Is 2500 miles a Good time to go Synthetic?

I am wonder if this is a good time to go synthetic. Also will it help with running a bit cooler. About to gut the cat also for heat reasons. Thanks.:finger

How many times have you changed the oil? I like to go through several cycles with just regular mineral oil. I usually wait until I hit around 5K miles before I make the change, but this is just me.

Only the first 800 mile oil change. I would always change the oil every 1000 miles on my other bikes, but now I dont have a garage to do it myself and it is a real pain:flush:

My opinion...once the oil is broken in you can go synthetic. Break-in periodis after about the firt 600 miles. Although this number varies accoding who you ask. I mad the switch to synthetic at 1000. No harm.

My opinion...once the oil is broken in you can go synthetic. Break-in periodis after about the firt 600 miles. Although this number varies accoding who you ask. I mad the switch to synthetic at 1000. No harm. Good info. I'm at about 2500 miles and was wondering the same thing. I guess I'll make the change.

My opinion...once the oil is broken in you can go synthetic. Break-in periodis after about the firt 600 miles. Although this number varies accoding who you ask. I mad the switch to synthetic at 1000. No harm. I meant to say "once the ENGINE is broken in on regualr OIL" I'm trying to do too many things at once here. :)

i just changed mine at 2600 to full synthetic. may not be ideal or what most people say, but i don't think it matters any which way.

can i go synthetic oil on a 2001 and also will it give me more power

can i go synthetic oil on a 2001 and also will it give me more power Yes, it is likely that using synthetic oil will free up a little bit of horsepower in your engine. Like maybe a half.

I am wonder if this is a good time to go synthetic. :finger you can do it after the first oil change

I have an '08 - I've been told my slipper clutch will slip with synthetic, by a guy who has an 07...also owner's manual advises.... no one is having this prob???

I have an STM slipper and run synthetic, no problems.

I have an '08 - I've been told my slipper clutch will slip with synthetic, by a guy who has an 07...also owner's manual advises.... no one is having this prob??? I have an STM slipper and run synthetic, no problems. Thanks!

Absolutely not, I just did a rebuild on my race bike which is a superstock class motorcycle, hence this is the first time I have been into its motor. It spun a rod bearing and this is the third clutch I have went through in 7500 miles. My mechanic and I came to a common conclusion that me using synthetic oil is the reason my clutches keep failing and why the bike kept losing power because the sythetic oil was so smooth that in 7500 miles my rings NEVER seated! And the clutch never fully engages because of the same reason so the pressure plates were literally starting to melt. Thankfully the yoyodyne basket and slipper assembly were not hurt. Stay away from synthetics they prematurely killed major parts of my motor.

Absolutely not, I just did a rebuild on my race bike which is a superstock class motorcycle, hence this is the first time I have been into its motor. It spun a rod bearing and this is the third clutch I have went through in 7500 miles. My mechanic and I came to a common conclusion that me using synthetic oil is the reason my clutches keep failing and why the bike kept losing power because the sythetic oil was so smooth that in 7500 miles my rings NEVER seated! And the clutch never fully engages because of the same reason so the pressure plates were literally starting to melt. Thankfully the yoyodyne basket and slipper assembly were not hurt. Stay away from synthetics they prematurely killed major parts of my motor. thanks, since this old thread others have told me their 07-08 R1's slip the clutch with synthetic as well. I still haven't tried synthetic in mine ever since a local guy with a sweet blue R1 said his was trouble with it

thanks, since this old thread others have told me their 07-08 R1's slip the clutch with synthetic as well. I still haven't tried synthetic in mine ever since a local guy with a sweet blue R1 said his was trouble with it Castrol Full-syn w/ no problems here... And I switched from Dino oil...

Amsoil is like KY, do work!

