Amsoil??

Quick question i just bought an 2002 R1 with 13,000 miles on it and I want to know which Amsoil do you guys recommend that I use?

Welcome to the Forum. No one ever went wrong with 10w40.

Question for the Amsoil guys: Does Amsoil use exclusively Group III, Group IV, Group V, or some combination of all three as base stock? Does Amsoil use the same base stock for all its oils? Or does Amsoil use a Group III for one oil, Group IV for another, etc., or a combination of two or more groups in one oil? I know that manufacturers are allowed to claim full synthetic in the US even if their oil is based on Group III...thanks to Mobil 1 & Castrol duking it out in court after Castrol started claiming that Syntec was full-synth even though it was based on Group III....

Quick question i just bought an 2002 R1 with 13,000 miles on it and I want to know which Amsoil do you guys recommend that I use? AMSOIL Product Code MCF 10W-40.. EAOM-103 is the filter... Contact Myself or rexmitchell here on the Forum.. We sell at Dealer Cost Question for the Amsoil guys: Does Amsoil use exclusively Group III, Group IV, Group V, or some combination of all three as base stock? Does Amsoil use the same base stock for all its oils? Or does Amsoil use a Group III for one oil, Group IV for another, etc., or a combination of two or more groups in one oil? I know that manufacturers are allowed to claim full synthetic in the US even if their oil is based on Group III...thanks to Mobil 1 & Castrol duking it out in court after Castrol started claiming that Syntec was full-synth even though it was based on Group III.... Correct on the Hydro Cracks being able to call themselve Synthetic... Castrol, Mobil and MANY others use the Fully Synthetic Term quite well now. If we are staying with the MotorCycle Oils... PAO with Esters... (group IV and V) A pure PAO Base oil does not have the "Cling". The Addition of Esters Polarize the oil so it "Clings" to the metal surfaces and Esters are also Superior Cleaning agents. PAO with Esters are considered to be the best oils at this time. AMSOIL does have some Hydro-Cracked oils. These are the XL line for cars and are NOT to be used in MotorCycles. They also have a Diesel Blend which may be elimnated soon. Although Most AMSOIL Products are PAO Products, even AMSOIL is trying to steer us away from using certain terms and %'s of Base Stock and concentrate more on the performance of the oil itself.. Not because they are trying to hide anything but, you never know what the next "Greatest Oil" will be. Will it be the Exotic Synthetics they are experimenting with ? Or, will someone come up with something that will so greatly improve Petroleum oils ? Right now, Nothing outperforms PAO w/Ester in Most cases. Doc

Correct on the Hydro Cracks being able to call themselve Synthetic... Castrol, Mobil and MANY others use the Fully Synthetic Term quite well now. If we are staying with the MotorCycle Oils... PAO with Esters... (group IV and V) A pure PAO Base oil does not have the "Cling". The Addition of Esters Polarize the oil so it "Clings" to the metal surfaces and Esters are also Superior Cleaning agents. PAO with Esters are considered to be the best oils at this time. So your motorcycle oil doesn't use any Group III? The base stock is 100% PAO? AMSOIL does have some Hydro-Cracked oils. These are the XL line for cars and are NOT to be used in MotorCycles. They also have a Diesel Blend which may be elimnated soon. Although Most AMSOIL Products are PAO Products, even AMSOIL is trying to steer us away from using certain terms and %'s of Base Stock and concentrate more on the performance of the oil itself.. This is exactly the line Mobil is taking in response to questions on their website relating to the formulation of their oil. They won't confirm which Group their oil is based on, and do not deny that it uses Group III Base Stock. Here is a typical question along with their answer from their website: Question: Response to Claims that Products Contain 'Mostly Mineral Oil' I've seen claims of gas chromatograph analysis of Mobil 1 Extended Performance 5W-30 SM dated 10-06 that state it is "mostly mineral oil". Realizing that you cannot divulge your exact formulations, what do you say to the critics that claim you are using a high percentage of hydro processed mineral oil in Mobil 1 instead of the more expensive PAO or polyester base stocks? -- Jeff Willett, St. Peters, MOhttp://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/images/spacer.gif Answer: Just like other companies, we do not discuss our product formulations for obvious proprietary reasons. Mobil 1 Extended Performance is formulated using a combination of high performance fluids including PAO, along with a proprietary system of performance additives. But in the end, it is also about performance. Mobil 1 is used by more Original Equipment Manufacturers than any other oil as factory fill in their vehicles. Also take note of the kind of testing we put our product through, including the Las Vegas field testing (http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Synthetics/Product_Testing_Las_Vegas.aspx) we recently completed. The Mobil 1 technology is also tested each weekend on the race track. In fact, more than 50 percent of all NASCAR teams use Mobil 1.Mobil's failure to deny the use of Group III Base Stock would seem to indicate that it is true, especially since, years ago, before the Castrol lawsuit, they used to heavily advertise Mobil 1 as being based on Group IV (PAO). Not because they are trying to hide anything but, you never know what the next "Greatest Oil" will be. Will it be the Exotic Synthetics they are experimenting with ? Or, will someone come up with something that will so greatly improve Petroleum oils ? Right now, Nothing outperforms PAO w/Ester in Most cases. Doc

