: Brembo 130 Monoblock calipers
Some serious calipers....:fact
P4 34/38 CNC Radial Monobloc - brake caliper 130 mm exact replacement of the original calipers- Yamaha R 1 '07-12
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SSPilot 10-25-2011, 02:23 PM I want your bank account! :fact
CARBONAR1 10-26-2011, 12:31 AM Holy moley!:scared
I'm nursing a semi, Sam...:sneaky
papermushrooms 10-26-2011, 01:33 AM You've been hanging out with Greg too much :fact :lol nice brakes man they are porn :thumbup
marcaztls 10-26-2011, 02:49 AM Gorgeous Sam! :thumbup
REKIII 10-26-2011, 03:11 AM Fancy.
Where would one procure these bits?
I mostly want to see so I can pass out at the price but....
Dio's R1 10-26-2011, 03:38 AM 3000 odd dollars each?????
fackin impressive finish on those calipers!
congrats
HardRacing 10-26-2011, 06:05 AM We've sold a few sets. Def. not for the faint of heart (or wallet) but the guys that have them say they are "farkin awesome". :thumbup
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polakw/aR1 10-26-2011, 06:31 AM Mabey some day.:( Nice calipers mate!
shoeaholic 10-26-2011, 08:31 AM :scared Very nice Sam!!! :boobies
shoboshi 10-26-2011, 10:07 AM Yeah Baby...!!
I'd sell my kids for those.............................:fact
Ah....hold on, wait a minute......... I did that already to buy my discs...:crash
Lovely stuff....lovely, lovely, loveliness.....:lhumper:
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Fikays 10-26-2011, 11:35 AM :drooooooool
REKIII 10-26-2011, 01:06 PM Those are neat.
Are there any cheaper options that come ready to bolt onto our 130mm spacing? I'm not a fan of the spacer that brembos sells to correct the spacing on the 100mm caliper.
SSPilot 10-27-2011, 06:50 AM Those are neat.
Are there any cheaper options that come ready to bolt onto our 130mm spacing? I'm not a fan of the spacer that brembos sells to correct the spacing on the 100mm caliper.
Only Beringer and Nissin that I know of. The Beringer's are the only ones that are fairly priced though.
polakw/aR1 10-27-2011, 07:27 AM Only Beringer and Nissin that I know of. The Beringer's are the only ones that are fairly priced though.
But they are made in France, Thats whats really holding me back from them.:lol
marcaztls 10-27-2011, 07:28 AM But they are made in France, Thats whats really holding me back from them.:lol
I'm sure they taste pretty much like all other calipers although I've never licked any lithium alloy ones...
SSPilot 10-27-2011, 07:40 AM But they are made in France, Thats whats really holding me back from them.:lol
Very true, but as a caliper, they are pretty good and are the norm on the endurance circuit. The issues I had was with their shipping dept. and the fact that they rushed mine out to fill a custom order. If it weren't for the fact that it took so long to get them I'd probably still have a set on the 09.
mr2guru 10-27-2011, 08:30 AM They cost more than most people's bikes. Are they worth it? Is it like going from 97% peak performance to 99% peak performance?
I realize getting the Nth degree of performance out of motorsports requires exponetial cost in most cases but is the bang for the buck there on these or is it just bragging rights on the coolest shit?
I'd think something like CMC rotors would be far more bang for the buck unless you're already rocking those.
marcaztls 10-27-2011, 09:14 AM They cost more than most people's bikes. Are they worth it? Is it like going from 97% peak performance to 99% peak performance?
I realize getting the Nth degree of performance out of motorsports requires exponetial cost in most cases but is the bang for the buck there on these or is it just bragging rights on the coolest shit?
I'd think something like CMC rotors would be far more bang for the buck unless you're already rocking those.
Yes they're worth it to the person that owns parts like these.
It's not just about improving performance, it's the whole 'experience' of owning rare, expensive and unique parts like these. You won't see them everyday, in fact without buying them, many people won't even get to see them, let alone feel, work on and use parts like these.
I understand your question, but the answer's not always a clear yes or no.
It's often a case of who/what you know and keeping your eyes open, waiting a long time and not necessarily just forking over a lot of hard-earned for parts like these.
I own a crabon swingarm which I lusted after as the holy grail of R1 parts, never thought I'd ever see one, let alone own one and then one came up for sale at a silly cheap price because it was incomplete. I'd have been happy hanging it on the wall as art but I made it work, and made it my own. There's no other like it in the world and that to me is worth more than money could buy.
SSPilot 10-27-2011, 09:20 AM Yes they're worth it to the person that owns parts like these.
It's not just about improving performance, it's the whole 'experience' of owning rare, expensive and unique parts like these. You won't see them everyday, in fact without buying them, many people won't even get to see them, let alone feel, work on and use parts like these.
I understand your question, but the answer's not always a clear yes or no.
It's often a case of who/what you know and keeping your eyes open, waiting a long time and not necessarily just forking over a lot of hard-earned for parts like these.
I own a crabon swingarm which I lusted after as the holy grail of R1 parts, never thought I'd ever see one, let alone own one and then one came up for sale at a silly cheap price because it was incomplete. I'd have been happy hanging it on the wall as art but I made it work, and made it my own. There's no other like it in the world and that to me is worth more than money could buy.
