Graves 2009 R1- What you've been waiting for!!!!!!!!

Graves Motorsports Exhaust and Accessories http://www.gravesport.com/09R1/header.jpg http://www.gravesport.com/09R1/ (http://www.gravesport.com/09R1/) Taige Webster Graves Motorsports

For the guys that wanted more pics of the high mount: http://gravesport.com/09R1/images/full_1.jpg http://gravesport.com/09R1/images/full_2.jpg

Dyno graphs up....http://gravesport.com/09R1/dyno.php

is it just me, or the weld on the inside of silencer cap look kind of rough? It might be the lighting as well, but the inside lip of the cap also looks like its rusting? Do you have any pictures of how it fits further up under the seat? I

Thanks for the pics, looks much better than the other pictures.

is it just me, or the weld on the inside of silencer cap look kind of rough? It might be the lighting as well, but the inside lip of the cap also looks like its rusting? Do you have any pictures of how it fits further up under the seat? I The weld is actually quite pretty, but the Ti colors make it hard to photograph. Not sure what you mean about how it fits under the seat.

I take it the dyno runs with Graves exhausts are mapped correct?

The weld is actually quite pretty, but the Ti colors make it hard to photograph. Not sure what you mean about how it fits under the seat. My mistake... :crash:thumbup The pictures on your website make it look like there is a 2" gap between underside of the rear cowling and the exhaust. I'm assuming its so there is enough of a space so you don't melt the plastics, and to get a wrench in there when putting the exhaust on. I was hoping for a photo of where the header/y-pipe ends and the can begins. S

My mistake... :crash:thumbup The pictures on your website make it look like there is a 2" gap between underside of the rear cowling and the exhaust. I'm assuming its so there is enough of a space so you don't melt the plastics, and to get a wrench in there when putting the exhaust on. I was hoping for a photo of where the header/y-pipe ends and the can begins. S I might have one that shows where the can meets the pipe, stay tuned. FYI, the only steel in our silencers is the rivets. All the internals are Ti, which can give off interesting colors after welding, but I can guarantee there is no rust to be found....:)

I take it the dyno runs with Graves exhausts are mapped correct? Correct. Other than exhaust and pair valve block-offs, motorcycle was in stock trim.

I might have one that shows where the can meets the pipe, stay tuned. FYI, the only steel in our silencers is the rivets. All the internals are Ti, which can give off interesting colors after welding, but I can guarantee there is no rust to be found....:) Good to know... so how bout sending me a free set for my bike. :secret:Consider it advertising for the Canadian market. :lol:flex: This way I can still put an exhaust on and my wife won't kill me for spending a fortune. You know you want to.

Good to know... so how bout sending me a free set for my bike. :secret:Consider it advertising for the Canadian market. :lol:flex: This way I can still put an exhaust on and my wife won't kill me for spending a fortune. You know you want to. :lol Taige, that's your cue.:thumbup

:lol Taige, that's your cue.:thumbup Thank you Beau and ...here we go!

Thank you Beau and ...here we go! So does this mean you're sending me a free system... :crash

is it just me, or the weld on the inside of silencer cap look kind of rough? It might be the lighting as well, but the inside lip of the cap also looks like its rusting? Do you have any pictures of how it fits further up under the seat? I To get a little technical....the tig welds themselves are are about .050" wide and don't ask me how these extremely talented individuals do it, it an an artform with a titanium canvas. What you would consider to be the "Rough" look are the heat spots that come from the weld. Now we could polish/clean this off , and if the welds were not so incredible we probably would, but they part of the natural manufacturing process of an exhaust and we want to you see what goes into each one of these with nothing hidden. They are race designed to go fast, sound good and look incredible. We develop the power, hand tig weld them together and hand them to you in their purest form. I personally like it but the good part is if you do not and are possibly "Showing" the bike they can be clean or polished out at your discretion. Thanks, Taige

