and gave it gas there was some lag. The longer I sat at 5.5k the longer the lag was with a max of about 1.5 seconds. No i don't normally see that rpm but chances are I will see it multiple time throughout the lifetime of the bike and the fact of the matter is that it shouldn't be there. I hope Yamaha gives everyone free PC3's. (Probably not but it's worth a try)

Well, today We went out and put another 175 miles on the bike and never once felt the ( flat spot } So it posses no issue for me. This Bike does have some of the Smoothest power I have ever felt :rock If you try it in second gear..... cruise to exactly 5500 rpm.. sit there for a few seconds and then hit it....... you will see it. :fact

I hope this is sorted very soon as I am waiting to buy one as soon as they are released in Australia, which will be in 2 weeks time........

You know, I am wondering if this glitch is being caused by the same software/mapping that is responsible for the power being somewhat limited in first and second gear, or whether it is even related. It may be something that can be remedied with a Power Commander or a separate unit such as the Ivan's Timing Retard Eliminator (TRE) commonly used on the GSX-R1000. It's widely known that the GSX-R1000's timing is retarded by a percentage (I think it's 13%) in first and second gear from the factory. But it didn't take long for Ivan's to release a fix for it. The TRE works by fooling the Gixxer's ECU into thinking the bike's in 4th gear all the time. Hence the gear position indicator reading 4th all the time on bikes equipped with the TRE. I don't know the in's and out's of how the Yamaha's power limitation in 1st and 2nd works yet, but I'm sure it won't be long before someone comes out with a way to defeat it.

My wings are clipped for the winter. I hope this issue will be sorted out prior to April.

Man, sorry to hear this is a problem. Definately sounds like a different deal now that the specific behavior has been defined. Good luck, hopefully there is some easy fix versus it being a 'feature'

i only have 70 miles on mine (WAY to cold to be riding around here lol) but so far havnt noticed any gliches, well mainly i wasnt looking for any either, if i get a chance to take my bike out tomorrow, ill see if i can mimik what you guys are experiancing. well actually, one thing i noticed, i dont know if this is normal or not but i noticed that on a cold start it takes about 8-9 turn overs before it fires up. now this is my first full injected bike i have owned my other bike was a 93 fzr600r. so im not sure if this is common, also im not giving it any throttle which shouldnt matter because its fuel injected lol

This is why I would not trust a fly-by-wire throttle. That makes me have second thoughts on getting an 07. Didn't fly-by-wire originate on military aircraft? If anyone knows anything about military aircraft, it's that they ALWAYS break and require around the clock maintenance in order to even get things to work half of the time. I have over 1000 hours of flight time in an H-60 helicopter, and I can honestly say that in at least half of those flights, SOMETHING didn't work right in the helo, or you had to bang on it to make it work. I mean that literally too. In one helo, the FLIR (forward looking infra red) wouldn't come up on the pilot's display, and the fix was to hit the FLIR breaker box with a wrench every time we started it up. The thing with military aircraft is that everything that has anything to do with keeping you alive has dual-redundancy, so if the main component doesn't work, you at least have a back up to help you out. What back up is there on the fly-by-wire on a motorcycle? ***** that!

This is why I would not trust a fly-by-wire throttle. That makes me have second thoughts on getting an 07. Didn't fly-by-wire originate on military aircraft? If anyone knows anything about military aircraft, it's that they ALWAYS break and require around the clock maintenance in order to even get things to work half of the time. I have over 1000 hours of flight time in an H-60 helicopter, and I can honestly say that in at least half of those flights, SOMETHING didn't work right in the helo, or you had to bang on it to make it work. I mean that literally too. In one helo, the FLIR (forward looking infra red) wouldn't come up on the pilot's display, and the fix was to hit the FLIR breaker box with a wrench every time we started it up. The thing with military aircraft is that everything that has anything to do with keeping you alive has dual-redundancy, so if the main component doesn't work, you at least have a back up to help you out. What back up is there on the fly-by-wire on a motorcycle? ***** that! I don't like the fly-by-wire myself, the lag drives me crazy! But the 07 does have a cable to shut the throttle. "dual-redundancy" if you will.

The fly-by-wire has already proven itself on the R6. I don't recall hearing any problems on the R6 ? My guess is the problem has very little to do with the fly-by-wire system or at least is not directly related.

What it is guys, is that the bike is just way too lean in the bottom rpm ranges w/ stock mapping, so it can pass emissions. A real lean condition causes a motor to stumble and be very tempermental. I'm positive once it's mapped it will be the best bike to date. Which is why I will be doing a lot of R&D with the new bike. It would helpful to know what you guys would be interested in doing with your engines in the near future?