Now just imagine how happy you'd be with a carbon arm! :fact
marcaztls 10-27-2011, 09:26 AM Now just imagine how happy you'd be with a carbon arm! :fact
Well, I couldn't find an actual carbon one so had to settle for seafood...
SSPilot 10-27-2011, 09:29 AM Well, I couldn't find an actual carbon one so had to settle for seafood...
The licking makes all kind-o-sense now! :lol
CARBONAR1 10-27-2011, 03:18 PM :hammer: You cunny funts! :hammer:
First thanks to the people that did acknowledge a dream come true for a fellow R1 rider...this I appreciate and thank you, for all your kind thoughts...
As for bragging rights well....this is not why I bought these for, I've always wanted Brembo brakes on a bike....two months ago I went to the Ducati dealership thinking to trade my R1 in and buy an 1198 2011 model....they wanted an extra $20,000+ AU and my bike...which basically means double the value...
This I could not see....even though the 1198 is beautiful, IMO its not double my bike (for me anyway)...so it was then I decided just to do what I've always wanted to on my bike instead and finish her, once and for all.
I was in contact/discussion with Jeff from Braketech about the CMC rotors they are making new one's and as advised the current ones, are a bit too aggressive for road use which is the bulk of my riding... so I bought the Iron rotors instead, by the way I already have the SS braketech's on now....but was advised the Irons are better.
I also bought carbon fibre parts this that, etc, to finish her to a cosmetic level that I wanted as well.
The front calipers was my biggest problem, yes I saw the Beringers, ..but I heard some people had issues with bleeding them and transportation issues as well...and deep down in my guts I really wanted Brembo's anyway.
Which left me with a problem, due to Yamaha making our calipers 07-12 R1's 130mm...:2bitchsla....there was only two ways I could go...Brembos with adapter plates, which I honestly don't like the look off...or these 130 Brembo's that do cost an arm and a leg...
I had many sleepless nights deciding...then though I'm getting old now...if I don't do this now it will never happen...there comes a time in your life that you wish you did this or that etc...but for what ever reason.. you never did.
I don't own a bike shop...I'm not a racer, I'm not a rich man either, just a bloke with a Love/Passion/Obsession for my bike, its one of the only things I have left that mellows me out these days especially when I ride her.
Just as I admire other people bikes on this forum whether they are Gixxers...Ducati's...or what ever the flavour is, if its nice its nice ...simple.
We are very fortunate to have them bikes like Marks, Bens, SAB, Greg's,SSPilot... etc just to mention a few..
Obviously I'm a Yamaha man...but I do acknowledge and have respect for something nice... If you don't want to see pictures of my bike completed, that's fine...I will not post any more pictures or advise of what I've done, or how she feels...
Again thanks to all that have the same passion as I do..
My 2 cents...because that's all I got left.:)
CARBONAR1 10-27-2011, 05:52 PM http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/carbonar1/b69b46ec-3fa9-40df-bf67-fae1f2851bb8.jpg :lol
Seriously though...nicely put, Sam.
What on earth makes you think we don't want to see pics of your bike?
There's a comfy looking spot next to mrailings bike in the 07 section.
Don't be shy mate. :thumbup
polakw/aR1 10-27-2011, 06:16 PM Ahhh more please.
marcaztls 10-28-2011, 12:48 AM If you don't want to see pictures of my bike completed, that's fine...I will not post any more pictures or advise of what I've done, or how she feels...
My 2 cents...because that's all I got left.:)
:lol
Who said anything about not wanting to see pics or read about your bike? :confused:
shoboshi 10-28-2011, 04:30 AM If that's his bra above ...............
I wanna see his tits.............:crash
In all seriousness......
We make our bikes what we want of them. That's the whole point.
If we didn't, we might as well roll on our backs and become turtles.
I personally love the fact that we, as a forum, get to see and luckily have some "unobtanium" now and again.
And long may it continue..................:fact
Ps Mark..
Will you be on PB duty at NEC?
If so, come and say hello on the Austin Racing pitch.
Norm...
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marcaztls 10-28-2011, 04:35 AM Ps Mark..
Will you be on PB duty at NEC?
If so, come and say hello on the Austin Racing pitch.
Norm...
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I'll definitely be there, probably on trade day so I'll definitely come and see you ;)
SSPilot 10-28-2011, 07:43 AM Sam, first off, thanks for the compliments. I appreciate it very much.
Second, don't ever let anyone deter you from building your machine your way. The question was raised about these being necessary, and the answer is...no. But at that mentality, most of us on here have no real use for an exhaust, sticky tires or rearsets. In reality a 600 would probably still be more bike than we have ability. I can honestly say that I could have built a bike just as "functional" as my 09 for my ability, but I wanted Ohlins and Brembo so that is what I used. If that makes some people uncomfortable or question the cost, then so be it.
Build what makes you happy. That is the point after all because it is your money that you spend and it requires no justification to anyone (except maybe the missus :lol)
Your machine is coming along very well, and will make several jealous at the site of it. Just keep doing what you are doing and enjoy the outcome. Take the time to feel the difference and hope that it is what you were after in your choice. If not, no biggie as there are plenty here that will be willing to advise you, or help you get rid of what you have to get the next thing that might better suit you.
