Uncorking the 2009 US spec R1

With a claimed 6hp missing due to a more restrictive exhaust...and a possible airbox restriction...has anyone recovered the lost 6hp?

I would be more concerned with the fly by wire throttle restricting the top end from 11750-13750 RPM's. The last 2000 RPM's the fly by wire backs off from 100%-75% throttle position even though the rider has the twistgrip WFO. Exhaust can be easily replaced. The ECU is going to be another story.

Read the 09 motor work thread.... has the answers and the problems that haven't been solved yet :(

Not yet....but in starting to tear off the stock exhaust I have discovered that who ever designed the mounting for the Passenger Pegs is a ****tard!!! :rant :mad: Jeebus......Thought I'd look to see how they come off. My ****ing god.....the battery has to come out and then there is a damn tray in the way!! :rant

I would be more concerned with the fly by wire throttle restricting the top end from 11750-13750 RPM's. The last 2000 RPM's the fly by wire backs off from 100%-75% throttle position even though the rider has the twistgrip WFO. Exhaust can be easily replaced. The ECU is going to be another story. another 09 bashing post that makes no sense. a ecu is easier to change out then a full exhaust, it is just PNP. If you did a little research you would also find the a race ecu is about half the price of full akra w/the pcv. There will be reflashing available soon or you can explore the euro spec ecu route (the euro spec needs to be re-keyed unless someone has the schematics for it and then you can disable the anti theft and use us keys).

diel addressed the airbox issue and mentioned the ECU short comings. Another DYNO run once he gets it back together ought to reveal whats going on in the engine. I'm not in the market for swaping out ECus- there seems to be to many downs for them for me: loss of speedo or loss of D mode-

another 09 bashing post that makes no sense. a ecu is easier to change out then a full exhaust, it is just PNP. If you did a little research you would also find the a race ecu is about half the price of full akra w/the pcv. There will be reflashing available soon or you can explore the euro spec ecu route (the euro spec needs to be re-keyed unless someone has the schematics for it and then you can disable the anti theft and use us keys). Bashing it in what way, by stating the facts? Your post is more like an "apologists" post thats makes NO sense. Not having a good day are ya? Masterbike and Motorcycle.com tests got ya down? Sure seems like it. Bought a last place bike and the other a oil burner? :nopity: The race ECU doesn't support all the street bike functions, and your statement about reflashing the ECU will be "available soon" is just you hoping on your part. There is no guarantee of that. Forget the EURO spec parts that has the immobilizer and all the related parts will cost a fortune. DONT TAKE your frustrations out on me. Your starting to follow me around like my own personal stalker. :lol

diel addressed the airbox issue and mentioned the ECU short comings. Another DYNO run once he gets it back together ought to reveal whats going on in the engine. I'm not in the market for swaping out ECus- there seems to be to many downs for them for me: loss of speedo or loss of D mode- and NO warranty, and reliability on race ECU's seems so short no matter who makes them. I agree with you there.

Bashing it in what way, by stating the facts? Your post is more like an "apologists" post thats makes NO sense. Not having a good day are ya? Masterbike and Motorcycle.com tests got ya down? Sure seems like it. Bought a last place bike and the other a oil burner? :nopity: The race ECU doesn't support all the street bike functions, and your statement about reflashing the ECU will be "available soon" is just you hoping on your part. There is no guarantee of that. Forget the EURO spec parts that has the immobilizer and all the related parts will cost a fortune. DONT TAKE your frustrations out on me. Your starting to follow me around like my own personal stalker. :lol haha i am still curious to what bike you own that makes you feel like you can put down the new r1 and the 08/09 rr? If you were educated you would know that the rr is an isolated issue and every bike has some flaws and a number of defective units. I am not to worried about test as for i am very financially secure and can go out and buy any bike in either of those tests, but i am very happy with the three i own currently and i am in the market for something different next. I don't understand why you are bashing the 09 r1 so bad and when someone posts a topic about the 09 you feel the need to post about its short comings. They way you post reminds me of a guy i used to know, he thought everything sucked and pointed out flaws in everything...... last year i read that he had killed himself, i think if you feel yourself living life in the same manner you should seek some help.