What it is guys, is that the bike is just way too lean in the bottom rpm ranges w/ stock mapping, so it can pass emissions. A real lean condition causes a motor to stumble and be very tempermental. I'm positive once it's mapped it will be the best bike to date. Which is why I will be doing a lot of R&D with the new bike. It would helpful to know what you guys would be interested in doing with your engines in the near future? I Couldn't agree with you more. This is a lean condition, And that is why these things are ( Hard starting ) if you will. my Bike does the same thing. It take a few extra cranks to fire up. This could also have something to do with some others smelling a burning rubber smell,,maybe the cat being very hot ( more then it should be ). It would also explain the ( Flat spot n 2nd gear @ 5500 rpm ) . Will be interesting to see if we get a fix for it. Or On the other hand, I plan on buying the Graves Full system with pcm anyway. :rock

This is why I would not trust a fly-by-wire throttle. That makes me have second thoughts on getting an 07. Didn't fly-by-wire originate on military aircraft? If anyone knows anything about military aircraft, it's that they ALWAYS break and require around the clock maintenance in order to even get things to work half of the time. I have over 1000 hours of flight time in an H-60 helicopter, and I can honestly say that in at least half of those flights, SOMETHING didn't work right in the helo, or you had to bang on it to make it work. I mean that literally too. In one helo, the FLIR (forward looking infra red) wouldn't come up on the pilot's display, and the fix was to hit the FLIR breaker box with a wrench every time we started it up. The thing with military aircraft is that everything that has anything to do with keeping you alive has dual-redundancy, so if the main component doesn't work, you at least have a back up to help you out. What back up is there on the fly-by-wire on a motorcycle? ***** that! I believe that there is an actual cable that closes them.

As of this morning, I will have to add my 07 to the list of bikes that will be recalled. Riding home from work this morning, in 2nd gear at 50mph, there it was. I experienced the lag. It was aweful. And I duplicated it three more times before I got home. I will take the bike in this weekend and see what the technicians have to say about it. I will post back with results next week, I hope. Dang this sucks. Have 500 miles on the bike and the clutch lever kill interlock is sticky also. Have to jiggle it sometimes to get it started.

I had the same lag in 2nd gear between 50 and 60mph. It has happend a few times. Also I was at a light and the bike just cut off. I know I didnt let the clutch out so it was weird. Started right back up though. People that say it's driver error or because of someone being a "noobie" is BS. The bike has a problem that needs to be looked into ASAP!!!

well i had the chance to take it out today and tried to mimik all the problems you guys are experiancing and i couldnt....so im not to sure whats wrong, sorry.

my bike just randomly shut off the other day too as i was coming off the throttle and pulling in the clutch coming to a stop. Hasn't done it since though

I had the same lag in 2nd gear between 50 and 60mph. It has happend a few times. Also I was at a light and the bike just cut off. I know I didnt let the clutch out so it was weird. Started right back up though. People that say it's driver error or because of someone being a "noobie" is BS. The bike has a problem that needs to be looked into ASAP!!! Well, mine has never cut off, but I have noticed that the idle is a little erratic compared to my '05. Also, it seems to choke and sputter a little bit on a cold startup. Like I say, it's never cut off or failed to start on the first try like I've heard about some of the '07's doing, but at times, the idle has been erratic enough that I halfway expected it to cut off. I have noticed it happening when I'm cruising for a while, and then stop at a traffic light and let it idle for a minute or 2. The idle speed will just start to drop slightly for a few seconds, and then go back up. I don't know what to make of it. Other than these little niggles, I love it. I should probably take it in, but I love riding it too much, and I don't want to give it up long enough for them to check it. I'll probably wait for some of these other guys to get theirs fixed and see what the remedy was, then take mine in. 1760 miles and counting.

1760 miles and counting.Damm!! How do you have that many miles already?

Damm!! How do you have that many miles already? I ride a lot; it's not uncommon for me to ride 2000 miles in a month. I've got over 27,000 miles on my 2005 R1 that I bought in Feb. 2005. Did 500 miles on my 2007 on New Years Day for the annual MSSR New Year's Day Frozen Cajones Ride. This year, we rode over to north central Arkansas and did Push Mountain Road, (the Deal's Gap of AR.) among others. I need to post the pics.

I'll be coming up with a fuel controller for the new bike soon! It will easily surpass the current models on the market, and priced to compete as well. If you guys can wait just a few months, I will allow the forum to buy first before anyone else. Just let me know if your interested and I'll put you on the list. The longer the list the more I'll push to get the product completed. Just send me an e-mail

I've got 1300mi on my and if my wrist wasn't bothering me I would probably have double that.

It was about 55 degrees today. I took the bike out. I also duplicated the hesitation problem, second gear, 5500 rpm's. I closed the throttle and then whacked it wide open. It did the same thing that everyone else is complaining about. It doesn't fell like a fueling problem to me. If it was fuel delivery, it would sputter and stumble. The bike just doesn't do anything. I'll be interested to see what the real problem is.

Will someone take there bike to a dealer so they can get an answer? lol My dealer sucks for server so I would rather you guy's that have a good one do it... lol

Sorry fellas . I ain't taken it to my dealer. That bike could drop a valve and they couldn't figure it out :drunk: . Besides I should have my Commander and pipe set very soon, And I'm sure it will eliminate the ( proplem ) .