All in all, have fun and enjoy the sport of modifying at what ever level you are comfortable with.
Redgecko 10-28-2011, 03:12 PM Sam, first off, thanks for the compliments. I appreciate it very much.
Second, don't ever let anyone deter you from building your machine your way. The question was raised about these being necessary, and the answer is...no. But at that mentality, most of us on here have no real use for an exhaust, sticky tires or rearsets. In reality a 600 would probably still be more bike than we have ability. I can honestly say that I could have built a bike just as "functional" as my 09 for my ability, but I wanted Ohlins and Brembo so that is what I used. If that makes some people uncomfortable or question the cost, then so be it.
Build what makes you happy. That is the point after all because it is your money that you spend and it requires no justification to anyone (except maybe the missus :lol)
Your machine is coming along very well, and will make several jealous at the site of it. Just keep doing what you are doing and enjoy the outcome. Take the time to feel the difference and hope that it is what you were after in your choice. If not, no biggie as there are plenty here that will be willing to advise you, or help you get rid of what you have to get the next thing that might better suit you.
All in all, have fun and enjoy the sport of modifying at what ever level you are comfortable with.
Well said Steve :thumbup
Oh and Sam you better put up pics or we're coming to get some, there's still a space to fill in a calender :lol
CARBONAR1 10-28-2011, 03:30 PM Testify my brothers! :bow:bow:bow
mtech 10-28-2011, 04:43 PM Pics please :)
Thanks to all of you for your kind words and advice, which is in fact so true...I will post some pictures when she's done, as requested.
New Goodridge brakes lines a currently being made in QLD by John Stamnas.
I ran into some issue's unfortunately, some my fault others not...
Got some new Titanium bolts for my calipers...but silly me didn't think that I needed smaller length one's, than original as these Brembo's are more narrower than my stock calipers.:dundun:
But what has really devastated me is I had bought a Brembo Race Billet M/C off a Moto GP bike....second hand, deal come up thought wow why not its a piece of art, would I use its capabilities no way....but the price was to good to refuse.
As advised to me by team manger Phil Tainton from the suzuki superbike team here in OZ, who saw the issue with the M/C, and currently has my bike, which I tust with my first born...due to some of this work getting done on her is out of my scope of skills plus he will be doing some suspension work also.... I will not be doing more than 30 + laps on a race track flat out to even get brake fade, as he advised... In my opinion I will be lucky to do 4 laps flat out on a track without pulling over for some oxygen.:fact
So lucky for me, that the gentleman I bought it off...gave me a full refund...however this M/C is now in transit to Brembo in Italy, to be inspected and assessed if it can be used, in the mine time this gentleman has given me a brand new Brembo RCS 19 to use and if the Race M/C is given the OK, from Brembo Italy, he will offer it back to me if I still want it..and take back the RCS M/C.
So welcome to the world of modifications, lucky I have no hair already.:)
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/9136/gpmc.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/821/gpmc.jpg/)
Redgecko 10-29-2011, 05:26 PM IF you still want it :lol Nice score :thumbup
xdonniedarkox 10-29-2011, 09:19 PM First thanks to the people that did acknowledge a dream come true for a fellow R1 rider...this I appreciate and thank you, for all your kind thoughts...
As for bragging rights well....this is not why I bought these for, I've always wanted Brembo brakes on a bike....two months ago I went to the Ducati dealership thinking to trade my R1 in and buy an 1198 2011 model....they wanted an extra $20,000+ AU and my bike...which basically means double the value...
This I could not see....even though the 1198 is beautiful, IMO its not double my bike (for me anyway)...so it was then I decided just to do what I've always wanted to on my bike instead and finish her, once and for all.
I was in contact/discussion with Jeff from Braketech about the CMC rotors they are making new one's and as advised the current ones, are a bit too aggressive for road use which is the bulk of my riding... so I bought the Iron rotors instead, by the way I already have the SS braketech's on now....but was advised the Irons are better.
I also bought carbon fibre parts this that, etc, to finish her to a cosmetic level that I wanted as well.
The front calipers was my biggest problem, yes I saw the Beringers, ..but I heard some people had issues with bleeding them and transportation issues as well...and deep down in my guts I really wanted Brembo's anyway.
Which left me with a problem, due to Yamaha making our calipers 07-12 R1's 130mm...:2bitchsla....there was only two ways I could go...Brembos with adapter plates, which I honestly don't like the look off...or these 130 Brembo's that do cost an arm and a leg...
I had many sleepless nights deciding...then though I'm getting old now...if I don't do this now it will never happen...there comes a time in your life that you wish you did this or that etc...but for what ever reason.. you never did.
I don't own a bike shop...I'm not a racer, I'm not a rich man either, just a bloke with a Love/Passion/Obsession for my bike, its one of the only things I have left that mellows me out these days especially when I ride her.
Just as I admire other people bikes on this forum whether they are Gixxers...Ducati's...or what ever the flavour is, if its nice its nice ...simple.
We are very fortunate to have them bikes like Marks, Bens, SAB, Greg's,SSPilot... etc just to mention a few..
Obviously I'm a Yamaha man...but I do acknowledge and have respect for something nice... If you don't want to see pictures of my bike completed, that's fine...I will not post any more pictures or advise of what I've done, or how she feels...
