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03-02-2008, 11:06 AM
Good races, but WTF is up with Biaggi?:dunno
Phillip Island Racealpine 03-02-2008, 11:06 AM Good races, but WTF is up with Biaggi?:dunno GPD270 03-02-2008, 01:35 PM Good races, but WTF is up with Biaggi?:dunno
Man that was a nasty wreck in the second race. adrinalinjunkie 03-02-2008, 06:03 PM Man that was a nasty wreck in the second race.
Dam he got sooooooooo luck that gravel didn't chuck his ass up in the air! That guy is a lose cannon and is going to hurt someone and himself. Fast rider maybe, smart rider...not sooo much. Disappointing weekend from Yamaha. Honda looking good. And what was up with the first race 1st lap chaos! crazy vin2stroke 03-02-2008, 06:58 PM Biaggi's crash was nasty, that was very high speed. Im pissed about Haga not doin welL.
Hope Hage recovers from his last crash and starts winning races.
Some really good battles though in both races, 5 to 6 bikes at times battleing for a possition, great racing. :) GPD270 03-02-2008, 07:01 PM Dam he got sooooooooo luck that gravel didn't chuck his ass up in the air! That guy is a lose cannon and is going to hurt someone and himself. Fast rider maybe, smart rider...not sooo much. Disappointing weekend from Yamaha. Honda looking good. And what was up with the first race 1st lap chaos! crazy
The first race looked like a bunch of bumper cars going at it. justforfun 03-02-2008, 07:20 PM Our boys are struggling. although it's been only 4 races, it looks like the 1098+Bayliss will run away with the championship. If not a Yamaha I'm rooting for CC#7. SpidermanSS 03-03-2008, 07:44 AM RESULTS:
Corser second in race one as Haga fights hard
Troy Corser went through one race of joy and endured one non-finish at the challenging Phillip Island circuit in Australia, taking a masterful second place in race one but falling out of contention for the podium places in race two. On his home track, Corser had to work hard with his Yamaha Motor Italia WSB Team to find a good raceday set-up and he made adjustments between races to improve it still more, finding great gains until his race finished early.
Noriyuki Haga celebrated his 33rd birthday today but not in the way he wished on the racetrack, taking eighth in race one and seventh in race two. He found traction issues in each 22-lap race, following on from similar concerns in qualifying at Phillip Island.
A dramatic race one had to be restarted after a startline incident, when Michel Fabrizio's machine stalled on the line and was struck first by the unsighted David Checa (Yamaha GMT94 Team) and then more powerfully by privateer Vittorio Iannuzzo, who was injured in the impact, breaking his left wrist. As Iannuzzo lay trackside the race was red-flagged, and a complete 22-lap restart called.
In the second race, Corser was fast off the line, too fast for the race officials, and he was given a jump-start penalty in controversial circumstances. Unsure if the penalty signal was for him, he carried on initially, but fell on lap five, having led for three laps and looking strong for another podium finish at least. Corser was uninjured by his high-speed crash exiting the first left-hand corner, and felt he must have slid off on oil or water lying on the racing line.
Fast starting in each race, Haga was forced to go backwards through the field, having a lonely race towards the end of the first contest, but working hard in race two to defend his seventh place finish.
Even with his race two no score, Corser is fourth in the championship chase, with 45 points, while Haga, who has scored in every race so far, is on 22 points, holding ninth place.
David Checa (Yamaha GMT94) was lucky to escape the race one startline incident with only a badly cut left foot, and he recovered from a DNF in the restart to take a fine 12th place in race two. His team-mate Sebastien Gimbert just missed a point in race one, but had a neck-and-neck race with Checa in race two and scored 13th place.
Team YZF Yamaha squad rider Shinichi Nakatomi overcame some difficult moments in qualifying to take two points scores, going 15th in each race, approximately thirty seconds behind the leaders each time.