I was thinking this morning and this is all starting to make sense. This was the first year that Graves put in the ignition module on there test bike. Normally in the past few years all they do is a pipe and a PCIII. On the 07 they showed the PCIII & The Ignition Module on the test bike. I'm sure there is a connection here. Maybe the Ignition Module takes care of the factory re-programming of the powerband to allow for easier street riding and Euro Specs on the emissions. I have a feeling it's all in the timing.... I think Yahama is using the timing adjustments to make these so called lag spots in the powerband. SO this would make sense now and it looks like we may have to purchase the Ignition Module as well for the 07 to correct this. Again this is just a thought, but it would make sense why graves added the module to there test bike this year and not in the past.

Sorry fellas . I ain't taken it to my dealer. That bike could drop a valve and they couldn't figure it out :drunk: . Besides I should have my Commander and pipe set very soon, And I'm sure it will eliminate the ( proplem ) . It will be nice to know if just the PCIII corrects this issue... Please keep us posted.

I was thinking this morning and this is all starting to make sense. This was the first year that Graves put in the ignition module on there test bike. Normally in the past few years all they do is a pipe and a PCIII. On the 07 they showed the PCIII & The Ignition Module on the test bike. I'm sure there is a connection here. Maybe the Ignition Module takes care of the factory re-programming of the powerband to allow for easier street riding and Euro Specs on the emissions. I have a feeling it's all in the timing.... I think Yahama is using the timing adjustments to make these so called lag spots in the powerband. SO this would make sense now and it looks like we may have to purchase the Ignition Module as well for the 07 to correct this. Again this is just a thought, but it would make sense why graves added the module to there test bike this year and not in the past. One should not have to purchase aftermarket items in order to make a brand-new motorcycle operate correctly.

NO, you are right, But the bike is gonna get the Hop ups anyway, problem or no problem. Im just sayin , I bet it will solve the issue. And my local dealer can't even put the correct octain fuel in the bike on delivery. I don't trust them to even put air in my tires..Oh wait,, they didn't do that either.31 psi the day I rode it home. <-- sorry to stray from the topic.

One should not have to purchase aftermarket items in order to make a brand-new motorcycle operate correctly. The term "correctly" may be an issue here, Yamaha may very well come back and say "it's operating as designed" If so then we are shit out of luck... I don't mind spending another 300 bucks as it doesn't effect my riding anyway. The only time I noticed it was when I tired to do it by holding it at 5500 rpm in second. It will be interesting to see what the outcome is.

I don't think it feels like a fueling problem. To me, a fueling problem would cause the bike to "sputter" more. This almost like an on/off switch. I not an expert by any means, just speaking from experience.

i think graves put the ignition mdule on the 07 because the new 4 valve head probally has a much quicker ( i cant think of the term but it is how quick the explosion spreads out when the spark plug ignites the charge). The 5 valve head was relatively slow so it was not advantagous to advance the timing. new quick burning head you can add some advance and pick up some power. but just a guess

The term "correctly" may be an issue here, Yamaha may very well come back and say "it's operating as designed" I just cannot imagine that this is how Yamaha intended for this motorcycle to run. As stated in the R1's owner's manual, the R1 is Yamaha's top street model. It represents the culmination of everything the Yamaha Motor Company has learned in 40+ years of building sporting and racing motorcycles. Yamaha is, justifiably, a proud company. I simply cannot fathom this stumble, lag, stutter, hesitation, flat spot, whatever you want to call it, being a deliberate function of this bike.

I can't wait till this weather moves out and all the new guys get new bikes, this thread will suck the bandwith dry!!!!!!

i think graves put the ignition mdule on the 07 because the new 4 valve head probally has a much quicker ( i cant think of the term but it is how quick the explosion spreads out when the spark plug ignites the charge). The 5 valve head was relatively slow so it was not advantagous to advance the timing. new quick burning head you can add some advance and pick up some power. but just a guess Dosent that all relate to cam timing ????????

Dosent that all relate to cam timing ???????? I dont think so. I am only talking about the burn rate. Both valves should be closed at the time of ignition no matter what the cam timing is so I cant see how cam timing could effect it. I am no engineer though so I could be wrong.

I can't wait till this weather moves out and all the new guys get new bikes, this thread will suck the bandwith dry!!!!!! :lol :lol I with G on this one!! :fact

The term "correctly" may be an issue here, Yamaha may very well come back and say "it's operating as designed" If so then we are shit out of luck... I don't mind spending another 300 bucks as it doesn't effect my riding anyway. The only time I noticed it was when I tired to do it by holding it at 5500 rpm in second. It will be interesting to see what the outcome is.I noticed you on the 1098 forum, you decided on the 07 R1 then? I have a deposit on an 07 but like you i love the looks of that 1098. What made you go for the R1 is it because of the low HP on the Duke or that it may blow up if you do any decent mingers on it, or maybe something else! Hows the R1 doing especially regarding any throttle lag. Try putting some octane boost through just to see if it helps.

