pipes creating heat under the seat

it was only 15 degree celcius here in Vancouver and just running around town I notice the heat emanating around my legs. Someone suggested heat tape? or perhaps is there a carbon fiber pipe? any suggestion in reducing the heat before my ass is cooked?

go with a full system exhaust. :thumbup

just get rid of the cat

Yeah, i got rid of the cat and wrapped it, it made a huge difference. :rock

what are the consequences of getting rid of the cat, does that change the performance? are there such things as full carbon fiber pipes?

Ceramic Coat them. This will drop the heat alot!!

I've had my full stock system ceramic coated for around $160. after moderate interstate riding the cans are just warm after 25 miles.v&h baffle, no cat, no exup,smog block offs, no pc. so far no stone chips which i thought about after i put them on. But you still get the heat coming of the engine at stop lights.http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w61/slugbait71/1C70B4C.jpg

I've had my full stock system ceramic coated for around $160. after moderate interstate riding the cans are just warm after 25 miles.v&h baffle, no cat, no exup,smog block offs, no pc. so far no stone chips which i thought about after i put them on. But you still get the heat coming of the engine at stop lights.http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w61/slugbait71/1C70B4C.jpg That is very nice.... now what do I look under the yellow pages to have them coated with ceramic? and how long do they take?

my local powdercoated did it in 1 week. just google jet coat or ceramic coating

Thanks for the tip... found a place locally and the place that I usually take my bike for mods will be removing the pipes, send them off for ceramic coating and re-mounting them. However I'll be without a bike for a week .... damn :cryin

Why are you having a shop remove them?? That's just silly! Do the work yourself man. Shops charge like $70 per hour... you're wasting money that you should be buying mods with.

its metal tubing with gases exiting the engine at roughly 1400 deg, and at the back somewhere in the neighborhood of 400 deg, of course the godamn thing is gonna get hot mine isnt anything bad enough to wine about, yea it gets hot, yea my ass gets hot, yea my legs get hot, all bike exhausts get hot, its no big deal, i ride in the dead of summer 112 deg--full leather--with my "hot" exhaust under me and its not a problem, just spend more time going forward..... "omg its so hot" "my flesh is melting off--oh my god" no need to worry bout cooking your ass--sorry for the rant, but ive heard this crap for years and have never had a problem, maybe i just got thicker skin

... maybe i just got thicker skin thicker ass perherps? :sing: The way I figure, if ceramic coating does the job.... I'm all for it. Not only will it reduce the temp around my ass, it will also reduce the ambient temperature around the bike.

Lol :bow

I agree with 1hander... Take your skirt off and drive that thing how it was designed to be driven. Airflow prevents that heat from building up. $160+ is a decent chunk of change. I love my 07 R1, and yes, it gets warm on my right leg when I'm sitting at a stop light or when I'm heading back through the burbs to get back to my house, but otherwise, she settles in nice around 90mph; no heat buildup there - coolant running about 160; even on 90 degree days with 80+% humidity, and I'm sure the pipes are hot, but you can't tell when youre yankin n bankin.

to the guy's that removed ( guted) the CAT how much more noisy the bike become ? Is there a considerable change in noise levels ?

not only does it cools the ambient temperature down, the ceramic coating is suppose to add another 5 hp to the bike due to increased temperature within the pipes creating a hotter blowout. In addition, it will create a deeper throatier rumble. So all in all, I think it is a good investment for $200.

Today i ran the piss out of the 1 high 70's, not hot bike temp got to 218F at stop lights. When i was parking the bike for the day my hand touched the frame and it was pretty damn toasty. Out of curiosity i wanted to feel just how hot the header pipe was, reached in the fairing thinking this is the stupidest thing i've done in months. Touched the radiator hose which was hotter than hell(burn you like the midday sun) tapped the header pipe felt nothing, put my whole hand on it nothing. The bike was sitting for 10 min. but the header pipe felt like the bike was never ridden.http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w61/slugbait71/Copyof100_5358.jpg