Troy Corser
Troy Corser (2nd and DNF - Yamaha Italy WSB Team)
"There were a few tough passes in that first race, but I never panicked even when I got run wide a couple of times. The bike wasn't perfect and we were moving around a bit too much. We were going as fast as we could sideways! We made changes for race two and it was a lot better. Overall a podium in race one was not too bad. They definitely held the start too long in race two. It was like the starting light was on, on and then on some more, then it went off. It was way too long to wait. I knew I had moved, but I had stopped again. Anyway I felt much more confident on the bike and in control in race two but it seemed to me that there was a small line of oil on the corner and that's what it felt like - tucking the front on oil. I thought there would be bikes coming into the gravel trap after me. We learned many things this weekend and I think we could have finished second in race two at least, maybe even challenged Troy Bayliss."
Noriyuki Haga
Noriyuki Haga (8th and 7th - Yamaha Italy WSB Team)
"My physical condition was OK today because I had a very effective massage from the Clinica Mobile people, so thanks to them. This whole weekend has just been down to a lack of grip. It feels like the first two races this year have just been an exercise for me. We have not had the chance to build our performance on the bike so it feels like our season will start in the European races."
Massimo Meregalli (Team Manager, Yamaha Motor Italia WSB Team)
"We had a lot of trouble with grip all weekend and I think what Troy achieved in race one was earned by Troy. We made the same settings for Nori in race two as we did for Troy, but he did not feel any great benefit. We always seem to have a struggle in Qatar and here, but we will be back when we get to Europe. We never give up and the season is a long one."
Shinichi Nakatomi (21st and DNF - Team YZF Yamaha)
"I had a better feel from the tyres in the first race, not so much in the second. We scored points in both races, which was a good reward for the team, who work so hard."
Cristophe Guyot: (Team Manager Yamaha GMT94 Team)
"As we are still racing these bikes 12kgs over weight and on Endurance specifications mainly, we can be very happy with these results. Unfortunately David Checa was involved in a crash during the start of race one, resulting in pain in his neck and quite a big wound on his foot. For race two both riders did a great job - David with his injuries and Sebastien with a lesser spec YZF-R1. WSB is a perfect experience for the team and is major benefit for our Endurance efforts.
Our aim is to be on of the top contenders in WSB. For Valencia we will be able to lose a couple of kilograms and we have some additional YEC (Yamaha racing) kit parts available for our riders and therefore we have great hopes for that race as well."
Round 2: Phillip Island, Australia
Track length: 4445m
Fastest Superbike lap: 1:31.493 (Troy Bayliss, Ducati)
Lap record: 1'31.826 (Troy Corser, Yamaha)
Last year's winners: Troy Bayliss (Ducati) and James Toseland (Honda)
Circuit Length: 4445
Temp: 22
Weather: Sunny
2008 WSB Australia - Phillip Island 02/03/2008
Race 1
Pos. Rider Manu. Nat. Total Time
1 Troy Bayliss Ducati AUS 34'22.933
2 Troy Corser Yamaha AUS 0'4.221
3 Michel Fabrizio Ducati ITA 0'4.738
4 Ruben Xaus Ducati ESP 0'5.171
5 Fonsi Nieto Suzuki ESP 0'5.543
6 Carlos Checa Honda ESP 0'5.895
7 Max Neukirchner Suzuki GER 0'5.964
8 Noriyuki Haga Yamaha JPN 0'14.826
9 Ryuichi Kiyonari Honda JPN 0'18.899
10 Roberto Rolfo Honda ITA 0'20.633
11 Gregorio Lavilla Honda ESP 0'21.601
12 Karl Muggeridge Honda AUS 0'29.281
13 Lorenzo Lanzi Ducati ITA 0'29.500
14 Kenan Sofuoglu Honda TUR 0'30.030
15 Shinichi Nakatomi Yamaha JPN 0'30.223
16 Sebastien Gimbert Yamaha FRA 0'30.800
Race 2
Pos. Rider Manu. Nat. Total Time
1 Troy Bayliss Ducati AUS 34'35.284
2 Carlos Checa Honda ESP 0'1.127
3 Fonsi Nieto Suzuki ESP 0'4.395
4 Ruben Xaus Ducati ESP 0'6.621