I noticed you on the 1098 forum, you decided on the 07 R1 then? I have a deposit on an 07 but like you i love the looks of that 1098. What made you go for the R1 is it because of the low HP on the Duke or that it may blow up if you do any decent mingers on it, or maybe something else! Hows the R1 doing especially regarding any throttle lag. Try putting some octane boost through just to see if it helps. Hello, I went with the R1 because of many factors. I will list them but not in any order. 1. I have always been in love with Yamaha sport bikes... every since the FZ700. 2. I wasn't sure I would like the rattling of the dry clutch. 3. I loved my 00 R1, & my 04 R1 and I knew this bike would be better then both of them so I knew I would be happy with it. As for the throttle lag issue.... I have never noticed it at all when riding because unless you hold it at a steady 5500 rm in 2nd gear and then hit it... it's not there. With my riding style it's not an issue other than knowing it's there in that spot. So yes it needs to be corrected, but it's not an issue for me for how I normally ride. So far I'm really happy with it, I just wish Yamaha would have released a few to the aftermarket manufactures before hand so there would be more parts available for it... ie: exhaust, rearsets etc...

This sucks for me...It's really time for me to upgrade from my 99 R1 and when i first seen the specs of the 07 i felt i had no choice. Now i have been waiting for 2 weeks for the bike to even be released in Australia after it's been fully paid for and here you all are disappointed because of a minor issue with second gear. I'd gladly swap a bike with a second gear issue (After having to replace second twice on my current bike) than having no bike at all. To add salt to the wound i had a call from the dealer today to say that the bikes now are now going to be realeased until late january. Maybe after reading this the reason maybe because of the mentioned problem. All i know is i'm AU$20,000 out of pocket and no bike to show for it. Also this is going to sound like a really dumb question but does anyone know if you could fit a 99 with the EFI from an 02/03. I have fallen in ove with my 99 and dn't want to sell it so i was thinking if i could inject it then turbo would be a real option. PS---> Sorry to get off topic

This sucks for me...It's really time for me to upgrade from my 99 R1 and when i first seen the specs of the 07 i felt i had no choice. Now i have been waiting for 2 weeks for the bike to even be released in Australia after it's been fully paid for and here you all are disappointed because of a minor issue with second gear. I'd gladly swap a bike with a second gear issue (After having to replace second twice on my current bike) than having no bike at all. To add salt to the wound i had a call from the dealer today to say that the bikes now are now going to be realeased until late january. Maybe after reading this the reason maybe because of the mentioned problem. All i know is i'm AU$20,000 out of pocket and no bike to show for it. Also this is going to sound like a really dumb question but does anyone know if you could fit a 99 with the EFI from an 02/03. I have fallen in ove with my 99 and dn't want to sell it so i was thinking if i could inject it then turbo would be a real option. PS---> Sorry to get off topicIts probably a lot of bollox mate, if you look for a problem you can always find one. If you ride it like its meant to be ridden "hard" i'm sure it will be what we all expect:rock

Try advancing your throttle position sensor slightly

1.5 seconds of lag sounds like a software bug. An ignition module should fix it, I believe one of the power commanders has ignition also. Perhaps that can fix the power reduction in the lower gears also.

I called Graves Motorsports and talked to Zeb. He thought it might be in the ignition timing. Chuck was out of town but will be back by Monday I think. I asked if he could reply his thoughts about this lag on the forum. If not I will try him again next week and post the results here.

I called Graves Motorsports and talked to Zeb. He thought it might be in the ignition timing. Chuck was out of town but will be back by Monday I think. I asked if he could reply his thoughts about this lag on the forum. If not I will try him again next week and post the results here. Good call.

I'll be interested in hearing what Graves has to say. I think they are the only people who have put an 07 R1 on the dyno.

Well i rode mine today, and its a Fact, if you are at 5500 in second gear, the throttle Does have about .9 seconds of lag. Its impossible to get it to do it in any other gear or RPM.

Well i rode mine today, and its a Fact, if you are at 5500 in second gear, the throttle Does have about .9 seconds of lag. Its impossible to get it to do it in any other gear or RPM. Ay least it's consistent on all bikes.... So it means that it's not a flaw on some of them, more of a design issue. It should be easy to correct once Yamaha figures it out. From what I hear they are working on it.

Ay least it's consistent on all bikes.... So it means that it's not a flaw on some of them, more of a design issue. It should be easy to correct once Yamaha figures it out. From what I hear they are working on it.What are they gonna work on? Its the way it is, period. Believe the fact that modern sportbikes are limited. Its been this way for years......Why do any of the Gixxers guys put T.R.E.s on there bikes? Its Not any issue and ill bet it has not even been looked into by Yamaha.