My mistake... :crash:thumbup The pictures on your website make it look like there is a 2" gap between underside of the rear cowling and the exhaust. I'm assuming its so there is enough of a space so you don't melt the plastics, and to get a wrench in there when putting the exhaust on. I was hoping for a photo of where the header/y-pipe ends and the can begins. S I can understand the concern. There is a fine line when designing for power and function and retaining nice aesthetics. We have done months of R&D testing with each exhuast and everything has past the test at every level and the best part was we were still able to keep the look of the pipe design the way we wanted it. Race, class, quality. Thanks, Taige

I take it the dyno runs with Graves exhausts are mapped correct? Yes sir. These were mapped with the New Dynojet PCV (which is absolutely incredible I might add). When you order the exhaust and power commander 5 we will be pre-programming the map into the PC so you can plug in and go. With the NEW DJ Auto Tune the fule map will automaticall make small variable chnages to accomodate for things like elevation, humidity etc. It has a lot of new features and together with the exhaust it completes this motorcycle in full. Thanks, Taige p.s. also when you buy the PC and Exhaust together we give you 15% off of the PCV. ;-)

Thank you for the reply. Where you guys pretty surprised at the power output stock?

Good to know... so how bout sending me a free set for my bike. :secret:Consider it advertising for the Canadian market. :lol:flex: This way I can still put an exhaust on and my wife won't kill me for spending a fortune. You know you want to. You know when you get something for free you just do not have the same respect for it and end up treating it poorly....and it never lasts. When you buy something you grow a certain attachment to it that make it special in your life and you take care of it like its family. I don't want to take that away from you, I just could not live with myself. Now what I find is a cure for the wife is a trade. Take her for Sushi and a Girlie movie and you'll be going faster on your R1 before you know it ;-) Thanks, Taige

Thank you for the reply. Where you guys pretty surprised at the power output stock? To be honest i was expecting some ridiculously high number based on what i know but in reality I had to step back and look at the big picture. When you take all of the elements of this new R1 and put them together in a package you realize the guys at Yamaha might have just built the best bike ever. To tell you the truth I get more surprised at the torque curve(power delivery) and the actual way it feels MORE that a horsepower #. The power delivery on this R1 is like nothing else and trully emulates a hi end Race bike. Through out time i have seen so many bikes with big HP numbers but nobody likes to ride them. The power is in some short chunk of the power band, the handling is not up to par, the bike is heavy......anyway you get what Im saying. You can put gobs of horsepower into something but it does not mean you improved the bike. It just means you can brag to your buddies ;-) This bike is going to have very little competition for Bike of the year and I think people are going to be astounded, specially when they out fit it with the best race parts in the world ;-). Had to throw that plug in there LOL I know there are some dyno chasers out there that don't care about the ride but more about the sheet of paper they can trophy around so good news for them is........ I have a feeling this will absolutely love boost !! Thanks, Taige

You find lots of people chasing the big numbers and I was hoping you guys were not some of them. I agree with what you say 100%, it's easy to make the extra power if you want it, very hard to create good power delivery. Thank you for your time.

You find lots of people chasing the big numbers and I was hoping you guys were not some of them. I agree with what you say 100%, it's easy to make the extra power if you want it, very hard to create good power delivery. Thank you for your time. No problem...thank you. There is a place for overall horsepower it just cannot take the place of ridability ;-) There needs to a be a medium between the 2. Let me know if have any questions. thanks, T

What is the weight comparison between stock, ti low and ti high mount? Thanks.

What is the weight comparison between stock, ti low and ti high mount? Thanks. Im still getting info coming into me. i should have just about everything rounded up by tomorrow. Thanks, T

Great informative thread!!

Im still getting info coming into me. i should have just about everything rounded up by tomorrow. Thanks, T Cool, thanks man. And hopefully I am not asking too much but would love to have the dyno runfiles for both the low and high mount.

LOL hey I like Graves products.

Great looking pipes!

Graves guys.... Good info and impressive dyno charts, along with the explanation of the philosophy that goes into the development. :thumbup In spite of the detractors that will invariably crap all over this thread, your efforts and willingness to share the info and field questions is, and will be appreciated by many more. Hope you keep this thread going to answer everybody's questions.