Again thanks to all that have the same passion as I do..
My 2 cents...because that's all I got left.:)
I totally back what your are saying Sam. Follow your bliss bro. You and I sound like we ride in same vein being street mainly and as for the CMC's I have them and they are trick but I also have the Ductile SBK Axis too and youve done no wrong with the calipers:yesnod I appreciate your passion... run with it life is short!!
nobody 10-30-2011, 12:35 AM these things cost 3000+$ for each side correct?
Sam, what can I say (while fapping).
I thought porn was meant to go in the VIP section.
Nice pick-up. Can't wait to see those bad boys on.
Pics, pics and some more pics. :bow :bow :bow
Redgecko 10-30-2011, 04:38 AM I was wondering what could be wrong with it too :dunno
Way to try to mess up another poster's thread Brian...
Sam, I'm confused, what was/is the problem with the m/cyl?
The hole is elongated, its taken a hit...
I dint notice it...when I got it...I was too excited..:(
When you apply the brake lever the gold bit...moves back a little too, when it shouldn't ..it should sit central and not move.. as another one that I got shown did.
http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/660/brembogappic2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/848/brembogappic2.jpg/)
marcaztls 10-30-2011, 04:51 AM Ah right-o, gotchya ;)
Hmmmmm, I wonder if it's possible to very slightly machine the hole round again and make a small sleeve to insert in there, bronze or suitable, and have that sorted.
Fingers crossed for you on that one :thumbup
MotoMadMan 10-30-2011, 12:59 PM Where did you buy those mono blocks at? hope you got a great deal...
Took a few quick shots...the bike is dirty....need to clean it before taking any more, and with a real camera.
The brakes feel AWESOME......& look great too, still bedding them in so they can only get better....:thumbup
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xdonniedarkox 11-07-2011, 08:45 PM Narrowbands?
Narrowbands?
Yes..they sure are.
CARBONAR1 11-07-2011, 10:07 PM Damn that's sexy, now you can perfect your 250kph rolling stoppies! :bow
For fvcks sake....That looks amazing.
Really impressed Sam...I love the direction she's going in.
If you want to, you can ditch those front brake line guides on the mud guard and let them bow out naturally. It's a little pet peeve of mine :lol
Also, have you had a think about updating to the newer style Akra stickers? They have a bit more red in them and would pull the rotors in nicely...
http://superbikeplanet.com/image/archive/11-2.jpg
I'm pointing out fly shit in a bowl of pepper though...They really look fantastic :thumbup
Dio's R1 11-07-2011, 11:13 PM fack those calipers look beefy as hell...so stoppies must be a breeze eh
cjr605 11-08-2011, 12:02 AM Gorgeous. How are the braketech rotors?
rossm 11-08-2011, 12:22 AM Oh err lovely
Damn Sam, that thing looks like a beast. :flex: :bow
marcaztls 11-08-2011, 03:24 AM Change those caliper mounting bolts for Ti RaceSpec ones! :2bitchsla
Seriously though, they look mega Sam :thumbup
strat1701 11-08-2011, 08:07 AM Looks sharp. At least those calipers have a dedicated bleed port! Mine took a monumental pita to get all the air out of them, (different brembo caliper model) lever still isn't as tight as my nissin setup but is far better and gets better as i ride the bike and fluid/pads get hot. Then stop and lever returns some spongyness. I chaulked it to brembo issue but the brakes work and work very well.
marcaztls 11-08-2011, 08:20 AM Looks sharp. At least those calipers have a dedicated bleed port! Mine took a monumental pita to get all the air out of them, (different brembo caliper model) lever still isn't as tight as my nissin setup but is far better and gets better as i ride the bike and fluid/pads get hot. Then stop and lever returns some spongyness. I chaulked it to brembo issue but the brakes work and work very well.
What calipers do you have that you think don't have a bleed nipple? :confused:
strat1701 11-08-2011, 08:36 AM What calipers do you have that you think don't have a bleed nipple? :confused:
they do, just not a dedicated bleed nipple port as on mine, they share the banjo bolt. I had to order custom spiegler lines to fit them to the bleed/banjo bolt/port. My thread-
http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=311338
I have the Brembo HP nickel plated calipers they look similar to these-
http://www.hardracing.com/images/hpBling.jpg
However, these pictured below are really what you get as the ones above have a dedicated port and the ones I have do not, like these non nickel plated ones. Note the single banjo bolt and bleed nipple, where the blue plug is.
http://www.hardracing.com/images/brembohpr1.jpg
drjak 11-08-2011, 09:18 AM they do, just not a dedicated bleed nipple port as on mine, they share the banjo bolt. I had to order custom spiegler lines to fit them to the bleed/banjo bolt/port. My thread-
http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=311338
I have the Brembo HP nickel plated calipers they look similar to these-
http://www.hardracing.com/images/hpBling.jpg
However, these pictured below are really what you get as the ones above have a dedicated port and the ones I have do not, like these non nickel plated ones. Note the single banjo bolt and bleed nipple, where the blue plug is.
http://www.hardracing.com/images/brembohpr1.jpg
Am I going to have the same issue with these:
http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=297747
I bought them last year and haven't installed them yet. I just got the Brembo HP calipers (with spacers, just like yours, but the bronze ones instead of nickel) a few months ago and had planned on installing this winter.
strat1701 11-08-2011, 09:37 AM Am I going to have the same issue with these:
http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=297747
I bought them last year and haven't installed them yet. I just got the Brembo HP calipers (with spacers, just like yours, but the bronze ones instead of nickel) a few months ago and had planned on installing this winter.
it is possible but you'll find out soon as you try to mock them up. I found that without the dedicated bleed port, regardless of where it sat on the caliper, you needed at least a 45 degree banjo fitting. Had the caliper had the banjo bolt on the side or back my galfer lines would have worked.