I have an '08 - I've been told my slipper clutch will slip with synthetic, by a guy who has an 07...also owner's manual advises.... no one is having this prob??? Hmmm..... don't see how this is possible. Synthetics do not modify the friction properties - that's a property of the oil additives. Synthetics simply hold up to the shear forces much better than conventional dino stuff. I suspect that your anticdotes regarding Synthetics and clutch slipage is related to a blend of additives (probably an automotive oil vs a M/C oil) that are part of the friction modifiers package - typical in many automotive motor oils. Do some research on motor oil before you make any decisions. For me, if I break-in an fresh motor (regardlless of application), I'd do 45 mins or 25-50 miles on a fresh motor and change with conventional oil and filter. Then at 3000 miles or 60-100 hours, I'd change over to a fully synthetic oil and a micronic filter. My personal fav has been Purolator PureOne micronic filters and oil will depend on application. For M/C it's always been Shell RotellaT fully synthetic, but I've been considering trying the Amsoil product. Change oil and filter every 6 months or 3000 miles and you can't go too wrong... Jim

PS - I also like to use a magnetic oil drain plug. You'd be surprised at how well it works to collect the ultra fine powdery ferous metal that gets circulated in the motor oil and not caught by the filter.

PS - I also like to use a magnetic oil drain plug. You'd be surprised at how well it works to collect the ultra fine powdery ferous metal that gets circulated in the motor oil and not caught by the filter. Yes i also use the magnet drain plug, i use Mobil 1 and change every 2,000, my main concern is the trans, clutch, using the same three quarts of oil as the engine, rapid bearing wear if the oil is not changed.

it is the friction modifiers that are bad for the clutch honestly my friends have been racing on amsoil sythetic for years and no problems i usually change mine over to synthetic around 4k honestly i really doubt it matters all that much

Synthetic oil has a higher heat breakdown than conventional motor oils. This is the main benefit. It won't make your bike run cooler, however it may keep internal parts lasting longer. After I break my motors in I run fully synthitic Repsol. The only concern would be are your rings completely broken in. This is hard to answer as no one knows how you ride the bike. If you are the type of dude that starts and slowly cruises around at 2 - 4 grand it may not be ready until 5,00 miles. If you take it on the track you may be able to seat the rings in less than 25 miles! If you want the bike to run cooler, put a manual fan control switch on and turn it on when cruising around. This will keep your engine temp at around 168. My suggestion would be to switch to the synthetic brand of your choice after the rings are seated. Oil sample your oil at each oil change and develope an oil wear metal trend. When the wear metals become elevated pull the motor down and repair as necessary.

PS - I also like to use a magnetic oil drain plug. You'd be surprised at how well it works to collect the ultra fine powdery ferous metal that gets circulated in the motor oil and not caught by the filter. Yes i also use the magnet drain plug, i use Mobil 1 and change every 2,000, my main concern is the trans, clutch, using the same three quarts of oil as the engine, rapid bearing wear if the oil is not changed. where did u guys bought magnetic oil drain plug for 07 r1

I like to go through several cycles with just regular mineral oil. I usually wait until I hit around 5K miles before I make the change I agree.

where can i get the magnetic oil drain plug??