What are they gonna work on? Its the way it is, period. Believe the fact that modern sportbikes are limited. Its been this way for years......Why do any of the Gixxers guys put T.R.E.s on there bikes? Its Not any issue and ill bet it has not even been looked into by Yamaha. :confused: :no It is being looked at and fix is in the works.:sneaky

:confused: :no It is being looked at and fix is in the works.:sneaky More details, please-

:confused: :no It is being looked at and fix is in the works.:sneakySubscribed...

I called Graves Motorsports and talked to Zeb. He thought it might be in the ignition timing. Chuck was out of town but will be back by Monday I think. I asked if he could reply his thoughts about this lag on the forum. If not I will try him again next week and post the results here. I tried again today but Chuck was having surgery. I got the latest Sportrider magazine in the mail yesterday and they also had the same problem.

Hello all, I'm new and I'm trying to decide on getting the 07 R1 or 07 gixxer1000. I've been reading the thread and the throttle hesitation worries me. I called my local dealer and he said they have a few out on the street and they have not had a problem. I also asked if yamaha reported anything and they havn't. The r1 is my first choice but I want it to run without any lag out of the box. The gixxer has a pretty good rep but the 07 has two very ugly cans. But anyway, I want my R1 at the least a lag free r1.

the problem has been fixed on my side...just get the rpm's above 3000 when you crack the throttle open...i think its the fly by wire stuff...just takes some getting used to...no big deal at all in my opinion...keep the rpm's up and you wont have any issues

How many miles is the breakin period and how does i feel after. Its gonna be hard to break it in around this time here because of the cold weather.

i broke it in fairly easy for 600 miles, then a little harder for about 300-350 more...then it was balls to the wall after that...runs like a champ, it started running really well after 1600 miles...its just insane now ship your bike to me and ill have 2600 miles on it in a month....

Clarification- The issue is only at 5500 RPMs and only in second gear. Every bike tested so far has duplicated this issue. This is normally not an issue for most riders because you have to cruise at 5500 RPMs in 2nd gear - then hit it in order to make it happen. It's still an issue, but not a very big one. I never noticed it until I tested as above. From my sources, Yamaha is aware of the issue and is looking into it to come up with a resolution. Take that for what it's worth, but I'm sure they will come up with some answer for this issue.

R1Lover is 100% correct. It only happens in 2nd gear. The first time I attempted it, I was successful. I duplicated it every time after. I'm not sure what it could be. I think people are assuming it's the fly-by-wire because it's new to all of us. It could be a bad map, ecu, ignition timing, etc.

R1Lover is 100% correct. It only happens in 2nd gear. The first time I attempted it, I was successful. I duplicated it every time after. I'm not sure what it could be. I think people are assuming it's the fly-by-wire because it's new to all of us. It could be a bad map, ecu, ignition timing, etc. Has anyone thrown on a PCIII yet? Does it mask the problem?

hmm....i have tried duplicating the problem many times, 2nd gear 5500, 2nd gear 5500 but i cant get any lag or anything. so idk

hmm....i have tried duplicating the problem many times, 2nd gear 5500, 2nd gear 5500 but i cant get any lag or anything. so idk Is the engine on when you are trying this?

Hello all, I'm new and I'm trying to decide on getting the 07 R1 or 07 gixxer1000. I've been reading the thread and the throttle hesitation worries me. I called my local dealer and he said they have a few out on the street and they have not had a problem. I also asked if yamaha reported anything and they havn't. The r1 is my first choice but I want it to run without any lag out of the box. The gixxer has a pretty good rep but the 07 has two very ugly cans. But anyway, I want my R1 at the least a lag free r1. You can't be a member or post on the R-1 Forum unless you have an R-1! I'm kidding, I've been hearing the same about those 07's, as far as that throttle problem goes. They just came out with the 07 (obviously). If your not to set on it, maybe try the 06. You could probably still find one new. BUT DON'T GET THE GIXXER:boom

The '07 R1 is the best bike on the market, glitch or not. The problem is currently being adressed. I didn't notice any hesitation on mine, but I usually don't ride below at least 6,000 anyway. The R1 makes no torque below 6-7,000 so I'm not sure as to why so many guys are complaining about this. The fix is going to be getting a fuel controler. All the bikes are super lean from the factory to pass emissions. To make things worse for the R1 the cams are especially big so it will run well up top. Recently we dynoed the new CBR, '06/'07 R1, '06 GSX-R And the R1 had the best power through the middle and up top. My R1 made a corrected 164hp, and 173 actual(it was 50 degrees F.) I'm working with an electrical engineer on a fuel controller right now, so the bike can be mapped properly. This bike has a lot of new first's for the industry so it may take us a few months, but it will get figured out.