Very nice.

Great Info on system and good looking pipes for the undertail it's great that on this year model there are options for low mount and top mount the consumer has options to pic and choose what they want as a preference that awesome.Keep us informed on more updates on the exhaust system numbers difference between low mount and the high mount I'm looking into getting the 09 R-1 in the next few months and i will definetly be looking into purchaseing a full system for the bike.Right now i have a full graves system on my 06 R-1 and i'm very happy with it and i will carrying be my experence with the Graves system to my next new bike.

Great Info on system and good looking pipes for the undertail it's great that on this year model there are options for low mount and top mount the consumer has options to pic and choose what they want as a preference that awesome.Keep us informed on more updates on the exhaust system numbers difference between low mount and the high mount I'm looking into getting the 09 R-1 in the next few months and i will definetly be looking into purchaseing a full system for the bike.Right now i have a full graves system on my 06 R-1 and i'm very happy with it and i will carrying be my experence with the Graves system to my next new bike. Thanks very much. I will definitely keep eveyone informed and Ill be here everyday for questions. T

Cool, thanks man. And hopefully I am not asking too much but would love to have the dyno runfiles for both the low and high mount. Sorry, to be THAT guy, but I don't see the actual run files ever leaving the building. Neither Taige, nor I have the authority to publicly share anything that comes off the dyno computer other than pictures of graphs. Anything else, though, I'm happy to help. Graves guys.... Good info and impressive dyno charts, along with the explanation of the philosophy that goes into the development. In spite of the detractors that will invariably crap all over this thread, your efforts and willingness to share the info and field questions is, and will be appreciated by many more. Hope you keep this thread going to answer everybody's questions. No problem. Just doing our best to share knowledge, answer questions, and even field complaints, as long they represent a legitimate concern. Good lookin' out:thumbup

Sorry, to be THAT guy, but I don't see the actual run files ever leaving the building. Neither Taige, nor I have the authority to publicly share anything that comes off the dyno computer other than pictures of graphs. Anything else, though, I'm happy to help. No worries at all, just wanted to compare to the UK Spec 09. Can you post a stock only chart with conditions? Main thing I am looking for is the difference on the way the power is made to the top. I understand that the US spec exhaust robs 6hp or so and you can tell something is happening on your stock charts, as the power has a plateau at around 10k. But on top of that I wanted to see if Yamaha had put any other restrictions like they did on the 08 R6 with the throttle by wire. I am not looking for peak power or even true power figures, just looking at the shape of the curve and how it builds. Thank you very much.

No worries at all, just wanted to compare to the UK Spec 09. Can you post a stock only chart with conditions? Main thing I am looking for is the difference on the way the power is made to the top. I understand that the US spec exhaust robs 6hp or so and you can tell something is happening on your stock charts, as the power has a plateau at around 10k. But on top of that I wanted to see if Yamaha had put any other restrictions like they did on the 08 R6 with the throttle by wire. I am not looking for peak power or even true power figures, just looking at the shape of the curve and how it builds. Thank you very much. I'll see what I can do. :thumbup

Graves guys.... Good info and impressive dyno charts, along with the explanation of the philosophy that goes into the development. :thumbup In spite of the detractors that will invariably crap all over this thread, your efforts and willingness to share the info and field questions is, and will be appreciated by many more. Hope you keep this thread going to answer everybody's questions. One of the flock!! :fact

Graves Exhaust Weight Comparison- Breakdown: Stock: 2009 R1 - Headpipe: 4.2lbs - Cat: 7.0lbs - Left Muffler: 5.6lbs - Right Muffler: 5.2lbs Total 22.0 lbs System Weight Savings over stock Graves Low Mount Stainless: 7.0lbs -15.0lbs Graves Low Mount Ti: 5.2lbs -16.8lbs Graves Cat Back Stainless: 6.4lbs -4.4lbs Graves Cat Elim Stainless: 8.6lbs -9.2lbs Graves Cat Elim Ti: 7.0lbs -10.8lbs Graves Full High Stainless: 13lbs -9lbs Graves Full High Ti: 11lbs -11lbs

One of the flock!! :factHey go to the akra thread..lol

Very good info. Just by comparing Akra vs. Graves looks like full systems Ti are about 2lbs off with Graves being lighter. That being said, the weight comparo had Akra with Ti cans, Graves with carbon fiber. Thanks.