Look close at my setup, you can see how you must have a 45 degree angle fitting to bring the line out. If not, and you have a straight fitting, the line will not sit nice and could bind around the fork or have to sit against the radiator.
http://i.imgur.com/2RiNw.jpg
Dio's R1 11-08-2011, 09:37 AM ^^Oh crap...i've never noticed that on this setup before
marcaztls 11-08-2011, 09:42 AM I see what you mean strat, but why did you have a hard time bleeding the brakes?
I think that bleed nipple is in the best place possible, the highest point of the mounted caliper.
Is it really line fitment that you had issues with?
strat1701 11-08-2011, 10:01 AM I see what you mean strat, but why did you have a hard time bleeding the brakes?
I think that bleed nipple is in the best place possible, the highest point of the mounted caliper.
Is it really line fitment that you had issues with?
Nope, it's these calipers. There are so many nooks and crannies air just wants to stay in there. the saga-
After realizing the line mis match, ordered correct custom lines. Brand new. No routing issues. Used ALL NEW crush washer on all fittings, at MC, calipers. I have a Brembo 19RCS MC as well. I had it with OEM calipers and my galfer lines, ROCK HARD lever pull I could get once I bled it. I know how to do this. No leaks of anykind.
Install spieglers and brembo HP calipers with the 19rcs. I did not over torque any banjo bolt or crush washer. I had ZERO leaks from ANY crush washer, banjo fitting on either caliper, or the MC. No kinks in lines. Torqued to about 12-13ft lbs on all banjo fittings. Bled bubbles galore out until I saw nothing. Never ran out of fluid at reservoir top either.
There are NO LEAKS ANYWHERE, and ZERO bubbles coming from MC, or calipers. Pumped the lever few times, felt ok, used a bungee cord around the lever and left it over night. Didn't touch.
Come back next day, no leaks anywhere, remove bungee cord,, pump lever, is so-so, crack open the MC bleed port and massive air bubbles come out. Same at the calipers. Re-bleed system. Repeated this MANY times. Hit the lines, tap the calipers to help lift bubbles up to the top. Even pushed the pistons back into the calipers which should force any air there up thru the lines and to the reservoir. Reinstalled pads, calipers etc..
Thought perhaps the bleed bolt inside the main banjo fitting on a caliper was bad, so I ordered a full set of new banjo bolts and new bleed bolts that screw inside from Yoyodyne. Inspected the caliper piston seals for leaks of fluid, nada. NO oozing fluid from any crush washer anywhere. You can bleed system to no air bubbles, but then go for a ride, heat everything up, then bleed immediatley after and you WILL have air coming out of the bleed ports.
THE BRAKES DO WORK they do stop and after riding a few miles the lever actually seems to get a bit harder, but then sit at a stop light or park the bike for a few mins, and the lever returns to some spongy feel to it. It is the most baffling brake issue I have ever encountered. No loss of fluid at all anywhere, no leaks, yet somehow air is getting in there periodically.
Totally I have ran about 3 bottles of new brake fluid thru them.
Hell for shits and grins to rule out my MC causing an issue, I used the spiegler lines (that I had to order to fit the brembos) with my brembo 19rcs mc, and the oem calipers. Wala, no air bubbles, and rock hard lever pull, solid, always. It's something with the calipers. Not my MC, not my lines, not my crush washers. (new ones used all the time, I swear I have a ton of them).
Somehow these don't leak fluid but somehow they let air in. There can be no other explanation other than the fact that there are major pockets that are very hard to purge.
marcaztls 11-08-2011, 10:11 AM Strange, sounds like you've done everything correctly.
I know you say the RCS works fine with your standard calipers, but you could try a new seal set in that just to rule everything out, except the calipers themselves.
I've seen a few OE Brembo calipers have seating issues with the bleed nipples, but never the banjo bolts.
It's a shame you don't have a spare set of hoses that you could clamp one side off at a time to see if that points to one of the calipers in particular. Clamp one side off, leave overnight and check lever feel, repeat on the other side.
Fluid doesn't have to leak for air to enter the system in every case.
From what you've said though, if they were my calipers I'd have all the pistons out, and all the seals and inspect them very thoroughly. Some older models of Brembo calipers have 'sided' fluid seals and there's a slim possibility one or more have been installed incorrectly from the factory. I don't know if your model caliper does have sided seals though so I can't specifically help there.
strat1701 11-08-2011, 10:19 AM Strange, sounds like you've done everything correctly.
I know you say the RCS works fine with your standard calipers, but you could try a new seal set in that just to rule everything out, except the calipers themselves.
I've seen a few OE Brembo calipers have seating issues with the bleed nipples, but never the banjo bolts.
