07 R1 Suspension setup/tricks???...

Anyone mess with the setups yet like you track junkies?...I know everyones style and pref is dif but it would be cool to start a thread to see what people are doing...Anyone raise the forks through the triples 3,5,7mm?...If so how'd it handle?...Anything like that...Whats up guys?...Just was thinking about it today...I remember reading that raising my forks through the triples on my 2000 R1 would help with turn in and steering response and I absolutly loved it the bike handled like a dream afterwards...I know this bike already handles good so dont flame lol...

Bump lol no one has input?...Input input Johnny-5 needs input hahaha...

^^^^haha...yeah for real i wanna know any tips/tricks that might be out there. I haven't touched any clickers, etc.

I dont like the turn in of bike so I am going to raise the forks 5mm like my last bike and see how it goes...I am aware of it being more prone to tank slap but thats how I roll...

i dropped my 07 10mm through the clamps it seems to be ok no major dramas yet.

I setup my suspension with Sport Rider's recommendations. Feels fine in the corners..but it's pretty stiff ride over bumpy straights at cruising speeds.

yes my bike does the same very bumpy on the road because of the stiffness but feels briliant in the fast back road corners.

Whats your weight?... I setup my suspension with Sport Rider's recommendations. Feels fine in the corners..but it's pretty stiff ride over bumpy straights at cruising speeds.

Whats your weight?... I'm 205lbs

I got these settings from an 07 R1 review where a Yamaha factory test rider adjusted the suspension to his liking. The reviewer said they made a huge difference, literally transformed the bike. If I buy the 07 I intend to try them out, but since you already have one be my guest... Track Settings given to Robert Hoyles by Jeff De Vries As spoken about in the article: 2007 R1 TRACK SETTINGS All settings from fully in (except preload) Standard settings in brackets Front Rebound 8 clicks (10) Preload 5 rings showing (6) Compression 8 clicks (10) Rear Low speed compression 1 click (12) High speed compression 3 turns (3) Preload 6 notch (5) Rebound 11 clicks (12) Thats strait from the Yamaha Test rider.

Of course setting the sag yourself would be a better way of adjusting the preload, but the rest of the settings may be worth trying.

Oh, here is a link to the review... http://www.dcsportbikes.net/forum/showthread.php?t=26260

yes my bike does the same very bumpy on the road because of the stiffness but feels briliant in the fast back road corners. I've noticed that as well. Going to try those settings that the Yamaha rider suggested. Heck, I might even take it to a pro and have them set it up, especially the sag. Thanks for the settings!!! :thumbup Peace. Mr. C

I got the ohlins damper and Power Race 190/55 and the bike handles like a dream with the stock setting for me now...

From the World Superbike commentary, apparently the stock rear suspension linkage was user in Qatar and Phillip Island. Phillip Island saw both Haga and Corser shred their tires while everyone else seemed to have a better time of it. Yamaha got serious at the Velencia test trying new rear linkages. At Donnington this past weekend, Corser podiumed both races while Haga won the second. Sounds like a clue to me. On Saturday, I spent some time in the twisties. Its still very early in the season here so I could only go at it about 50-60% of potential. Nevertheless, the back of the bike seemed to be topping out allot. Entering one choppy corner with a little bit of trailing rear brake caused it to set out even at a relative slow pace. My thinking is that the high speed compression dampening should be tuned way down. Nothing remarkable about the low speed, maybe just a bit soft actually. The front was well planted. We'll see what happens when the rear is closer to right. Honestly, haven't messed with the settings at all yet. I don't have 400 miles on her yet. However, a track day event is on the schedule for sometime in April. I'll let you know what I find out. BTW: I weigh about 215 in gear and I had a 10 pound security lock around my waist (225 total, I guess)

Here's what I found so far: (I'm 165lbs before gear) ------ Track: ------ Front: - Preload: 5 - Compression: 5 - Rebound: 10 Rear: - Preload: 8 - Compression-Fast: 3 - Compression-Slow: 4 - Rebound: 10 ------- Street: ------- Front: - Preload: 5 - Compression: 7 - Rebound: 12 Rear: - Preload: 8 - Compression-Fast: 2.5 - Compression-Slow: 7 - Rebound: 10 Let me know what y'all think. The track settings are to stiff for the street, unable to comply with the road inperfection. The street settings chew up the bumps with no problem and helps prevent head shake on hard acceleration exiting corners. - Ride Safe

Here's what I found so far: (I'm 165lbs before gear) ------ Track: ------ Front: - Preload: 5 - Compression: 5 - Rebound: 10 Rear: - Preload: 8 - Compression-Fast: 3 - Compression-Slow: 4 - Rebound: 10 ------- Street: ------- Front: - Preload: 5 - Compression: 7 - Rebound: 12 Rear: - Preload: 8 - Compression-Fast: 2.5 - Compression-Slow: 7 - Rebound: 10 Let me know what y'all think. The track settings are to stiff for the street, unable to comply with the road inperfection. The street settings chew up the bumps with no problem and helps prevent head shake on hard acceleration exiting corners. - Ride Safe So the numbers mean clicks out from all the way left or right?