Another question, oil filter access is still as stock right? We don't have to do weird stuff like the Akra in the 1000RR where I think you have to remove the headers to get to the oil filter. Any pics of the system itself, or maybe installed on the bike without any fairings? Thanks.

Another question, oil filter access is still as stock right? We don't have to do weird stuff like the Akra in the 1000RR where I think you have to remove the headers to get to the oil filter. Any pics of the system itself, or maybe installed on the bike without any fairings? Thanks. Nice question. But if I had to guess, access to the filter etc will be good. I just finished installing a high mount titanium full system on a 05 R6 and the fit was AMAZING! The pipes followed the oil pan perfectly, and show a lot of forethought. Or product improvement :dunno In any event, I'd be willing to bet money they got it right.

Another question, oil filter access is still as stock right? We don't have to do weird stuff like the Akra in the 1000RR where I think you have to remove the headers to get to the oil filter. Any pics of the system itself, or maybe installed on the bike without any fairings? Thanks. Sorry for the delay. This was a good question and I didn't know the answer. It will require you to unbolt #3 and #4 header pipes and pull them off at the first collector. It is not as labor intensive as it would seem. The body work is pretty open and you should only add a few more minutes to the process. Even on the stock set up it is really tight in there and if you do not remove the headers there is no clear path for any oil to drain. It would be a cleaner process removing the head pipes even on the factory application. Thanks, Taige

Thanks for the research and info Taige. Really appreciated.

graves ftw

Hi Taige I recently purchased and installed a Graves full Ti system on my 05, R1. When I started the bike the engine light came on. I am assuming that is becasue the cat sensor is now unplugged. Is that the reason? And how can I shut it off or bypass it? Thanks, Scott

Hi Taige I recently purchased and installed a Graves full Ti system on my 05, R1. When I started the bike the engine light came on. I am assuming that is becasue the cat sensor is now unplugged. Is that the reason? And how can I shut it off or bypass it? Thanks, Scott Hey Scott, I believe this is from your ex-up valve servo motor. You should be getting a code(code 18??) and engine light. For now to correct this you can remove the cables from the servo motor and then re-install it back on to the motorcycle. Plug it back into the harness and the light should go off and stay off. Keep an eye out, in a couple of weeks we will have something to eliminate all that headache. Thanks, Taige

hello can you tell me the maximum noise level in db for the high full system and cat eliminator slip-on exhaust and the noise level with 75% of max rpm (i think 9000 rpm) for the yamaha R1 2009 ? thanks for this information

hello can you tell me the maximum noise level in db for the high full system and cat eliminator slip-on exhaust and the noise level with 75% of max rpm (i think 9000 rpm) for the yamaha R1 2009 ? thanks for this information I believe the low mount came in at 107db and I would expect the high to be lower. I will try to verify that for you. Thanks, Taige

thanks i am waiting for your answer for the high exhausts.

hello can you tell me the maximum noise level in db for the high full system and cat eliminator slip-on exhaust and the noise level with 75% of max rpm (i think 9000 rpm) for the yamaha R1 2009 ? thanks for this information I have the DB levels for these. This is @5500 RPM which is standard testing RPM. Hope this helps. They both sound incredible. Thanks, taige 2009 R1 Graves Motorsports Exhaust Cat eliminator 104 Db Full under tail 104 Db