It's a shame you don't have a spare set of hoses that you could clamp one side off at a time to see if that points to one of the calipers in particular. Clamp one side off, leave overnight and check lever feel, repeat on the other side.
My RCS is only about 1.5yrs old. My 6r's RCS is older, had that since end of 08. All fine. But I hear yea, can't hurt to replace seals in that, but I would tend to think that is probably not where the problem lies.
I tend to usually always get more air bubbles out of the right caliper than the left, and that one takes more bleed passes to clear than the left. By right I mean the bike's brake lever side front caliper. Next thing was to be ribbon tape on the banjo bolts but what it's the bleed bolts that are TINY thread pitch that need extra sealing imho. It's been fine since the spring, I've just learned to deal with the spongy feel at first then gets better. I've been doing more track days with my 6r of late, but I do plan to track the R1 next year so I may do some more testing later. OH, a 'brembo' MC reservoir tube was used too, new, no sweating clear tube anymore. Clamped nice and tight both ends, even thought that could suck air in.
Strat what's the positioning and condition of your reservoir at the MC?
strat1701 11-08-2011, 11:34 AM Strat what's the positioning and condition of your reservoir at the MC?
OEM position. THe only thing I changed was the clear tube and I replaced the clamps on either end of it. It appears clean, and I see the fluid move in it as there is a tiny piece of plastic flash still attached to the end of the plastic reservoir nipple end the tube attaches to. I had to sand it down a hair to fit the tube around it. (the 'brembo' clear tube is much smaller diameter than the OEM one, if I took a mm off it that was a lot). The plastic flash pulses when I engage the lever, as the fluid inside the tube moves. By pulse if it moves a fraction of a mm but you can see it move a hair. Obviously the fluid dynamics do this anyway, I just have the plastic in there (it's still attached to the plastic nipple end, NOT free floating in the tube) to visually see it.
That little plastic flap would irk me as the plumbing holes are so tiny in the banjos.
Anywho, my last two thoughts would be to raise the calipers above the mc and tap the lines to release any air.... or try filling the system with fluid through the bleed valves at the calipers using a length of tube and syringe.
Damn that's sexy, now you can perfect your 250kph rolling stoppies! :bow
Thank you Ben...:sneaky
For fvcks sake....That looks amazing.
Really impressed Sam...I love the direction she's going in.
If you want to, you can ditch those front brake line guides on the mud guard and let them bow out naturally. It's a little pet peeve of mine :lol
Also, have you had a think about updating to the newer style Akra stickers? They have a bit more red in them and would pull the rotors in nicely...
I'm pointing out fly shit in a bowl of pepper though...They really look fantastic :thumbup
Thanks...SAB, I think I might try that...with the front line guides....also the sticker idea is a good one...need to ge those stickers first...I wonder where
I can get them..:thumbup
fack those calipers look beefy as hell...so stoppies must be a breeze eh
Thanks Dio...Still getting the feel for them....:sneaky
Gorgeous. How are the braketech rotors?
Thanks.....Still getting use to the feel, so far so good....:riding
Oh err lovely
Thanks rossm....:thumbup
Damn Sam, that thing looks like a beast. :flex: :bow
Thanks TC...:thumbup
Change those caliper mounting bolts for Ti RaceSpec ones! :2bitchsla
Seriously though, they look mega Sam :thumbup
Thanks Mark...Will do with the Ti bolts when I can get some....:thumbup
Looks sharp. At least those calipers have a dedicated bleed port! Mine took a monumental pita to get all the air out of them, (different brembo caliper model) lever still isn't as tight as my nissin setup but is far better and gets better as i ride the bike and fluid/pads get hot. Then stop and lever returns some spongyness. I chaulked it to brembo issue but the brakes work and work very well.
Thanks start... Hope you get your issue sorted....:thumbup
Thanks to all for your kind words....:bow:bow:bow
I went out for a 2 hour Bay side (Beach) ride last night the weather was beautiful...just a bit humid..
Was so happy to ride the bike...she felt great did not go mental as I still want to retain my licence...& life, however was bedding in the brakes...and having some fun.
Towards the end of the ride was coming up to the stop lights, and applying the brake approx 10 meters, before I needed to stop...gently with one finger...RCS is set at 19 X 20, at the moment...she pulled up effortlessly, in fact my mate who came out with me was abusing me, as he tried to stop also at the same distance and was skidding through the start of the intersection, he advised me just because you can stop doesn't me I can...
Anyway next test will be up in the hills, will also need to try 19 X 18 setting, currently using Castrol SRF all round...so far so good.
I suppose the real test for these bad boys will be on the track....next year I will do that...
Check it Sam :thumbup
I can send them over to you if ya like.
http://srsigndesign.com/id9.html
Check it Sam :thumbup
I can send them over to you if ya like.
http://srsigndesign.com/id9.html
Thanks seth....:bow
PM...sent
Just like to say these brakes are AWESOME, had to pull up quickly today before I knew it even with one finger on the lever had the rear end at least two feet in the air...... felt absolutely awesome.... :fact
CARBONAR1 12-04-2011, 01:34 AM Good work. Maybe you can give Matt Mingay a run for his money. :sneaky
marcaztls 12-04-2011, 03:15 AM They appear to be so good they've shrunk your text.
That is impressive, Brembo should advertise that.