ya the headers are pretty thin so they cool quickly. believe me they were hot when it was running. Today i ran the piss out of the 1 high 70's, not hot bike temp got to 218F at stop lights. When i was parking the bike for the day my hand touched the frame and it was pretty damn toasty. Out of curiosity i wanted to feel just how hot the header pipe was, reached in the fairing thinking this is the stupidest thing i've done in months. Touched the radiator hose which was hotter than hell(burn you like the midday sun) tapped the header pipe felt nothing, put my whole hand on it nothing. The bike was sitting for 10 min. but the header pipe felt like the bike was never ridden.http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w61/slugbait71/Copyof100_5358.jpg

ok got the pipes done and have been running the bike through town for the last few days. Unfortunately (for me that is) it wasn't the complete solution that I was hoping for. There is still massive amount of heat emanating from the cat/pipes at a stoplight. Even through the leathers I can feel the heat cooking my thigh. However having said that, the black satin finish looks wicked as well as the deeper throtier sound of the pipes. Gone are the rusty brownish looking pipes. It is now apparent to me that the heat is all because of the Cat which I'll be looking to replace it with a Y pipe this coming summer; probably have it coated as well. Here are some pics of my project...

i dont understand how you guys that are saying we're complaining too much arent getting hot. you say just go faster. well the faster i go the more of a jet stream there is on my right thigh. also i rode on the hwy last night for approx 20 mins at 80+mph and it felt like my nut sack was sitting in a frying pan and a blow torch on my right ass cheek. temp last night was an absolutely gorgeous night. around 70deg with low hum. i have a gutted cat. it and the stock cat back are ceramic coated inside and out. so why should we stop complaining? if somethings hot its hot. if something is bothersome we'd like to do something about it. its not even summer yet and im aready angry at this bike. my 2000 r1 in dead summer was like sitting on a cooler compared to this hot box. my coolant temps are perfect. stays under 200 at all times. i shut my bike off at any stoplight that i can see ill be there for a while. ive always done this. theres just so much heat coming off EVERYWHERE that its sickening. 40-50mph cruising is nice. heat doesnt bother me much. slower than that and it builds up. faster than that gives a jet stream of heat right up my ass. sooooo. the heat on my right thigh i can tolerate. my balls in a frying pan i cannot. so my first attempt is gonna be to wrap the headers and exup with header wrap. also im gonna put some heat shielding of some sort under the seat. we'll start there. after that if i can still feel heat under the seat i will wrap the cat back. if that doesnt work...as much as i hate to do it im gonna put some sort if side mount exhaust on it. like a shorty pipe or something. my 2000 r1 had graves titanium throughout. im "hoping" that is the reason this bike was so cool and when i wrap the pipes it cuts down on the heat a lot. as you can see i love this bike a lot to go through all this trouble. if i dont get good results then i guess ill be happy with the more hp i get from going to a gixxer 1k :thumbup

Yep.....Bikes "are" hot :dunno :p

Gutting the cat and wrapping it all tonight. I'll update after the trackday on Friday.

Gutting the cat and wrapping it all tonight. I'll update after the trackday on Friday.howd that work out for you?

It made a big difference in the heat on my legs and you can actually touch the rear plastics after a session. I would call this a "must do" for anybody with the stock pipes. Now that I'm running cooler, I need to cool the bike down. Using Water Wetter already and looking for extended radiators or oil cooler.

It made a big difference in the heat on my legs and you can actually touch the rear plastics after a session. I would call this a "must do" for anybody with the stock pipes. Now that I'm running cooler, I need to cool the bike down. Using Water Wetter already and looking for extended radiators or oil cooler.sounds good. so what exactly did you wrap? the cat and the pipes up to the cans?

Yes. The whole mid-pipe, after removing both the cats, and the two pipes going into the end cans.

What brand of header wrap did you guys use?

I still have yet to read in any of the threads about the heat issues..... IF I GUT THE CAT WILL IT CHANGE THE PERFORMANCE???????? And if so is it good or bad? Need to be remapped???