I am trying to understand your dyno comparisons for my own knowledge. Your baseline is shown using Std Mode in a break-in run. Why? Is it to make the gap between what your baseline is and the result using the graves exhaust seem larger? My stock baseline beats your full system curve with an corrected 163 rwhp at 1300 feet MSL. Please don't get me wrong... I plan on ordering the Graves system thru our dealership, but is there a reason why the bike you are using is so down on power? Trust me, I am no dyno king and my sheet is certainly not posted on my wall with a frame. I would just like to compare apples to apples. If you have the ability to tune the bike... lets see what your tuning skills can do with the stock setup and then again with the exhaust. Its here where everyone will see what the true benefit of the system is other than the weight savings and the asthetics. I also ask this because our shop dyno's cars everyday for people who want dyno numebrs and cannot drive, so we have to educate them in the fact there is more than just numbers alone. However, we always stress the fact that to offer true benefits, there must be an apples to apples comparison and not a blanket claim that Product X does Y over Z when used. Thanks!

Hey Taige, Just wondering if you have any 03 R1 exhausts sitting around the warehouse anyplace full system i know you guys have slip-ons?

Hey Taige, Just wondering if you have any 03 R1 exhausts sitting around the warehouse anyplace full system i know you guys have slip-ons? Unfortunately I don't. After they were discontinued being manufactured we had a few left in stock but they were sold a few months back. The good news is I have seen a few here and there on Ebay. Some of our dealers, I believe, still have a few of this and I think you have a good change in finding one. You might try a company popular here on the forums called Solo Moto. I believe I saw that they had a couple left.....I think?? Good luck. Thanks, taige

I am trying to understand your dyno comparisons for my own knowledge. Your baseline is shown using Std Mode in a break-in run. Why? Is it to make the gap between what your baseline is and the result using the graves exhaust seem larger? My stock baseline beats your full system curve with an corrected 163 rwhp at 1300 feet MSL. Please don't get me wrong... I plan on ordering the Graves system thru our dealership, but is there a reason why the bike you are using is so down on power? Trust me, I am no dyno king and my sheet is certainly not posted on my wall with a frame. I would just like to compare apples to apples. If you have the ability to tune the bike... lets see what your tuning skills can do with the stock setup and then again with the exhaust. Its here where everyone will see what the true benefit of the system is other than the weight savings and the asthetics. I also ask this because our shop dyno's cars everyday for people who want dyno numebrs and cannot drive, so we have to educate them in the fact there is more than just numbers alone. However, we always stress the fact that to offer true benefits, there must be an apples to apples comparison and not a blanket claim that Product X does Y over Z when used. Thanks! You have to put some eyelids on those things......there creepin me out ;-) Ok....to the dyno The std mode is the default mode on the motorcycle. When you turn on the key that is where you begin, therefore that is where we do the dyno runs. Since the power gains are relative from where you start, we believe the std mode is as good a point as any. In fact, if anything, it is a more humble approach at showing our customers the power gains we made. I suppose we could have put the bike is the performance mode and showed more gains......when it comes down to it all manufacturers could show false numbers one way or another if that is the way they do business. We do not want to be represented in that way. The only thing you and I have to go off is the reputation and history of a company. We have an extensive race winning program, a reputation of making motorcycles go fast and we each take pride in what we do here at Graves. Regarding the "apples to apples" anology, I agree with you 100%. It is imperative that customers get to see accurate consistent information regarding their investment and we keep that in mind every step of the way. However it is impossible to compare your stock power curve against ours while retaining the "apples to apples" thought. Every bike, dyno, location, fuel, mileage, etc are all different. The true comparison will be when you receive your system. Then you are able to use your bike, on your dyno, in the mode you feel most comfortable using. Then you will be able to make a extremely accurate and relative comparison and I expect it will meet or exceed your expectations. As you know it is difficult to make a correct decision based off of what is said however....I see the amount of time spent on making smooth linear power gains, as well as the craftsmanship that goes into to each product Graves manufactures. The customers get exactly what is run on our race bikes. We DO NOT make one exhaust to race and then offer you a "very similar" exhaust for your motorcycle. Feel confident that when you purchase this exhaust you are getting the same set up that have won races for over a decade. I think you will be quite satisfied with your results. If you have any questions or concerns at all feel free to call or email me before you purchase anything and I will go over it with you. Thanks for the weight savings and the asthetics compliment ;-) Taige http://www.gravesport.com taige@gravesport.com

does the stock o2 sensor fit in the cat eliminator pipe and or the full system?