I have to do an oil change on my 07 R1, had dealer do first few services for warranty purposes, but now will do it myself. I use Mobile 1 in all my automobiles but what my question is- what is the best oil to use in my bike? Very BEST- Weight and brand? Thanks, appreciate it.

AMSOIL Product Code MCF 10W-40.. EAOM-103 is the filter... Contact Myself or rexmitchell here on the Forum.. We sell at Dealer Cost Correct on the Hydro Cracks being able to call themselve Synthetic... Castrol, Mobil and MANY others use the Fully Synthetic Term quite well now. If we are staying with the MotorCycle Oils... PAO with Esters... (group IV and V) A pure PAO Base oil does not have the "Cling". The Addition of Esters Polarize the oil so it "Clings" to the metal surfaces and Esters are also Superior Cleaning agents. PAO with Esters are considered to be the best oils at this time. AMSOIL does have some Hydro-Cracked oils. These are the XL line for cars and are NOT to be used in MotorCycles. They also have a Diesel Blend which may be elimnated soon. Although Most AMSOIL Products are PAO Products, even AMSOIL is trying to steer us away from using certain terms and %'s of Base Stock and concentrate more on the performance of the oil itself.. Not because they are trying to hide anything but, you never know what the next "Greatest Oil" will be. Will it be the Exotic Synthetics they are experimenting with ? Or, will someone come up with something that will so greatly improve Petroleum oils ? Right now, Nothing outperforms PAO w/Ester in Most cases. Doc Why yes, yes we do!

Why yes, yes we do! :dunno Yes you do what???

I have to do an oil change on my 07 R1, had dealer do first few services for warranty purposes, but now will do it myself. I use Mobile 1 in all my automobiles but what my question is- what is the best oil to use in my bike? Very BEST- Weight and brand? Thanks, appreciate it. I have no doubt Amsoil is good stuff but I've been running Shell Rotella T Synthetic 5W-40 in my R1 for years and it performs very very well. Just changed it last week, the shifting is super smooth and the R1 is still getting almost 50 miles/Gallon(freeway commute) and that's corrected miles with a Black Box. About $19/Gallon at Walmart and change it every 4,000 miles. Mark 99 R1

The best oil available is pure synthetic (0% petroleum) with as much Group V as possible (is it even possible to mfgr. a 100% ester lubricant?). However, it's difficult to impossible to determine which oils would fit this category, due to the gov't allowing lubricants containing conventional oil to be labeled as synthetic, along with reluctance of the petrochem cos. to publish this data.

So your motorcycle oil doesn't use any Group III? The base stock is 100% PAO? This is exactly the line Mobil is taking in response to questions on their website relating to the formulation of their oil. They won't confirm which Group their oil is based on, and do not deny that it uses Group III Base Stock. Here is a typical question along with their answer from their website: Mobil's failure to deny the use of Group III Base Stock would seem to indicate that it is true, especially since, years ago, before the Castrol lawsuit, they used to heavily advertise Mobil 1 as being based on Group IV (PAO). AMSOIL's MCT, MCF and MCV MotorCycle oils are 100% Synthetic utilizing PAO w/Esters for the Base Stocks and the rest is in Additives. There is a lot going on right now in the Industry with some of the big oil companies. I have some information but, as of yet, have not had the time since I acquired it this past weekend, to go through it. Some of it pertains to Mobil 1 and what is going on with their formulation. I have personally spoken with a Tech at a Prominent Lab and they are showing that M-1 is not testing as it should, but they were Very surprised at how one of the AMSOIL SSO is performing in a Specific Application where the OEM is having Severe Fuel Dilution Problems.. This is an automotive App. Yes, Mobil is the leader in OEM oil... They practically give the oil to the OEM's, pay for a good part of the Liturature printing and for the oil caps. they make it up in sales afterwards. AMSOIL is knocking on Mobil 1's door right now for automotive without the OEM Sales and AMSOIL is the Largest Manufacturer of Synthetic MotorCycle oils. People that say "I've used this oil for XX years and never had a problem" also need to understand that the oil they bought just 2 years ago is not the oil they are buying today in most cases. Bob S.