This is like a 9/11 thread chill guys...its just a bike :fork

http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=254445&page=7. YCCT is restricted at 12k to 81.5%, have played with this before. Old pc5 software showed as low as 70%, new working versions (#4) shows better tps %. 09 R6 does exactly the same thing, all this is old news. YEC ecu is exactly the same as oem one. Software is the difference. There are a couple of bikes running around at the moment testing hacked ecus. Heard 07 R1, 08 R6 and 09 Vmax. They use close to the same as ours. No idea on process or if/when this will happen for 09 r1s. When I rode mine with the YEC ecu, all I did was use a tomtom One gps unit, which I use anyway, to tell speed. Long or short rides it worked just fine. Fan motors was an easy fix using an automatic fan switch that is adjustable. After riding without a D-mode but with the YEC ecu, is hard to go back to std or even A mode on the stock ecu. Much better with the YEC. Even if the bike is de-restricted, cam design (for starters) will dictate what the curve will do. Could be de-restricted and still drop off some power. Most stock motors do that anyway. Euro ecu has better ignition timing also. US has been scaled down some. Euro ecu with harness and key set can be had for 700euros. About the same as YEC ecu with comm cable. Should be doing a dyno run next week with stock cams. That will help with sorting out the top end stuff.

haha i am still curious to what bike you own that makes you feel like you can put down the new r1 and the 08/09 rr? If you were educated you would know that the rr is an isolated issue and every bike has some flaws and a number of defective units. I am not to worried about test as for i am very financially secure and can go out and buy any bike in either of those tests, but i am very happy with the three i own currently and i am in the market for something different next. I don't understand why you are bashing the 09 r1 so bad and when someone posts a topic about the 09 you feel the need to post about its short comings. They way you post reminds me of a guy i used to know, he thought everything sucked and pointed out flaws in everything...... last year i read that he had killed himself, i think if you feel yourself living life in the same manner you should seek some help. I am NOT putting down the 09 R1. I have said it is a fantastic bike in numerous threads. I am NOT the testers for either Masterbike or Motorcycle.com that rated it dead last. Argue with them. I don't own one, breifly considered it but decided against. I am however a person with just as much right to post my thoughts as YOU or anyone else is. There is NO rules being broken here by me because I disagree with you. We do NOT live in a bubble you know. As for my education, since YOU my "personal stalker" brought the topic up, I am a former RETIRED Navy Combat pilot having served in the first Gulf "oil" War 1. Flew 27 nightime combat sorties on SCUD hunts. Now I am giving away my age as well. So my guess is, I am as least as educated as YOU, my guess is, probably a lot more! As for the 08/09 Honda, if you followed any of my threads and posts on 1000RR.net, I briefly owned one, but got rid of it 3 months later because it was burning oil. All documented there. What else you curios about? :argue

I am NOT putting down the 09 R1. I have said it is a fantastic bike in numerous threads. I am NOT the testers for either Masterbike or Motorcycle.com that rated it dead last. Argue with them. I don't own one, breifly considered it but decided against. I am however a person with just as much right to post my thoughts as YOU or anyone else is. There is NO rules being broken here by me because I disagree with you. We do NOT live in a bubble you know. As for my education, since YOU my "personal stalker" brought the topic up, I am a former RETIRED Navy Combat pilot having served in the first Gulf "oil" War 1. Flew 27 nightime combat sorties on SCUD hunts. Now I am giving away my age as well. So my guess is, I am as least as educated as YOU, my guess is, probably a lot more! As for the 08/09 Honda, if you followed any of my threads and posts on 1000RR.net, I briefly owned one, but got rid of it 3 months later because it was burning oil. All documented there. What else you need to no? :argue i did not question you personal education, i was questioning your education on what is going on with the oil burning issues. i am in no way stalking you as i have been on this forum for years and post very often. i give a opinion that is not biased because the truth is that any superbike is all rider when it come down to times.