Of course setting the sag yourself would be a better way of adjusting the preload, but the rest of the settings may be worth trying. Thank you for adding that. Sag should be step number one. Before the air filter... before the exhaust... GET THE SAG right and then adjust the damping. Sag contributes to the geometry that they worked so hard to perfect. You can't turn it if it isn't suspended right. And if you can't turn it, you will never ride it right.

When you say Preload: 8 Does that mean yamaha 8? as it states in the manual or 8 clicks from full hard or 8 clicks from full soft?

------- Street: ------- Front: - Preload: 5 - Compression: 7 - Rebound: 12 Rear: - Preload: 8 - Compression-Fast: 2.5 - Compression-Slow: 7 - Rebound: 10 Seems to be some confusion. Here's how I've arrived at these settings. (1) set front and rear sag as follows: -> front sag = 33-35mm -> rear sag = 10mm note: front preload = number of lines showing rear preload = steps from full soft (notch #1) (2) set damping -> all damping is adjusted from full in (hard), direction "a" in Yami manual -> from full in, count number of clicks out, counter clockwise Enjoy and be safe. ,Piero

------- Street: ------- Front: - Preload: 5 - Compression: 7 - Rebound: 12 Rear: - Preload: 8 - Compression-Fast: 2.5 - Compression-Slow: 7 - Rebound: 10 Seems to be some confusion. Here's how I've arrived at these settings. (1) set front and rear sag as follows: -> front sag = 33-35mm -> rear sag = 10mm note: front preload = number of lines showing rear preload = steps from full soft (notch #1) (2) set damping -> all damping is adjusted from full in (hard), direction "a" in Yami manual -> from full in, count number of clicks out, counter clockwise Enjoy and be safe. ,Piero Why so little sag in the rear? Are you too light? I would shoot for something closer to what you got on the front. The front should be good for harder riding, and may be enough for track. The damping looks like you've adjusted on it a bit and have it suiting your preferences. What do you weigh? You might have a good starting point for folks.

Ok, I set my suspension up as you said. Except for the sag. I have no idea what you're talking about there. And I have my rear preload at 5. I rode all night and can tell a huge improvement in handling but the rear seems a bit too stiff still. Dont I want my preload to be less if I want it to be softer? I don't understand why you would want a stiff preload.

I cannot get my front end sag greater than 31mm. I weigh 170-175 and even put 20 lb dumbells in a backpack just to see if it made much of a difference...No difference at all with the extra weight. I tried putting the forks to 7 lines showing and it still made no difference. What could cause this? Too much oil in the forks possibly? I noticed the rebound adjuster doesn't feel like it affects the bike no matter if I put it on full in or full out. I can feel a difference when I adjust compression though.

I cannot get my front end sag greater than 31mm. I weigh 170-175 and even put 20 lb dumbells in a backpack just to see if it made much of a difference...No difference at all with the extra weight. I tried putting the forks to 7 lines showing and it still made no difference. What could cause this? Too much oil in the forks possibly? I noticed the rebound adjuster doesn't feel like it affects the bike no matter if I put it on full in or full out. I can feel a difference when I adjust compression though. Sounds like your springs are too stiff up front. Racetech doesn't have the data for the 07 loaded yet, but if you are unable to attain proper rider sag (35 - 40 mm) and you don't have any free sag, the springs are likely too stiff. You may want to double check the rear as well. On the bright side... I wish I weighed 170-175 lbs. I wouldn't be spending so much on suspension components! Seriously though, sounds like you are slightly oversprung. Not by much though. If the compression and rebound are working well enough that you can damp it, you may want to leave it alone. I really think it's close.

I'm not comprehending the whole "sag" thing. Someone explain please.

I'm not comprehending the whole "sag" thing. Someone explain please. Start with this document. Search around. Need a couple of friends to do it properly, but an hour worth of work and you can probably knock out four bikes.

Yeah i know Im new around hear. The first thing i would do if you haven't done already is set the Sag for the Forks and shock. The sag for an 07 Is between 30 to 35 millimeters. Sense its a new bike. Set the front to about 25 to 30mm and the rear to 30 to 35mm. Just until the springs get seated. Then id set it all between 30 and 35mm. Once you get the sag set for your wight and you still feel the bike needs to be a little stiffer do all your adjusting through the compression and rebound settings.

Sounds like your springs are too stiff up front. Racetech doesn't have the data for the 07 loaded yet, but if you are unable to attain proper rider sag (35 - 40 mm) and you don't have any free sag, the springs are likely too stiff. You may want to double check the rear as well. On the bright side... I wish I weighed 170-175 lbs. I wouldn't be spending so much on suspension components! Seriously though, sounds like you are slightly oversprung. Not by much though. If the compression and rebound are working well enough that you can damp it, you may want to leave it alone. I really think it's close. Thanks DanQ. Do you think it's possible the springs will loosen up a little with more miles? When I first got the bike, I could barely get 30mm of sag up front, now I have 31mm. The reason I was asking if maybe there was too much oil, is because my buddy who is 165 can get 34 mm on his '07. They're identical bikes, and I would think yamaha uses the same springs on all '07's, right?