I have to do an oil change on my 07 R1, had dealer do first few services for warranty purposes, but now will do it myself. I use Mobile 1 in all my automobiles but what my question is- what is the best oil to use in my bike? Very BEST- Weight and brand? Thanks, appreciate it. Although some may think it is Biased Information, I look at it this way. I don't say the things I do about AMSOIL to sell it, I sell AMSOIL because I can say those things... Now... First, Filters... Nothing outperforms the AMSOIL EA Series Filter. It is conservatively rated at 15 Micron Absolute. Second, Oil... If you want the Best, it is going to be AMSOIL but, if you look at the G-2156 Link in our Sig, any of the Top 3 Finishers will serve you well. We offer Unbeatable Pricing Specials to Forum Members. Please contact us and we will set you up with an AMSOIL Dealer to take care of your needs. Bob S.

The best oil available is pure synthetic (0% petroleum) with as much Group V as possible (is it even possible to mfgr. a 100% ester lubricant?). However, it's difficult to impossible to determine which oils would fit this category, due to the gov't allowing lubricants containing conventional oil to be labeled as synthetic, along with reluctance of the petrochem cos. to publish this data. Actually, tests have shown otherwise and Group V oils can have some problems of their own. The best performing oils for an automotive type application right now are PAO w/Esters. This includes MotorCycles. Please take a look at the G-2156 Link in our Sig. Bob S.

I have no doubt Amsoil is good stuff but I've been running Shell Rotella T Synthetic 5W-40 in my R1 for years and it performs very very well. Just changed it last week, the shifting is super smooth and the R1 is still getting almost 50 miles/Gallon(freeway commute) and that's corrected miles with a Black Box. About $19/Gallon at Walmart and change it every 4,000 miles. Mark 99 R1 Not saying Rotella T (actually is not a Synthetic) is a bad oil. A lot of Bikers use it with reasonable results. I always say: reasonable results can be had by using a Good Petroleum oil and a Good filter. Superior results can be had by using a Premium Synthetic and a Premium Filter. Also: Regardless of Brand, Synthetic or Petroleum, I always recommend the use of a MotorCycle Specific oil with a JASO Rating of MA, better yet, MA-2, but never MB There is a Difference between Auto/Diesel oils and M/C oils. Bob S.

Not saying Rotella T (actually is not a Synthetic) is a bad oil. A lot of Bikers use it with reasonable results. I always say: reasonable results can be had by using a Good Petroleum oil and a Good filter. Superior results can be had by using a Premium Synthetic and a Premium Filter. Also: Regardless of Brand, Synthetic or Petroleum, I always recommend the use of a MotorCycle Specific oil with a JASO Rating of MA, better yet, MA-2, but never MB There is a Difference between Auto/Diesel oils and M/C oils. Bob S. do you have a recommendation on when to change filters? i've read some people change it with every oil change and some change it every other oil change.

do you have a recommendation on when to change filters? i've read some people change it with every oil change and some change it every other oil change. Every time you change your oil ! Bob S.

:dunno Yes you do what??? sell amsoil at dealer cost

I change my EAO filter once a year and my oil 3 years for the bike, but I test my oil. Caught a slight traces of coolant in the oil for my wife's car so all the vehicles get tested now.

I change my EAO filter once a year and my oil 3 years for the bike, but I test my oil. Caught a slight traces of coolant in the oil for my wife's car so all the vehicles get tested now. That is why I am such a proponent of oil analysis. Chances are if all you did was change the oil, you may not know there is a problem until you are stranded, or worse, have a puked engine. Doc

The ester Mobile 1 will do whatever you need it to do. This oil, that oil blah blah if you are changing you oil and filter when you should be any modern cycle oil is up to the task. Just like modern sport bikes that are better then about anyone riding them so is your oil. I have no worry about oil breakdown etc since I change my oil often but I would like to use an oil that is maybe thinner using up less HP. The GTR used 0-30 M1 which I have in stock. Could I use that in my R1 with good results?

The ester Mobile 1 will do whatever you need it to do. This oil, that oil blah blah if you are changing you oil and filter when you should be any modern cycle oil is up to the task. Just like modern sport bikes that are better then about anyone riding them so is your oil. I have no worry about oil breakdown etc since I change my oil often but I would like to use an oil that is maybe thinner using up less HP. The GTR used 0-30 M1 which I have in stock. Could I use that in my R1 with good results? Would like to take a look at your last sentence. "Could I use that in my R1 with good results?". Then, take a look at your second sentence. "This oil, that oil blah blah if you are changing you oil and filter when you should be any modern cycle oil is up to the task." As you say, any modern cycle oil should be up to the task... Right ? But, then you ask if it is OK... Also, Mobil 1 does not make an Ester Based oil.. Now that is out of the way... Take a look at your owners manual to see if you can use a 10W-30 and for the climate and riding conditions you have. Doc

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Doc How do i get setup with a amsoil dealer. I curently run my tahoe and my 08 r1 on amsoil. And i am probably paying way to darn much. i am currently in iraq but i know when i get back i will be needing some oil for at least my truck. The bike already has some amsoil waiting for her when i get back.