The '07 R1 is the best bike on the market, glitch or not. The problem is currently being adressed. I didn't notice any hesitation on mine, but I usually don't ride below at least 6,000 anyway. The R1 makes no torque below 6-7,000 so I'm not sure as to why so many guys are complaining about this. The fix is going to be getting a fuel controler. All the bikes are super lean from the factory to pass emissions. To make things worse for the R1 the cams are especially big so it will run well up top. Recently we dynoed the new CBR, '06/'07 R1, '06 GSX-R And the R1 had the best power through the middle and up top. My R1 made a corrected 164hp, and 173 actual(it was 50 degrees F.) I'm working with an electrical engineer on a fuel controller right now, so the bike can be mapped properly. This bike has a lot of new first's for the industry so it may take us a few months, but it will get figured out. I admire the fact that you are working on it and understand it will take time for the reason mentioned. However, for those people who have got '07's already (or thinking about it), I hope Yamaha will take weeks rather than months to sort out a fix.

How many miles is the breakin period and how does i feel after. Its gonna be hard to break it in around this time here because of the cold weather.Dont brake it in at all, it will be quicker and smoother with zero ill affects. I pick my 07 up in 8 days and will post in as to any throttle lag. It will be interesting to see as our fuel is a higher octane over here and i really dont expect any lag at all. Gixer or R1! Are you mad, :chair: the gixer looks crap and feels bad if you throw a leg over it. R1 all day long.:rock

The '07 R1 is the best bike on the market, glitch or not. The problem is currently being adressed. I didn't notice any hesitation on mine, but I usually don't ride below at least 6,000 anyway. The R1 makes no torque below 6-7,000 so I'm not sure as to why so many guys are complaining about this. The fix is going to be getting a fuel controler. All the bikes are super lean from the factory to pass emissions. To make things worse for the R1 the cams are especially big so it will run well up top. Recently we dynoed the new CBR, '06/'07 R1, '06 GSX-R And the R1 had the best power through the middle and up top. My R1 made a corrected 164hp, and 173 actual(it was 50 degrees F.) I'm working with an electrical engineer on a fuel controller right now, so the bike can be mapped properly. This bike has a lot of new first's for the industry so it may take us a few months, but it will get figured out.Has anyone tried octane booster, it may show up the fault as being fuel problems

The '07 R1 is the best bike on the market, glitch or not. The problem is currently being adressed. I didn't notice any hesitation on mine, but I usually don't ride below at least 6,000 anyway. The R1 makes no torque below 6-7,000 so I'm not sure as to why so many guys are complaining about this. The fix is going to be getting a fuel controler. All the bikes are super lean from the factory to pass emissions. To make things worse for the R1 the cams are especially big so it will run well up top. Recently we dynoed the new CBR, '06/'07 R1, '06 GSX-R And the R1 had the best power through the middle and up top. My R1 made a corrected 164hp, and 173 actual(it was 50 degrees F.) I'm working with an electrical engineer on a fuel controller right now, so the bike can be mapped properly. This bike has a lot of new first's for the industry so it may take us a few months, but it will get figured out. I kinda expect someone who has one to say what you said. No offense, but I think you might be a little biased. My R1 eats me. Join Date: Dec 2006 Bikes: '07 R1 Location: Anaheim, CA Posts: 16

I don't believe much I read in MCN (UK weekly M/C mag) and rarely buy it. I bought it recently due to the 2007 R1 on the front. Inside it says this about the 2007 R1: QUOTE: A healthy surge of power around 5000rpm costs the older bike the 0-60mph shootout. As the new R1's lower gear power delivery is governed, then by rights, this shouldn't be the case, but the bike's clever ECU retards the delivery just enough to prevent the front end from looping to give a near perfect launch. What the old R1 hasn't got is a top speed limiter, so will rev-out to 187.8mph, while the new 2007 version is clipped to 181.4mph by not being able to rev past 13,750rpm in top gear (although it is able to breeze past this in previous gears). Is this true? and could it be that the ECU is too clever for its own good?

I don't believe much I read in MCN (UK weekly M/C mag) and rarely buy it. I bought it recently due to the 2007 R1 on the front. Inside it says this about the 2007 R1: QUOTE: A healthy surge of power around 5000rpm costs the older bike the 0-60mph shootout. As the new R1's lower gear power delivery is governed, then by rights, this shouldn't be the case, but the bike's clever ECU retards the delivery just enough to prevent the front end from looping to give a near perfect launch. What the old R1 hasn't got is a top speed limiter, so will rev-out to 187.8mph, while the new 2007 version is clipped to 181.4mph by not being able to rev past 13,750rpm in top gear (although it is able to breeze past this in previous gears). Is this true? and could it be that the ECU is too clever for its own good?The 04 model tops out at about 190mph on the clock. the 07 will show around the same 190 on the clock. Dont forget the clocks are not to acurate so top end speed will be about the same on either bike in real terms. All the power limiting does is allow a drag off the line without flipping it,"try an 04 off the line its not easy keeping it down".:)

I didn't experience the lag during the normal course of my ride. I had to specifically drop the revs to 5500. I would never have noticed it unless I was looking to do it. This is my first R1. I never had the revs under 6500 when I rode on the street. I am actually curious to hear from someone at Graves. Did they have the problem after they installed the PC-III and Ignition?