Good work. Maybe you can give Matt Mingay a run for his money. :sneaky
I wish.....:thumbup
They appear to be so good they've shrunk your text.
That is impressive, Brembo should advertise that.
:lol....;)
andrewstclair 01-27-2012, 03:20 AM that bike is amazing. the brembo's are the nicest looking brake you could have gotten well worth the money, i hunted them down for my car now i want them for the bike where did you come across those? the carbon the color scheme everything about that bike is gorgeous and im deffinately going o think of it tonight while im with my gf lol
Yaright 01-27-2012, 11:30 AM Get 108's and save enough money to buy the forks to put them on :lol
Those are fricking gorgeous though !!
z064life 01-27-2012, 12:24 PM Get 108's and save enough money to buy the forks to put them on :lol
Those are fricking gorgeous though !!
some of us already have the forks :sneaky
Dentist 02-10-2012, 01:32 AM Ahum, maybe not exactly like yours, but my 2000 has one, as you know!
Dentist 02-10-2012, 01:34 AM Yes they're worth it to the person that owns parts like these.
It's not just about improving performance, it's the whole 'experience' of owning rare, expensive and unique parts like these. You won't see them everyday, in fact without buying them, many people won't even get to see them, let alone feel, work on and use parts like these.
I understand your question, but the answer's not always a clear yes or no.
It's often a case of who/what you know and keeping your eyes open, waiting a long time and not necessarily just forking over a lot of hard-earned for parts like these.
I own a crabon swingarm which I lusted after as the holy grail of R1 parts, never thought I'd ever see one, let alone own one and then one came up for sale at a silly cheap price because it was incomplete. I'd have been happy hanging it on the wall as art but I made it work, and made it my own. There's no other like it in the world and that to me is worth more than money could buy.
Ahum, not exactly like yours, but the original is on my 2000, as you know!:)
marcaztls 02-10-2012, 01:38 AM Ahum, not exactly like yours, but the original is on my 2000, as you know!:)
Oh yes, I know very well mate ;)
What I meant was for some of us, it's more about making something work that most wouldn't be able to, or it was never designed for it. Finishing my 'arm is exactly what I meant. The OP's calipers are sort of that.
Hope all's well with you, been riding much recently Hans?
Dentist 02-10-2012, 01:52 AM Oh yes, I know very well mate ;)
What I meant was for some of us, it's more about making something work that most wouldn't be able to, or it was never designed for it. Finishing my 'arm is exactly what I meant. The OP's calipers are sort of that.
Hope all's well with you, been riding much recently Hans?
I know, just kidding!
I am looking at those as well for my 09, bit pricy, 2100 EUR. a piece.
But, if I would buy them, I'd do the rear one as well, that Std. rear brake is not to my liking, so that would have to go as well.
But I just bought an additional radiator for the 09, Redracing, they don't seem to make a whole race radiator for it. Look it up, it's cool in more than one way.
Last time on track was in NZ with it, rain, damp, rain.Luckily I had imported my 04 Dymag mags with rains, so all conditions covered.
Cheers, Hans
marcaztls 02-10-2012, 02:00 AM I know, just kidding!
I am looking at those as well for my 09, bit pricy, 2100 EUR. a piece.
But, if I would buy them, I'd do the rear one as well, that Std. rear brake is not to my liking, so that would have to go as well.
But I just bought an additional radiator for the 09, Redracing, they don't seem to make a whole race radiator for it. Look it up, it's cool in more than one way.
Last time on track was in NZ with it, rain, damp, rain.Luckily I had imported my 04 Dymag mags with rains, so all conditions covered.
Cheers, Hans
Just checked it out, very nice! Pretty good price too.
I use a HPK rear caliper, Galfer disc and it works brilliantly. I use rear brake a lot and find that for me, it's ideal.
Glad you had a good time in NZ ;)
Dentist 02-10-2012, 03:09 AM Posted "my Fleet" under ride of the month, don't know if it belongs there, but Rorlow will corect, if necessary.
MajorMods 03-15-2012, 11:05 AM some of us already have the forks :sneaky
and if u read ur PM's, u can also have THESE calipers like him (for a fraction of the cost). :D Now you can handle with the Ohlins and stop with the Brembos! Let me know if u need anything else.
Stonewall 03-15-2012, 11:35 AM Could I have the Pm as well?:hammer:
MajorMods 03-15-2012, 11:38 AM Could I have the Pm as well?:hammer:
sure thing bro! Check ur inbox! Anyone else feel free to PM me directly as I don't want to clutter the thread with PM requests.
BTW, to the OP, badass caliper man! This a SERIOUS setup!
FYI, just a heads up, if ur riding it on the street alot, u gotta clean the well after every few rides cuz the race caliper doesn't have dust seals. :D
and if u read ur PM's, u can also have THESE calipers like him (for a fraction of the cost). :D else.
If you can get these for a fraction of the cost....I would say Buy them..:fact
BTW, to the OP, badass caliper man! This a SERIOUS setup!
FYI, just a heads up, if ur riding it on the street alot, u gotta clean the well after every few rides cuz the race caliper doesn't have dust seals. :D
Thanks for the Info... yep I saw that they had no dust covers....