Thanks DanQ. Do you think it's possible the springs will loosen up a little with more miles? When I first got the bike, I could barely get 30mm of sag up front, now I have 31mm. The reason I was asking if maybe there was too much oil, is because my buddy who is 165 can get 34 mm on his '07. They're identical bikes, and I would think yamaha uses the same springs on all '07's, right? They will over time, but that would be a pretty long time. One thing that I have failed to bring up regarding these Kayaba forks. They have a NOTORIOUS amount of stiction. When measuring the rider sag, you need to ensure that you have a helper bounce the front down and up a time or two, and then measure where the tubes settle. I like to do it three times and shoot for the average of the three. Also, a preference of mine is to blow open the damping (full soft on both compression and rebound) so the damping doesn't contribute to a bad measurement. There is stiction in the rear as well, but not like the fronts. It's possible they have put the wrong amount of oil in there, but that would be a fluke. And yes, the spring rates are the same. Try re-measuring front and rear with the damping open and the bounces and see if the numbers are the same. If they are, chances are you may need new springs.

I just spent some quality time setting up my new 07. As I am a small guy (130lb without gear) the standard preload settings don't allow much sag. Also noticed the steering was a little nervous under hard acceleration - no tankslappers or even shakes, but felt like it was on the verge of doing so. Started by filling fuel tank 60% full (middle of the range I use), mounting up with gear on and checking sag with standard preload. Had 25mm front and 18mm rear, giving the bike a slightly tail high attitude which I guess would explain the nervous steering. I set the front sag to 30mm (6 lines showing on preload) and rear to 25mm (preload setting 2). Still a 5mm bias but steering feels stable now, and still plenty quick enough. No need to raise fork tubes unless I run equal sag both ends. Did the compression damping next. Had to increase front compression to reduce brake dive, had it set to 7 for a while but was a little too firm on bumpy roads so backed it off to 8. Brake dive ok. Rear was a little bouncy on the bumps but felt much better with slow compression set to 8. Tried it at 6 but was too firm. Ran out of time to experiment with fast compression but most settings I have read on the net are close to stock so I'm happy to leave it there. Played with rebound a little, didn't seem to make much improvement so I just increased it till ride quality suffered then backed it off a bit. Front 8, rear 11. Might fine tune it in the future but happy with current settings. Ride quality is reasonable, steering stable but still quick, doesn't dive or squat too much, holds it's line nicely on corner exit and doesn't seem to have any handling issues. And it just feels balanced and "good". After setting it up I read the following and was pleasantly surprised to see identical damper settings to mine, with the exception of slow compression on the rear (1 seems a bit extreme, although it was for the track). So I can give those a big :thumbup Track Settings given to Robert Hoyles by Jeff De Vries As spoken about in the article: 2007 R1 TRACK SETTINGS All settings from fully in (except preload) Standard settings in brackets Front Rebound 8 clicks (10) Preload 5 rings showing (6) Compression 8 clicks (10) Rear Low speed compression 1 click (12) High speed compression 3 turns (3) Preload 6 notch (5) Rebound 11 clicks (12) Thats strait from the Yamaha Test rider.

STILL nobody has answered my question on how to set sag??? Is there a screw/nut/bolt, lower the triple tree? Please help. I know 30-35mm just how the F do i adjust it?

STILL nobody has answered my question on how to set sag??? Is there a screw/nut/bolt, lower the triple tree? Please help. I know 30-35mm just how the F do i adjust it? Sag is set by adjusting spring preload. The owners manual explains how to do this. There is an adjusting bolt at the top of each fork tube. The shock assembly at the back has an adjusting ring that the spring seats against and there is a special wrench in the tool kit under the seat for turning this. Check the following link for a guide with photos. http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_0308_geek/

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Hi guys I have been trying these settings on the track and continued to find that the rear spins up terrible - I am not the fastest rider but do reasonable times (Kyalami - 1.56's) The last time I was at the track I got some advise and ended on the following settings which have really helped - I went from 1.58 to 1.56 and my back tyre wear was a lot better My current settings: (I weigh 78kg) Front Pre - 5 rings Reb - 3 Comp - 8 Back Pre - 6 Reb - 1 Com low - 8 Com high - 3 I was also told that the back shock needs to be redone after 15000k's (i have done 18) - Not sure if this is true? I have just bought a 2nd hand Ohlins shock so will see how that goes - Anybody have some advice on setting that up?

The advice to rebuild the shock at such short intervals doesn't come as a surprise. It gets absolutely fried with the combination of the engine and the exhaust heat, all the time. On both the old and the new bike, I set the sag and only took out a bit of rebound from the settings that came with the Ohlins shock and it was fine. Now the challenge is to find the Ohlins suggested settings as you bought the shock 2nd hand ..............