The 04 model tops out at about 190mph on the clock. the 07 will show around the same 190 on the clock. Dont forget the clocks are not to acurate so top end speed will be about the same on either bike in real terms. All the power limiting does is allow a drag off the line without flipping it,"try an 04 off the line its not easy keeping it down".:)The 04 will not show one MPH past 189..:fact

The 04 will not show one MPH past 189..:factIve seen 191 with 1 eye shut and holding on 4 dear life, f**k thats fast:scared

Ive seen 191 with 1 eye shut and holding on 4 dear life, f**k thats fast:scared uh oh... here it comes. many have claimed this..but even on dyno the speedo will not register past 189. just to give you fair warning. you better get some proof or forget about it all together. Not that it matters 1 lick, but some people will take bashing to anyone that says it will read any higher. either way its still fast.

uh oh... here it comes. many have claimed this..but even on dyno the speedo will not register past 189. :lol :lol in other words, many have LIED before :hammer:

Ok so the "Launch Control" is true and works, but are they limited to 13,750rpm in top. If revs are controlled in top then altering the gearing would still be subject to the top gear rev limit. Apologies, I guess this is off topic.

uh oh... here it comes. many have claimed this..but even on dyno the speedo will not register past 189. just to give you fair warning. you better get some proof or forget about it all together. Not that it matters 1 lick, but some people will take bashing to anyone that says it will read any higher. either way its still fast. He is from the UK, he meant 191kph which is like 120mph.

I've noticed on my '07 R1 that when I pull the clutch in or shift into neutral. If I let the RPM drop to idle and then blip the throttle it'll cut out sometimes. Mostly been having the problem when its cold, but the other day it did it when it was nice out. I think the coolant temparture was between 160-170 degrees so I was quite suprised when it cut. I noticed lag in the low RPM range as well. As soon as I hit about 5,000 the power starts to kick in. For me the bike doesn't seem well suited for low speed corners where the RPM's drop below 5,000 in 1st gear. Other then that I haven't had any problems. Just past the 600 mile break in, and can't wait to be able to max out the RPM's!:rock

I only have 100 miles on mine right now. i have not noticed the lag yet but then again i am still in the babying stage.

The 04 will not show one MPH past 189..:fact I second that! :stpd: GPS they do 177-181 (depending on wind and weight) 04-06R1's US models do not exceed 189mph Indicated PERIOD NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE SAYS THEY DON NOT GO OVER 189! THIS IS 1 of those threads that go "(BUT wait my bike went 192 indicated)" :dundun: B.S

I second that! :stpd: GPS they do 177-181 (depending on wind and weight) 04-06R1's US models do not exceed 189mph Indicated PERIOD NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE SAYS THEY DON NOT GO OVER 189! THIS IS 1 of those threads that go "(BUT wait my bike went 192 indicated)" :dundun: B.SThe 04 does a genuine 187 the 07 is restricted to 181, lets see if the 07 will show above 189 on the clock or is that only on uk bikes. "Babying stage"!!!!!!!!! is that the same as pussying stage.

The '07 R1 is the best bike on the market, glitch or not. The problem is currently being adressed. I didn't notice any hesitation on mine, but I usually don't ride below at least 6,000 anyway. The R1 makes no torque below 6-7,000 so I'm not sure as to why so many guys are complaining about this. The fix is going to be getting a fuel controler. All the bikes are super lean from the factory to pass emissions. To make things worse for the R1 the cams are especially big so it will run well up top. Recently we dynoed the new CBR, '06/'07 R1, '06 GSX-R And the R1 had the best power through the middle and up top. My R1 made a corrected 164hp, and 173 actual(it was 50 degrees F.) I'm working with an electrical engineer on a fuel controller right now, so the bike can be mapped properly. This bike has a lot of new first's for the industry so it may take us a few months, but it will get figured out. I do about ten track days a year so I can appreciate what you are saying about keeping the rpm above 6000. But, most guys ride on the street and its not sensible to ride a liter bike in traffic at high rpm all the time. Someone on this forum mentioned that he switched lanes and had to gun it to avoid getting rear ended and the bike didn't respond. That could have turned fatal. Not what I would expect from a $2000 bike. Definitely not a feature I want on my R1. On another note, this is not an octane issue.

Like I wrote earlier, I'm not worried. The only time I experienced the glitch, was when I did it on purpose. They will get it sorted soon enough.

ive seen 191 on mine too,i have a mate who works for yamaha uk and according to him the uk spec r1s are slightly more faster due to ignition mapping differences in standard form,something to do with tighter laws on emisions in the states.nothing new there,your always behind us anyway!!:nopity:

ive seen 191 on mine too,i have a mate who works for yamaha uk and according to him the uk spec r1s are slightly more faster due to ignition mapping differences in standard form,something to do with tighter laws on emisions in the states.nothing new there,your always behind us anyway!!:nopity: More like the opposite.......GB has been operating in the United States' slipstream for a couple of hundred years now, and, unfortunately, will likely be an Islamic state in 50 yrs, due to the liberals running the gov't there. By the way, the mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, is a bloody communist.