5 Max Neukirchner Suzuki GER 0'11.550
6 Ryuichi Kiyonari Honda JPN 0'11.620
7 Noriyuki Haga Yamaha JPN 0'12.049
8 Gregorio Lavilla Honda ESP 0'12.134
9 Russel Holland Honda AUS 0'13.462
10 Karl Muggeridge Honda AUS 0'15.519
11 Kenan Sofuoglu Honda TUR 0'16.225
12 David Checa Yamaha ESP 0'21.959
13 Sebastien Gimbert Yamaha FRA 0'21.989
14 Makoto Tamada Kawasaki JPN 0'29.106
15 Shinichi Nakatomi Yamaha JPN 0'29.219
Best Lap
Rider Manu. Nat. Total Time
Troy Bayliss Ducati AUS 1'32.516
Rider Standings 02/03/2008
Pos. Rider Manu. Nat. Points
1. Troy Bayliss Ducati AUS 88
2. Fonsi Nieto Suzuki ESP 61
3. Ruben Xaus Ducati ESP 59
4. Troy Corser Yamaha AUS 45
5. Carlos Checa Honda ESP 45
6. Max Neukirchner Suzuki GER 39
7. Max Biaggi Ducati ITA 36
8. Michel Fabrizio Ducati ITA 34
9. Noriyuki Haga Yamaha JPN 22
10. Gregorio Lavilla Honda ESP 18
11. Ryuichi Kiyonari Honda JPN 17
12. Kenan Sofuoglu Honda TUR 17
13. Lorenzo Lanzi Ducati ITA 13
14. Jakub Smrz Ducati CZE 13
15. Roberto Rolfo Honda ITA 12
20. David Checa Yamaha ESP 4
21. Sebastien Gimbert Yamaha FRA 3
22. Shinichi Nakatomi Yamaha JPN 2
Manufacturer Standings 02/03/2008
Pos. Manufacturer Points
1. Ducati 95
2. Suzuki 63
3. Yamaha 54
4. Honda 46
5. Kawasaki 7
RACE REPORT 02/03/2008
Foret just misses podium as Parkes crashes out
Fabien Foret
A breathtaking 21-lap World Supersport race at Phillip Island provided very different fortunes for the Yamaha World Supersport Team's riders, Fabien Foret and Broc Parkes.
Foret overcame a poor start and went from sixth on lap one to the lead on lap 20, only to be swamped by riders as the finish line approached. He ended round two a strong fourth, only 0.780 seconds from the win, and in a group of six riders covered by only 1.228 seconds.
Broc Parkes was looking good for another podium finish to go with his race win at Qatar last weekend until he fell under braking into the tight downhill right hand MG corner on lap two while leading. The tough Aussie rider remounted to try and score some points, but was forced to stop after entering the pits to check his machine over.
Andrew Pitt, who was a non-finisher in the opening round in Qatar, won the race and therefore the World Championship battle is still a relatively open one. Parkes is currently fourth, sharing a total of 25 points with two other riders, while Foret's 13 Phillip Island points take him to eight in the championship.
Massimo Roccoli (Yamaha Team Italia Lorenzini by Leoni) put his Qatar disappointments behind him with a strong ninth place finish, just over ten seconds from the win after 21-laps of frantic raceday action throughout the field.
David Salom (Yamaha Spain World Supersport team) finished out of the points in 18th after taking to the grass on lap two, and he is now 15th on points, one place ahead of Roccoli.
Fabien Foret (4th - +0'0.780 - Yamaha World Supersport Team)
"I was happy to be able to catch the leaders even if I did not have so much grip in the race. I could follow them and the plan was to wait for the last lap. Then I was hoping to use the slipstream and use the R6's high top speed to pass and then keep them behind me. But when I saw McCoy coming from behind I knew I could not wait anymore. So I had to push and I got into the lead. It was a hard fight on the last lap but I just wanted points in this race. To get 13 points is not what I wanted but it is better than two no-scores in a row. The championship is open, and the season is long."
Broc Parkes
Broc Parkes (DNF - Yamaha World Supersport Team)
"I had just got into the lead and I was keen to stay there, just racing the clock. The pace was not strong in the first lap so that's why I decided to go out in front. Entering the MG corner on the second lap everything just felt normal, like every other lap, until the front went away from me. Maybe the tyre wasn't quite warm on the right side. I tried to continue but the handlebar was too bent. By the time I got back to the pits the race was over for me."