does the stock o2 sensor fit in the cat eliminator pipe and or the full system? GMS exhaust O2 collar is designed to fit the Dynojet Auto Tune (same thread as 07-08 R1, R6 etc) however we make an adapter to allow you to use your stock O2. The Cat Eliminator Systems come with both a plug to either cap it off completely or an adapter to allow the use of the stock O2 Sensor. On a full system you really should be running a Power Commander so the adapter does not come in the Exhaust kit. You can purchase the adapter separate and use the stock O2 sensor. Thanks, Taige

GMS exhaust O2 collar is designed to fit the Dynojet Auto Tune (same thread as 07-08 R1, R6 etc) however we make an adapter to allow you to use your stock O2. The Cat Eliminator Systems come with both a plug to either cap it off completely or an adapter to allow the use of the stock O2 Sensor. On a full system you really should be running a Power Commander so the adapter does not come in the Exhaust kit. You can purchase the adapter separate and use the stock O2 sensor. Thanks, Taige The Auto Tune is the way to Go! I put one on my 09 R1 Street bike and tested it back to back with a base map made on the dyno. Heres what I found. The low speed driving (around town) is smoother than the base map.( hard to simulate these conditions on the dyno) When fueling up at different gas stations it tunes for the different fuel blends When riding up a mountain (5000 ft) the bike ran way better than with the base map during high speed driving. For the cost of a custom map (250.00) I'll go Dyno Jet Auto Tune The dyno is still very important for improving power but after that the Auto Tune is the only way to go. Thats why we put Lambda bungs in every Graves System. Chuck

I have to admit I am definitely leaning towards the low mount for my new 09. I've searched the graves websites and I cannot tell the exact HP numbers. Is there any way you could simply post the gains for each model like you did with the weights? From a quick glance it sure looks like the low mount makes better power across the rpm range compared to the high-mount units. Is that truely the case? Also, could you post a pic of the low mount from the back and/or front?

I have to admit I am definitely leaning towards the low mount for my new 09. I've searched the graves websites and I cannot tell the exact HP numbers. Is there any way you could simply post the gains for each model like you did with the weights? From a quick glance it sure looks like the low mount makes better power across the rpm range compared to the high-mount units. Is that truely the case? Also, could you post a pic of the low mount from the back and/or front? Here are the numbers form the Graves Garage thread: Stock air filter, Graves exhaust, PCV High mount- 11 HP @ 8000 rpm 8.9 HP @ 11,900 rpm (Peak rpm) Low mount- 11 HP @ 8000 rpm 9 HP @ 11,900 rpm (Peak rpm)

Also, could you post a pic of the low mount from the back and/or front? Here is a pic from the side and from the back, cant see the pipe with a pic from the front :) http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/brakstad/IMG_9872_800.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/brakstad/IMG_0158_800.jpg

thanks DoubleBeez. That is exactly what I was looking for. My bike will be going straight to the track as well, so clearance is an obvious issue. Your bike looks great btw! Where did you get the race plastic?

thanks DoubleBeez. That is exactly what I was looking for. My bike will be going straight to the track as well, so clearance is an obvious issue. Your bike looks great btw! Where did you get the race plastic? Plastics are Armour Bodies, got them from http://viets-performance.com/ I did manage to drag the pipe a bit, and the plastics on both sides, but that's mostly due to bad suspension setup and bumps out at Willow Springs (I probably need to hang off a bit more too!). #1 plate holder out there has the same pipe and no problems with clearance for him.

What power gains are expected with the CAT BACK System?

What power gains are expected with the CAT BACK System? Hello?????? What has happend to Taige????

Searching for the cheapest place to buy the full race high mount right now