I still have yet to read in any of the threads about the heat issues..... IF I GUT THE CAT WILL IT CHANGE THE PERFORMANCE???????? And if so is it good or bad? Need to be remapped???the absolutely first thing i did to my bike was gut the cat. i dont believe i gained any performance. it gave my bike a little more sound but not much. i did not remap and the bike still ran excellent. i do not believe that the cat is a restriction. the area where the honey comb is...is bigger in dia than the rest of the pipe. so even with the honey comb stuff in there...its still the same amount if not more area than the rest of the pipes. hope this helps. if you have anymore questions just ask.

What brand of header wrap did you guys use?i have not done mine yet. i ordered it yesterday...should be here tomorrow. this is what i ordered http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=THE%2D11021&N=700+4294923290+400356+115&autoview=sku i also ordered this and am gonna try it out. i think it will work nice. when i go to the drag strip i get a lot of stuff on the pipes from burnouts. i think it would be hard to clean off the header wrap so this spray on stuff should make it easier to keep nice. http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=THE%2D12001&N=700+4294922165+115&autoview=sku

Where are you going to start & stop the wrap? Or is it better to ceramic coat the exhaust? If I remove the exhaust to get it coated, do I need a new header gasket? And what's the torque for the header?

these bikes aren´t the most comfortable in the world and the heat just adds to the list, but i love my R1even if it keeps my ass nice and toasty on a hot ass summer day....:riding

I only notice bad heat when I'm stopped at a light or going very slow and it only hits my shins. Its almost to the point of being painful but not unbearable. Only complaint about the bike is the hard seat after riding a while, thank God I didnt get a CBR, that seat feels like a board compared to the R1. I need a softer seat for my butt or better yet I need to lose weight.

http://www.designengineering.com/products.asp?m=sc&cid=3

The header wraps do work but they can cause the pipes to warp or crack from the retained heat. Had the exhaust crack on a car I had it on.

here is what i did this weekend. got some heat matt and lined the compartment under the seat. its about 1/4" thick fiber with aluminum shielding on both sides. rode for about an hour and noticed the seat was much better. i mean youre still gonna get some heat soak from the entire bike being warm but it was MUCH better. i was having the problem where like a 3" diameter area about 3" behind the tank was just getting unbarably hot. so far it seems that is solved. next mod on sunday was took the headers and exup down. no you dont need new header gaskets. they are reusable. as far as torque im not sure. they were very tight taking off so i put them back on very tight. i wrapped from the start of the primarys all the way down to the exup. leaving the exup undone...then continued wrapping the single pipe all the way to the cat. first impressions were that the bike is much quieter. i like it even if thats all it does for me. i tried to take a long ride but it was much cooler here on sunday so it was hard to get in a situation where id notice much. but i did notice there was less heat coming from the front of the bike while moving. im sure it helped...hopefully a lot...but im sure at least a little. we will see when weather gets hot again. currently im wrapping an extra cat and cans/pipes i have. when its done then ill replace the existing stuff and see the difference there. ill post back when im done. probably wont do it till next week.

Thanks for the info. How much wrap did it take? How much more do you think you'll use to wrap the cat and cans?

I installed a K&N filter, gutted my cat, and have GTY-R slip ons. Do I need a power commander? I'm not interested in the extra power. I just want to make sure I'm not going to damage my bike. I've read some threads about exhaust mods making the bike run lean (although those threads were on full exhaust systems). Thanks for any info

You don't NEED a power commander but it will noticeably smoother, I suggest doing the smog block off plates as well.

Thanks for the info. How much wrap did it take? How much more do you think you'll use to wrap the cat and cans?well i had a 50' roll of 2" wide wrap already. i used that for the header primaries. id say it used 3/4 of the roll. im using the 1" stuff i just bought for the cat and baffle pipes. after im done ill comment on which stuff is better to use. the 2" or the 1". and wetting the stuff really does make it much easier to work with. also that black header wrap paint i bought makes it look much nicer. i didnt do a detailed job on the headers cuz you dont see much of them. but on the other pipes im gonna try to make them look nice. ill post pics and results when done. wont be till next week at least.