http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=254445&page=7. YCCT is restricted at 12k to 81.5%, have played with this before. Old pc5 software showed as low as 70%, new working versions (#4) shows better tps %. 09 R6 does exactly the same thing, all this is old news. YEC ecu is exactly the same as oem one. Software is the difference. There are a couple of bikes running around at the moment testing hacked ecus. Heard 07 R1, 08 R6 and 09 Vmax. They use close to the same as ours. No idea on process or if/when this will happen for 09 r1s. When I rode mine with the YEC ecu, all I did was use a tomtom One gps unit, which I use anyway, to tell speed. Long or short rides it worked just fine. Fan motors was an easy fix using an automatic fan switch that is adjustable. After riding without a D-mode but with the YEC ecu, is hard to go back to std or even A mode on the stock ecu. Much better with the YEC. Even if the bike is de-restricted, cam design (for starters) will dictate what the curve will do. Could be de-restricted and still drop off some power. Most stock motors do that anyway. Euro ecu has better ignition timing also. US has been scaled down some. Euro ecu with harness and key set can be had for 700euros. About the same as YEC ecu with comm cable. Should be doing a dyno run next week with stock cams. That will help with sorting out the top end stuff. i have a few quick questions about the euro ecu, does it eliminate the flat spot up top and where can i get one?

i did not question you personal education, i was questioning your education on what is going on with the oil burning issues. i am in no way stalking you as i have been on this forum for years and post very often. i give a opinion that is not biased because the truth is that any superbike is all rider when it come down to times. dont know, like I said I got rid of mine, well documented on 1000rr.net, so at this point, I dont even care. I will not buy another HONDA anytime soon and am glad I bought it on my Mastercard and was able to make them take it back. Unfortunately (and I have no control over it) these Magazine shoot-out final scores are totaled up on more than just lap times. So ugly looks could take your 09 R1 from first to last place, when it may not even be ugly to you. Enjoy your bikes Sir and dont let the Magazine shoot outs sway you one way or the other. The 09 R1 is a fine bike or WSB rookie-never-seen-the-tracks-before Ben Spies would not be doing like he is. Ride Safe!

i have a few quick questions about the euro ecu, does it eliminate the flat spot up top and where can i get one? The cam design will still show a drop in power. You will have some gains but I can't say how much as I have not tested this.

The cam design will still show a drop in power. You will have some gains but I can't say how much as I have not tested this. it is probably not worth it but it is nice to have options. I don't really like buying from overseas because of shipping and customs (akra killed me on shipping).

So back to the topic at hand- will a pc5 , a 3/4 exhaust system and air box mod return the HP loss? or perhaps there will be a loss.... if there is an ignition issue won't the bzazz bomb fix something like this? ( CBR1000rr is able to get its lost top end back with this)

So far a stock motor with a full system and tuning is showing a 5-6hp gain on peak, but you still have the drop off after peak. An ignition module should help also but I don't think they are available yet. The CBR has a very simple ECU compared to the R1, you can think of it as the CBR having one ECU, the R1 having 3. One more thing, the 6hp that Yamaha says we are short here in the US is most likely quoted at the crank. Not sure about this but knowing how they are, it could be.

kinda not wanting the PCV believe it or not. I really like the D mode function and found it very helpful teaching throttle control during class demos..I'd hate to lose it.