Its been nearly a year with them on, no issue's they are Awesome...:rock
polakw/aR1 10-07-2012, 09:54 AM :lhumper:
Dentist 10-25-2012, 03:03 AM Yes they're worth it to the person that owns parts like these.
It's not just about improving performance, it's the whole 'experience' of owning rare, expensive and unique parts like these. You won't see them everyday, in fact without buying them, many people won't even get to see them, let alone feel, work on and use parts like these.
I understand your question, but the answer's not always a clear yes or no.
It's often a case of who/what you know and keeping your eyes open, waiting a long time and not necessarily just forking over a lot of hard-earned for parts like these.
I own a crabon swingarm which I lusted after as the holy grail of R1 parts, never thought I'd ever see one, let alone own one and then one came up for sale at a silly cheap price because it was incomplete. I'd have been happy hanging it on the wall as art but I made it work, and made it my own. There's no other like it in the world and that to me is worth more than money could buy.
You sure about that?
SakiBomb 10-25-2012, 03:19 AM Don't you'll get a timely reply :(
greenstreak9205 11-04-2012, 02:07 PM Kno the right people and you can get them at a fraction of the cost :fact :lol
4yamahas 11-05-2012, 05:52 AM So did anyone get a deal from this guy on Monoblocs ?
z064life 11-05-2012, 06:04 AM So did anyone get a deal from this guy on Monoblocs ?
what do you consider a "deal"?
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/Z064life/Bike/DSC_0288.jpg
polakw/aR1 11-05-2012, 06:26 AM I like your setup on the safety wire with the little rings, I might have to try that.
z064life 11-05-2012, 06:47 AM I like your setup on the safety wire with the little rings, I might have to try that.
they are just clips so I can take them on and off...they are a bit of a pain with these calipers, but it lets me have the rubber coating since the safety wire hits the caliper
polakw/aR1 11-05-2012, 06:49 AM :thumbup, yeah right now I have my shit safety wired up but it was more for practice since I havent done it in a while, when I get to CO and set her up for the track I will do a much better job and make it more "quick change" like yours.
greenstreak9205 11-05-2012, 10:29 AM I might be able to get another set for anybody that's interested :dunnoWELL BELOW msrp :lol
Z06 doesn't seem to mind his :sneaky
polakw/aR1 11-05-2012, 10:42 AM How about some shit for my 06 PJ?:dunno :)
greenstreak9205 11-05-2012, 10:55 AM For you? It would just be below msrp. Not well below :hammer:
Wait...
My tail is on its way back...right? :scared
:lol
polakw/aR1 11-05-2012, 10:58 AM :sing:
maybe
:yesnod:lol
Im not ready to buy any juuust yet, but if the mood and the price strikes, well then maybe.:)
z064life 11-05-2012, 10:58 AM For you? It would just be below msrp. Not well below :hammer:
Wait...
My tail is on its way back...right? :scared
:lol
what tail?
greenstreak9205 11-05-2012, 11:00 AM Fk! :lol
I'm actually lookin to see if I can get a set now. :dunno when I'll be a response though :lol I'll keep ya posted :thumbup
Stonewall 11-05-2012, 11:06 AM I might be able to get another set for anybody that's interested :dunnoWELL BELOW msrp :lol
Z06 doesn't seem to mind his :sneaky
Really!:sneaky
greenstreak9205 11-05-2012, 12:01 PM :yesnod :dunno
ss55539 11-05-2012, 12:58 PM How about some shit for my 06 PJ?:dunno :)
ive got an 06 that needs brakes too:dunno
polakw/aR1 11-05-2012, 07:27 PM what tail?
:hammer:
Should be there tomorrow.:)
Fk! :lol
I'm actually lookin to see if I can get a set now. :dunno when I'll be a response though :lol I'll keep ya posted :thumbup
Come on man I dint even draw any dicks on it!:lol I did put a cool sticker on it though.:sneaky Stonewall will like the sticker so post up a pick of it.:)
rorytsm 11-05-2012, 07:35 PM :hammer:
Should be there tomorrow.:)
Come on man I dint even draw any dicks on it!:lol I did put a cool sticker on it though.:sneaky Stonewall will like the sticker so post up a pick of it.:)
i see you got the dick stickers i sent you. no need to draw them when you can just stick them on :fact
polakw/aR1 11-05-2012, 07:35 PM :vanish
:hammer:
Stonewall 11-05-2012, 08:03 PM i see you got the dick stickers i sent you. no need to draw them when you can just stick them on :fact
:lol
greenstreak9205 11-05-2012, 08:07 PM :rant fk!
:lol
polakw/aR1 11-05-2012, 08:17 PM Its ok when you peel them off there will be a dick shapped void where the Primer peeled off.:lol since i outlined the stickers with a razor blade....
ss55539 11-05-2012, 08:27 PM Its ok when you peel them off there will be a dick shapped void where the Primer peeled off.:lol since i outlined the stickers with a razor blade....
:hammer:
greenstreak9205 11-05-2012, 08:28 PM So you're saying they'll be dick silhouettes :shake
polakw/aR1 11-05-2012, 08:31 PM :yesnod :hammer: Be careful if Frank ever hits a TD with you because he will be all over your "tail". Lmao
greenstreak9205 11-05-2012, 08:40 PM :scared
polakw/aR1 11-05-2012, 08:48 PM Be very very :scared :lol
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