Someone on this forum mentioned that he switched lanes and had to gun it to avoid getting rear ended and the bike didn't respond. That could have turned fatal. That was me.

Was riding my bike today, and I tried that glitch in 2nd gear. Sure enough there was a short lag aroudn 5,600 RPM's. Have to talke to the bike shop on Tuesday. See if they've heard anything.

Ok so the "Launch Control" is true and works, but are they limited to 13,750rpm in top. If revs are controlled in top then altering the gearing would still be subject to the top gear rev limit. Apologies, I guess this is off topic.13,750 is the red line so limiting it there only in 6th is not a big deal, the 07 is quicker than the 06 right through the range and will probably show a very similar top speed on the speedo. Like i said 181 is around 190 on the speedo, so no worries:riding

Is the engine on when you are trying this? nope, i perfer to ride with the bike off. much safer that way.

I have an idea, who gives a shit about what the clock reads when you're riding like a squid. The thread is about the throttle glitch, don't jack.

I have an idea, who gives a shit about what the clock reads when you're riding like a squid. The thread is about the throttle glitch, don't jack. :stpd::stpd: Yes if you don't have anything to add about this thread topic.... Start another thread please.

I haven't run into the 5500 rpm/2nd gear throttle lag problem but the other day I went to take off at a light and a car slowed down in front of me so I pulled in the clutch and closed the trottle and it died. It started right back but I've never had a bike do that before. And I couldn't get it to do it again.

I haven't run into the 5500 rpm/2nd gear throttle lag problem but the other day I went to take off at a light and a car slowed down in front of me so I pulled in the clutch and closed the trottle and it died. It started right back but I've never had a bike do that before. And I couldn't get it to do it again. Mine died one time at idle at a stop sign.... just sitting there and it was like I hit the kill button. It has never done it again though.

Man, I would really likes some answer from Yamaha about this. I went to the NY bike show and the R1 was the best looking bike there. The gixxer looked like crap and felt like a sports tourer. The zx10 was nice but bland as far as looks and the honda was just okay. I saw one of the salesman from my area at the show and he said recalls are coming soon.

Mine died one time at idle at a stop sign.... just sitting there and it was like I hit the kill button. It has never done it again though.The 04 would do the same if you didnt give it enough gas off the line, we fixed this by simply turning up the idle a few revs.

The 04 would do the same if you didnt give it enough gas off the line, we fixed this by simply turning up the idle a few revs. I was not taking off, I was sitting there with my hand off the grip.... waiting for traffic.

Hey R1Lover, where do you find what number your bike is?

The 04 would do the same if you didnt give it enough gas off the line, we fixed this by simply turning up the idle a few revs. yes thats true...mine never died since 0 km on odo...i always set the rpm at 1300....

Hey R1Lover, where do you find what number your bike is? It's the last few numbers of the vin number on your registration or on the frame. :beer

I haven't run into the 5500 rpm/2nd gear throttle lag problem but the other day I went to take off at a light and a car slowed down in front of me so I pulled in the clutch and closed the trottle and it died. It started right back but I've never had a bike do that before. And I couldn't get it to do it again. reminds me of the TLS "97 injection ecu glitch (which led to ecus replacements and lowered hp)

Whoa, somebody need to clam down. Was only questioning the comment jiz posted. Hey I'm not a dealer or mech thats what I was told. I'm looking to get one regardless after seeing what was out there for the 07. It would be nice to know if will be fixed for my order. Rather he would lie I dont know. But if you go to any of the shops they say they don't know anything about a throttle lag.

The shop I bought my bike at said I didn't even need to break my bike in.:drunk: They said that "Yamaha trusts their bikes". Which is cool, but still breaking it in. okay, wait, did you think you had a choice?? hmm.. so this is a new bike with 1k on the odo!!?? wow, nice of yammi to 'test' 'er out for you.. lol!!! jk, sales men are idiots.. cheap ones at that..

all uk bikes seem ok with no throttle lag,must be just usa bikes??

all uk bikes seem ok with no throttle lag,must be just usa bikes?? Have you tested one at 5500 RPM and in 2nd gear? If not then please do not post up false info. :)

If you pin the throttle at 5500rpm it takes roughly 7 seconds to build up to 7500rpm at which point it starts to accelerate like normal.... hmmmmm...

Have you tested one at 5500 RPM and in 2nd gear? If not then please do not post up false info. :)Just picked mine up so as soon as weather clears i will test and let you know the score:thumbup

If you pin the throttle at 5500rpm it takes roughly 7 seconds to build up to 7500rpm at which point it starts to accelerate like normal.... hmmmmm... Yep........... maybe not 7 seconds..... but ya that's the issue.

Yep........... maybe not 7 seconds..... but ya that's the issue. Hold the throttle steady at 5500rpm in 2nd, then rap the throttle to full open quickly and hold it. See how long it takes to get to 7500rpm at which point it should start to really pick up. Mine is right about 7 seconds, what's yours?