Wilco Zeelenberg (Team Manager, Yamaha World Supersport Team)
"It looked like a good race was coming for Broc because he had a very good pace in morning warm-up. We talked things through and we knew our riders were strong enough to lead. Maybe Broc just went too early. But that's racing, you can't wait sometimes. Fabien's starts are always a bit cautious, but that is not a big problem for him. He always finds his pace early and can catch up. He had to push hard near the end even though it wasn't the ideal time to do it, so he had to try harder in the braking areas. It is impossible for any rider to defend a lead at this track because of the slipstreaming opportunities. Overall the race package we have is good and when we get it all together things will be fine."
Massimo Roccoli (9th - +0'10.594 - Yamaha Team Italia Lorenzini by Leoni)
"After warm-up the bike felt OK but I had to work hard to gain some positions at the front during the race. Vizziello, Nannelli and I had a very similar pace so we ended up racing together. After 15 laps the rear tyre was sliding more and more and it was impossible to push at the same speed as the beginning. These are my first points of the year, so overall I am happy."
David Salom (18th - +36.396 seconds - Yamaha Spain World Supersport Team)
"The start was not so bad but in the second lap I passed a rider under braking but I was too fast and my bike didn't stop. I left the track and ran onto the grass. It was like starting all over again but I had a good pace and passed many riders, until I found myself on my own again. The team did a great job and I hope never to make the same mistake under braking again."
Round 2: Phillip Island, Australia
Track length: 4445m
Fastest Supersport lap: 1:34.592 (Andrew Pitt, Honda)
Lap record: 1:34.976 (Sebastien Charpentier, Honda)
Last year's winner: Fabien Foret (Kawasaki)
Circuit Length: 4445
Temp: 29
Crowd: 65400
Weather: Sunny
2008 WSS Australia - Phillip Island 02/03/2008
Race 1 - 21 Laps
Pos. Rider Manu. Nat. Total Time
1 Andrew Pitt Honda AUS 33'51.257
2 Joshua Brookes Honda AUS 0'0.062
3 Robbin Harms Honda DNK 0'0.597
4 Fabien Foret Yamaha FRA 0'0.780
5 Jonathan Rea Honda GBR 0'0.976
6 Garry McCoy Triumph AUS 0'1.228
7 Joan Lascorz Honda ESP 0'6.590
8 Gianluca Vizziello Honda ITA 0'10.266
9 Massimo Roccoli Yamaha ITA 0'10.594
10 Gianluca Nannelli Honda ITA 0'10.991
11 Ivan Clementi Triumph ITA 0'16.068
12 Mark Aitchinson Triumph AUS 0'16.245
13 Graeme Gowland Honda GBR 0'16.355
14 Chris Walker Kawasaki GBR 0'16.526
15 Vesa Kallio Honda FIN 0'17.270
18 David Salom Yamaha ESP 0'36.396
Best Lap
Rider Manu. Nat. Total Time
Robbin Harms Honda DNK 1'35.429
Rider Standings 02/03/2008
Pos. Rider Manu. Nat. Points
1. Joshua Brookes Honda AUS 33
2. Joan Lascorz Honda ESP 29
3. Andrew Pitt Honda AUS 25
4. Broc Parkes Yamaha AUS 25
5. Robbin Harms Honda DNK 25
6. Craig Jones Honda GBR 16
7. Gianluca Vizziello Honda ITA 14
8. Fabien Foret Yamaha FRA 13
9. Jonathan Rea Honda GBR 11
10. Matthieu Lagrive Honda FRA 11
11. Garry McCoy Triumph AUS 10
12. Barry Veneman Suzuki NED 10
13. Chris Walker Kawasaki GBR 9
14. Ivan Clementi Triumph ITA 9
15. David Salom Yamaha ESP 8
16. Massimo Roccoli Yamaha ITA 7
Manufacturer Standings 02/03/2008
Pos. Manufacturer Points
1. Honda 45
2. Yamaha 38
3. Triumph 14
4. Suzuki 10
5. Kawasaki 9 ohlarikd 03-03-2008, 08:27 AM Dam he got sooooooooo luck that gravel didn't chuck his ass up in the air! That guy is a lose cannon and is going to hurt someone and himself. Fast rider maybe, smart rider...not sooo much.