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My opinion...once the oil is broken in you can go synthetic. Break-in periodis after about the firt 600 miles. Although this number varies accoding who you ask. I mad the switch to synthetic at 1000. No harm. You are basically correct.. 600 miles.. there actually is no real break-in, that figure is used as the time when the machining and casting debris will have been removed from the engine.. You could actually switch at "0" miles if you wanted to waste a good oil at 600 miles. can i go synthetic oil on a 2001 and also will it give me more power Depends on the oil, as all synthetics are NOT Alike, but I can attest that AMSOIL does give a HP increase. Can you feel it in your Butt Dyno ? Probably not, but actual Dyno tests show HP Increases are made you can do it after the first oil change I have an '08 - I've been told my slipper clutch will slip with synthetic, by a guy who has an 07...also owner's manual advises.... no one is having this prob??? If they are, it goes back to "All Synthetics are NOT Alike". Most likely, those that are experiencing problems are using an automotive synthetic instead of a MotorCycle Specific oil with a JASO MA Rating or Better yet, an MA 2 rating, but never use an MB. MA 2 is the Highest Clutch performance rating available and recommended especially for High HP, high TQ bikes. Absolutely not, I just did a rebuild on my race bike which is a superstock class motorcycle, hence this is the first time I have been into its motor. It spun a rod bearing and this is the third clutch I have went through in 7500 miles. My mechanic and I came to a common conclusion that me using synthetic oil is the reason my clutches keep failing and why the bike kept losing power because the sythetic oil was so smooth that in 7500 miles my rings NEVER seated! And the clutch never fully engages because of the same reason so the pressure plates were literally starting to melt. Thankfully the yoyodyne basket and slipper assembly were not hurt. Stay away from synthetics they prematurely killed major parts of my motor. Your conclusion is flawed.. See above.. A Synthetic oil, such as AMSOIL M/C oils carry an MA 2 Rating.. Even higher than most petroleum oils.. ALSO, on rebuilt engines, due to machining practices, it is always advisable to do some break-in time with petroleum where it is NOT necessary on Factory builds. thanks, since this old thread others have told me their 07-08 R1's slip the clutch with synthetic as well. I still haven't tried synthetic in mine ever since a local guy with a sweet blue R1 said his was trouble with it Again.... Please See above... "All Synthetics are NOT Alike" Synthetic oil has a higher heat breakdown than conventional motor oils. This is the main benefit. It won't make your bike run cooler, however it may keep internal parts lasting longer. After I break my motors in I run fully synthitic Repsol. The first part of your statement is correct and also, in cooler temps, the engine starts easier and has lubrication much sooner with a True Synthetic. A True Synthetic will lower the oil temps. Oil, has 4 Major functions. COOL, Clean, Seal and Lubricate. A True Synthetic will do all those better than a Petroleum oil. The only concern would be are your rings completely broken in. This is hard to answer as no one knows how you ride the bike. If you are the type of dude that starts and slowly cruises around at 2 - 4 grand it may not be ready until 5,00 miles. If you take it on the track you may be able to seat the rings in less than 25 miles! If you want the bike to run cooler, put a manual fan control switch on and turn it on when cruising around. This will keep your engine temp at around 168. My suggestion would be to switch to the synthetic brand of your choice after the rings are seated. Oil sample your oil at each oil change and develope an oil wear metal trend. When the wear metals become elevated pull the motor down and repair as necessary. Great advice on the Oil Analysis... I do this with my MotorCycle. It let me know that the K&N Air Filter the Dealer installed was passing too much Silica (Dirt) which caused Elevated Wear Metals. After switching to the AMSOIL EA Filter, the next Oil Analysis came back OK for Wear Metals.. For look at different Synthetic M/C oils and how they perform, Please take a look at the g2156 link in our Sig. Many of these tests were performed by several ISO Accredited Independent Labs. Bob Schultz

Any side effects if engine prolong running in semi-syn oils rather than in fully-syn?:dundun:

Any side effects if engine prolong running in semi-syn oils rather than in fully-syn?:dundun: Depending on oils and filtration, Elevated wear, slightly higher oil temps, less HP ... Why not run the Best ???? Doc

HEY Doc can i use Repsol Moto 4T Fully Synthetic Racing 10w40 Oil with 2200 mile 07 r1?

HEY Doc can i use Repsol Moto 4T Fully Synthetic Racing 10w40 Oil with 2200 mile 07 r1? After your initial 600 miles, you can use ANY MotorCycle of your Choice... Whether Petroleum or Synthetic.. Doc

After your initial 600 miles, you can use ANY MotorCycle of your Choice... Whether Petroleum or Synthetic.. Doc THANKS DOC

where can i get the magnetic oil drain plug?? I got my magnetic drain plug on line it was E bay that was a few years ago when i had the R6..Same thread as R1.....

Thanks!

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I changed my dino at 300 miles to makima 10w-40 regular oil, changed again at 975 miles to Golden Spectro semi-synthetic oil....I don't redline my bike out of the box, just take it a bit easier... quick RPM bursts up to 7K, then 9K -11K RPM never hold one RPM too long, after 250 miles, take the thing to redline.....and through all the gears, my bike is real strong, and been to the track already, so she is definitely broken in, also use the quick changer mentioned by Latin

bought 2000 R1 this weekend, seller says motor been rebuilt. want to know if its okay to go ahead with synthetic, he says maybe 1000miles after rebuild. want to go synthetic now if best for bike.

bought 2000 R1 this weekend, seller says motor been rebuilt. want to know if its okay to go ahead with synthetic, he says maybe 1000miles after rebuild. want to go synthetic now if best for bike. If it was rebuilt by the previous owner or a shop and the cylinders were honed, I would like to see at least 1500 miles on the engine.. Factory engines, switch at the 600 mark. Doc

okay Doc then i will wait for next oil change.

okay Doc then i will wait for next oil change. Let me know if I can help.. Doc

any mods you think that will peak performance,