PCV won't remove the D-mode. The YEC ecu will.

kinda not wanting the PCV believe it or not. I really like the D mode function and found it very helpful teaching throttle control during class demos..I'd hate to lose it. Thought the PCV did not mess with D-mode I've asked this before and someone replied "no it doesn't affect D-mode because it has nothing to do with mapping" and i think it's the guy just before my post

They way you post reminds me of a guy i used to know, he thought everything sucked and pointed out flaws in everything...... last year i read that he had killed himself, i think if you feel yourself living life in the same manner you should seek some help. Don't worry about this little man, he's accused me of stalking him and attacked me in the same way i now see him attacking you. I'm guessing he's got a few wires loose. Seems to need a fan base following him around. Classic serial killer mentality. Perhaps he got shot down and raped by a herd of goats. most likely did not. I didn't think combat pilots got onto forums and talked about missions over Iraq. That would be a breach of security in my country for military personnel. Most likely he's a 12 year old boy squeezing spots and combing his single pubic hair.

I am a former RETIRED Navy Combat pilot having served in the first Gulf "oil" War 1. Flew 27 nightime combat sorties on SCUD hunts. You are too stupid to fly a ****ing kite let alone a plane. Can just picture you now in a navy plane. Damn starting to laugh. Hearing voices in your head. Shit man, you the crazy bitch that blew a mosque by mistake because you mistook their prayers for a slur on your tool box. LOSER.

You are too stupid to fly a ****ing kite let alone a plane. Can just picture you now in a navy plane. Damn starting to laugh. Hearing voices in your head. Shit man, you the crazy bitch that blew a mosque by mistake because you mistook their prayers for a slur on your tool box. LOSER. Are you DRUNK or on DRUGS or both? :nopity: Glad to see your TRUE COLORS have surfaced for all on the WWW to see. You did it to yourself, not me.

I'm at your momma's house. So you already know the answer to that question.

I'm at your momma's house. So you already know the answer to that question. So what are you into, Necrophilia?

So what are you into, Necrophilia? Did you kill her again? I thought the head was meant to come off like that ...

ok lets forget the BS now shall we? I'm glad to hear the PCV won't affect the Dmode- so back on my list it goes. I'm asuming the AIS is similar to the 06R1 and I can get that outta there right?

I'm asuming the AIS is similar to the 06R1 and I can get that outta there right? Yes junk it.

So has the question about which this thread was started been answered? Anyone have some dyno chart as proof showing stock vs. full exhaust with tuning? By my educated guess-work the new R1 should have somewhere in the 153-156 hp range at the wheel with a full Akrapovic exhaust. IMHO, I think these threads get way off topic too easily. I come to this site for information not bickering or belittling one another. Grow up or go home!

This is what EDR Performance got with theirs. The green curve at the top is what he thinks the YEC ecu would get. Our testing saw 5hp more at 13k between YEC and stock ecu but we are not running stock spec.

After riding without a D-mode but with the YEC ecu, is hard to go back to std or even A mode on the stock ecu. Much better with the YEC. So, Diel, are you saying that Throttle Response is actually better with the YEC ECU? Better even than 'A' mode with the stock ECU???

diel11, is the 153 vs 159 hp stock vs full ehaust?

Sorry, should have specified. That's a stock motor baseline run vs. a full Akra, pc5 and bmc filter, mapped also. One thing is we don't have a tire slip chart on this one so we can't really tell the complete story but it's something to look at.

Thanks diel11, what it does tell me is a full exhaust will add roughly what I thought. Seems like a lot of cash for -11 lbs, +6-7 hp gain but I'll end up doing it anyway. :-) Looks like my 1098 will be more powerful and have more torque but it is going to be my next racebike anyway AND I bet the R1 will a better street bike! Plus I hate the looks of the Honda and Suzuki and I already have a 2004 ZX-10R. Can't wait to get one! Thanks for the good info diel11

Thanks diel11, what it does tell me is a full exhaust will add roughly what I thought. Seems like a lot of cash for -11 lbs, +6-7 hp gain but I'll end up doing it anyway. :-) Looks like my 1098 will be more powerful and have more torque but it is going to be my next racebike anyway AND I bet the R1 will a better street bike! Plus I hate the looks of the Honda and Suzuki and I already have a 2004 ZX-10R. Can't wait to get one! Thanks for the good info diel11 Wow, nice stable!