Why do you think Biaggi is a loose cannon? He crashed both times on his own pushing from 16th to near the front. First was a low side pushing too hard into the hairpin, 2nd time he had to brake so hard since Nieto braked too early that his rear wheel came off the ground, landed sideways, and at that speed it caused the rear to go out of control.
Biaggi makes some questionable moves sometimes, but so does everyone. Like someone said, it was like bumper cars in Race 2. THAT was some questionable racing going on there...
Derek GPD270 03-03-2008, 03:23 PM Anyone have a vid. of him going down in race 2? vance 03-03-2008, 04:19 PM Why do you think Biaggi is a loose cannon? He crashed both times on his own pushing from 16th to near the front. First was a low side pushing too hard into the hairpin, 2nd time he had to brake so hard since Nieto braked too early that his rear wheel came off the ground, landed sideways, and at that speed it caused the rear to go out of control.
Biaggi makes some questionable moves sometimes, but so does everyone. Like someone said, it was like bumper cars in Race 2. THAT was some questionable racing going on there...
Derek
I agree. All of those guys up front are banging around on each other. IMO, that's what makes it exciting. These guys don't settle for 2nd if the leader is within gunshot. Nothing like AMA.
Anyone have a vid. of him going down in race 2?
I have just about every race from last year and all 4 this year on my dish DVR. But when I insert my little Kingston deal into the dish receiver, it says that option is not available. But if there is anything on the Kingston, like pics, they will pop up on the TV.
If anyone knows what I need to do to transfer data from the dish to my pc, I'll be able to post up highlights of the races every Sunday night. ohlarikd 03-03-2008, 04:39 PM Anyone have a vid. of him going down in race 2?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoPhd7ELHck jake300win 03-03-2008, 05:59 PM It was good racing in both races, hopefully the Yamaha team can get it togather and make the chapionship come down to last race like it did last year. whorida002000 03-03-2008, 06:35 PM Those two races gave plenty of excitement. Biaggi was putting pressure on the leaders coming through the field like he did. But that crash in Race 2 showed how luck can come into the picture. When I first saw the crash happening I thought the bike was gonna land on him!
Michele Fabrizio was playing bumper cars with Xaus. Nieto and Xaus arguing at the end of....I think Race 2.
Hope Haga gets better. Really want to see him in the top 2. It is looking like Bayliss is gonna ride out into the Sunset on a wave of wins. But if pressured he is known to make big Mother of mistakes to let a rival catch up. SpidermanSS 03-03-2008, 07:03 PM There was a new YAMAHA USA commercial during WSB this weekend that had a the boz bike we did in it.. Anyone have it recorded or a way to find it on the net... ? vance 03-03-2008, 08:10 PM There was a new YAMAHA USA commercial during WSB this weekend that had a the boz bike we did in it.. Anyone have it recorded or a way to find it on the net... ?
I record all the races on Dish DVR, but don't know how to get it to computer....see above post. SpidermanSS 03-03-2008, 08:34 PM did you see the commercial on the race Vance.. ? I just heard about it.
thx :) vance 03-03-2008, 09:07 PM did you see the commercial on the race Vance.. ? I just heard about it.
thx :)
I always skip through them, but I just checked it out. I'm gonna take a wild guess and say this is your bike:crash SpidermanSS 03-04-2008, 07:23 AM The orange / white one we built for Yamaha to give to Ben and Eric Bostrom at Laguna Seca this year....
http://www.tobefast.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=4500 GPD270 03-04-2008, 11:34 AM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoPhd7ELHck
There it is.... thanks!!!! GPD270 03-04-2008, 11:35 AM There was a new YAMAHA USA commercial during WSB this weekend that had a the boz bike we did in it.. Anyone have it recorded or a way to find it on the net... ?
I have them both saved but I dont know how I would get them to you. SpidermanSS 03-04-2008, 12:04 PM Dayuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum ohlarikd 03-04-2008, 12:22 PM English Version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTm3OF3LXtw&NR=1
Eurosport
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IXIxyX0p3k&NR=1 GPD270 03-04-2008, 11:53 PM English Version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTm3OF3LXtw&NR=1
Eurosport
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IXIxyX0p3k&NR=1
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