PC V and Auto Tune - Why?

Since Dynojet is here I would like to hear them sell me on why one would go with their setup rather than someone like Bazzaz. Also, I have read conflicting reports of the Quickshifter not working on the 09 R1 sincethe current PCV only controls 4 injectors. The Bazzaz is a bit more expensive but it almost seems like their version of Auto Tune may be superior. So come one Dynojet, sell me. :)

Well I guess it's bazazz. Surely I gave enough time to earn my business.

I guess they don't check the forums.

Ooooo well ... Lets us know how that Bazzaz works out ... I'm curious about it

Hey guys I apologize, I had no idea this section even existed!! My marketing guy that setup the account did not tell me about it so I have only been monitoring the other posts. Anyways, the main reason I am here is to inform people on our products and support them, I am not here to give you a sales pitch! I have nothing bad to say about the Bazzaz product, do I thing ours is better, absolutely but I'm sure you expected that! The PCV does not control the upper injectors and the thing you need to ask yourself is why would you need to? This was a discussion on the CBR forum and I posted a graph of the bike with a PCV connected to the lowers with +100 in the map and the bike was so rich it would barely run. The PCV allows you to go +250 so there is enough fuel control with just the lowers for just about any application. Yes, if you go the boosted route you may need bigger injectors or control the uppers. This is why we are coming out with the Secondary fuel Module. This unit will plug into the uppers and the PCV and in the software you will have full control of the uppers and lowers which gives you more options than other products. There will be the guys that say you get more power by adjusting the uppers and leaving the lowers alone but I have yet to see these claims and we have tried it! As far as the Auto tune goes I believe ours is better as we have have the ability to adjust on the fly. The main argument we heard before we had auto tune is that people belived the an auto tune system was better than a dyno run as it would adjust for real world conditions and for altitude and weather. If that is the case what do you do with other systems while you ride up a mountain? Are you supposed to stop and accept the trims every 2000ft or when the temperature changes 10 degrees? Doesn't make sense which is why ours adjust as you ride. There are parameters in the firmware that will make the bike not tune itself into the ground, some of which are end user adjustable and some that are not. Also if you wire up any SPST switch you can have a base map in 1 position and auto tune enabled in the other. So if something should go wrong you can switch over to the base map. This switch can also be used for other purposed like having your full power map in 1 position and then your auto tune target table setup leaner so you can switch over and it will give you better fuel mileage. Some of the problems others have had on this board we are looking into. I believe some of it is that they are not setting the throttle position correctly so when they are on decel the software is reading 1-2% throttle and trying to map itself to false data. Others I have dealt with have simply installed it incorrectly. Other systems don't let you auto tune below certain throttles and/or RPM ranges which would eliminate this issue and you can setup the Auto tune to do the same if desired. Hopefully I have answered your questions and I will start monitoring this section!! Thanks.

Thanks so much for answering. What is your take on the PCV and Quickshifter that you offer. Do you think I will have any issues since the PCV only does the 4 injectors? I will admit your option is cheaper than Bazzaz and I am not looking for crazy performance so if your setup will work that is what would be best for me.

Until we have the SFM your only option is the stand alone ignition quickshifter part #4-112. Actually I think this is the best option we offer for quickshifter function as it allows kill times per gear, staggers kill times per cylinder and also based on RPM. It offers a really good shift even at low RPMs. I use this unit on my CBR as the CBR does not benefit much from Ignition timing. That being said we have seen previous R1 versions benefit from adjusting the timing so if that is something you might want to do in the future I would wait for the Ignition Module to come out. The Ignition Module will allow timing adjustment and quickshifter function.

Can you look at your post #15 in this thread... http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4061435#post4061435 Here you go back and say that one of your quick shifters will work and now you are saying it won't, thus the reason I started this thread too much confusion so far. :)

I said that another member said it worked on his bike, never said it worked for us. Using part #4-112 and the sensor it will work on any bike. If you are trying to use the sensor straight into the PCV we have not seen it work due to it having 8 injectors. I know its confusing. If you still don't understand let me know.

Do you know what price point it will be at to add the unit that will allow control of the quick shifter? You looking at around 300 for the PCV and 200 for the shifter plus another $$ for the unit to allow it to work?

All prices in retail Route 1 PCV - $359.95 Stand alone ignition quickshifter - $305 Pressure sensor (4-101 or 4-102) - $266.47 Route 2 PCV - $359.95 SFM - $125 (estimate) still 3 weeks for release Pressure sensor (4-113 or 4-114) $199.95

Wow, I didn't think the SFM would be that affordable. Thanks so much. And using the SFM will guarantee 4-113 or 4-114 will work correct? I looked up the SFM and it shows a much higher retail price... In addition to the increased fuel adjustability the SFM provides, it also allows for the use of the Dynojet Quick Shifter sensor on 8 injector bikes. On earlier Power Commanders an Ignition Module or Stand Alone Ignition Quick Shifter was necessary to use the DQS on bikes with 8 injectors. Now, you can have both added fuel control and shifter functionality at a very low price. Projected retail price $249.99

MY MISTAKE - getting confused with all these acronyms. The QEM will be around $125 with the SFM around $250. Sorry about that. The QEM (Quickshifter Expansion Module) is a small box that connects to the upper injectors and PCV and is only for the function of the quickshifter.

Ok, one last question. When is the release of the QEM?

Just waiting on harnesses now so it should be very soon. I'm hoping by end of the month.

So in the auto-tune mode, does it tune the complete throttle range? Or does it fall back on the map thats loaded 3/4 to full throttle? You know, like car/trucks run in closed loop. Then go back into open loop(3/4 to full throttle) on there base map.