Oil Doc/ dealer. I have been using Amsoil in my bike for 6 years. But not my autos in the auto application amsoil claims 25,000 mile interval changes. Do you beleive in such infrequent changes? Also does the 25,000 mi interval apply to cycle oil? just out of curiosity, ever here of Alisyn oil? my buddy has been bragging it up. He just purchased a case. about 3$ more per qt than amsoil. JEEZ if you know anything about Alisyn oil, I would like to hear what you have to say. i want to shut up my buddy. you could PM if you dont want to post it. Have you read this report? http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Filters.html#OilFilters what is your response to their results of the Amsoil filter? And in link below what about what he states in the first paragraph, where he says "10w-40 should not be used in a 10w-40 oils should not be used in a motorcycle that runs the engine oil through the transmission." What is your response to that? http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Consumables.html#Oil

Never heard of Alisyn oil , but tried a case of Eneos in my Silverado. I'm sticking with Amsoil :thumbup

I was all up RP's a**, but I've been hearing nothing but positive things about the Amsoil and I have heard a few negatives on the RP. Also, from what I have seen Amsoil sells for much less, so it makes sense to try it. Next oil change Amsoil is going in the 1.

Doc How do i get setup with a amsoil dealer. I curently run my tahoe and my 08 r1 on amsoil. And i am probably paying way to darn much. i am currently in iraq but i know when i get back i will be needing some oil for at least my truck. The bike already has some amsoil waiting for her when i get back. PM sent

Oil Doc/ dealer. I have been using Amsoil in my bike for 6 years. But not my autos in the auto application amsoil claims 25,000 mile interval changes. Do you beleive in such infrequent changes? Also does the 25,000 mi interval apply to cycle oil? just out of curiosity, ever here of Alisyn oil? my buddy has been bragging it up. He just purchased a case. about 3$ more per qt than amsoil. JEEZ if you know anything about Alisyn oil, I would like to hear what you have to say. i want to shut up my buddy. you could PM if you dont want to post it. Have you read this report? http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Filters.html#OilFilters what is your response to their results of the Amsoil filter? And in link below what about what he states in the first paragraph, where he says "10w-40 should not be used in a 10w-40 oils should not be used in a motorcycle that runs the engine oil through the transmission." What is your response to that? http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Consumables.html#Oil Oil analysis are a good way to see how you oil is treating your engine. When using the cycle oil and amsoil filter, you can go double your OEM interval. Oil analysis kits run 22.25 plus shipping and tax.

Although some may think it is Biased Information, I look at it this way. I don't say the things I do about AMSOIL to sell it, I sell AMSOIL because I can say those things... Now... First, Filters... Nothing outperforms the AMSOIL EA Series Filter. It is conservatively rated at 15 Micron Absolute. Second, Oil... If you want the Best, it is going to be AMSOIL but, if you look at the G-2156 Link in our Sig, any of the Top 3 Finishers will serve you well. We offer Unbeatable Pricing Specials to Forum Members. Please contact us and we will set you up with an AMSOIL Dealer to take care of your needs. Bob S. What would the price be for a case? How much for filters? I assume the price does not include shipping? Thank you

Doc How do i get setup with a amsoil dealer. I curently run my tahoe and my 08 r1 on amsoil. And i am probably paying way to darn much. i am currently in iraq but i know when i get back i will be needing some oil for at least my truck. The bike already has some amsoil waiting for her when i get back. First and Foremost... THANK YOU for your Service ! My son did 3 Tours as a Marine and is now stateside in AZ. The process is simple to become a Dealer... Please send me an email to DEALER@bestoil4you.com We will gladly help you.. If you absolutely need AMSOIL now, we will also take care of you now at Dealer cost... Unfortunately, the Post Office feels the need to Rip Off our service personal that protect their Mangy butts, just to get it to the APO in NY.... I can tell you that although it needs to be hand carried to the Post Office, you will pay exact cost...no "handling fee".. wish we could tell you what that was other than the product cost. You can contact Me, Rex Mitchell or Oil Doc. We all have the same prices.. Bob

What would the price be for a case? How much for filters? I assume the price does not include shipping? Thank you When we quote you a price, it does include freight. The only thing that needs to be added is Your Local Taxes. I will PM you a price for 1 case and 3 filters. You can contact Me, Rex Mitchell or Oil Doc Bob