codemaster 05-09-2003, 01:13 AM I've been working on take offs lately since my take off skills arent so good, they're alright but could use a lot of improvement.
Was wondering if people could give tips how they accelerate from a stand still real fast?
Kelial 05-09-2003, 01:20 AM Front tie down in order to keep the front end form lifting up is something I have heard about. Otherwise, I don;t seem to have too much of a problem. There isn't much the ! can't take in a simple roll on.
zx7tiger 05-09-2003, 01:23 AM This is what I do.
Put my right foot down and keep my left on the peg.
Lay down on the tank.
Bring the RPM's up to about 6500-7000.
Drop the clutch, it will not grab instantly it will slip for a few feet.
Make sure you are turning the throttle wide open.
Lightly tap the rear brake if it starts to wheelie up too far.
Hope that helps.
crash2 05-09-2003, 01:40 AM put the ball of your right foot(or left) on the peg, you're pretty much close to pushing the bike backwards. the left foot is planted on the ground and is close to pushing the bike forward, duck down at bit(crunch), relax your hands, leave the rpms at idle, position your wrist joint below your knuckles. as soon as the green light turns on, slight but progressive throttle roll on and with the twisting the throttle, your elbow ends up touching the side of the tank.
the speed of the roll on determines if you wheelie or launch perfectly as in close to doing a rolling burn out. don't feather the clutch. use the throttle to control your acceleration.
you counter the g-forces by using your legs to push your body forward. that's why the ball of the foot on the pegs. This also removes pressure on the bars.
my 2 cents:beer
codemaster 05-09-2003, 12:42 PM k, this is what ive been doing and something is obviously wrong with it...
im at stand still, left foot on ground, right foot on pegs.
i hold the clutch right on the edge of grabbing
and hold the throttle on the edge before it start revving
when i start, i turn the throttle down pretty hard, and slowly but aggressively let go of the clutch so it grabs incrementally
sometimes i notice the engine will almost lose all power, then slowly start picking up
once in a while i get a pretty good take off, but i cant figure out how do it consistently
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crash2, it sounds like what your saying is a regular roll on but with more throttle. can you describe exactly how you might shoot off to make yourself blast off vs. drag few feet before you start?
except you did mention about the weight handling, i will try that more... anymore details would help
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zx7, can you describe what you mean by drop the clutch in details? and you know how the R1 will almost start off slow for a few feet, then blast off?
well thats what im trying to kill, the start off slow for first few feet.
ive seen other bikes with less power just gun it from standstill almost looking as if they never stopped, like to learn how they do that :yesnod
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any tips anyone?
sawboy 05-12-2003, 04:59 PM cyberena
the problem with that approach is that you are having to modulate the throttle and clutch at the same time. This makes it hard to recreate the perfect launch,
I prefer to hold the throttle at a steady rpm and work the clutch.
Play around with different RPM until you find a sweet spot where it doesn't bog or pull the front end too much.
Keep as much weight over the front end as possible and get ready to shift.
R1Fanatic 05-12-2003, 05:15 PM This is probably going to be the dumbest question you guys will get this year, but what the hell. If I can deal with you bastards calling me Sweetness, I can deal with being made fun of for my question. Here goes....
Where exactly is the "ball" of your foot? :confused: I hear this all of the time, but I never use the term "ball." Is it the back of your foot by the heel (shaped like a 'ball'), or is it the spot next to your big toe (also shaped like a ball)
Ok, flame away, but make sure you answer the question in the process :crash :lol
I think it's the part of the foot that all the toes are connected to.
yamahog 05-12-2003, 05:33 PM :iamwithst The ball of your foot is between your tows and your arch.
R1_enough_said 05-12-2003, 05:49 PM Originally posted by zx7tiger
This is what I do.
Drop the clutch, it will not grab instantly it will slip for a few feet.
Hope that helps.
If it's not grabbing at 6-7 grand with a full throttle, and you are actually "dropping" the clutch, your clutch is in need of replacement.
Unless you mean that you are "slipping" it purposely to keep the front end down.
If you would go full throttle and "drop" the clutch......you'd be on your back
zx7tiger 05-12-2003, 08:16 PM Originally posted by R1_enough_said
If it's not grabbing at 6-7 grand with a full throttle, and you are actually "dropping" the clutch, your clutch is in need of replacement.
Unless you mean that you are "slipping" it purposely to keep the front end down.
If you would go full throttle and "drop" the clutch......you'd be on your back
Actually my clutch is great, I am just trying to get ALOT more weight moving and it slips more than if I was 115lbs.
I do not launch full throttle, I am at 6-7 when I have the clutch in and go full throttle after I dump it. No doggin, just go. Gotta do something drastic to get my fat ass moving.:(
sawboy 05-12-2003, 10:46 PM sweetness:lol :lol
Speed 06-07-2003, 10:44 PM Sweetness, if someone told you to stand on your tippie toes, the ball of your foot would be the support (So that you don't fall backwards)
O2LiquidSilverR 06-07-2003, 10:51 PM Sweetness you asked for that one .... should have left that part out the ball of your foot is right behind your big toe when you stand tippie toe you are on the ball ~
RacinJason 06-07-2003, 11:08 PM Originally posted by cyberena
I've been working on take offs lately since my take off skills arent so good, they're alright but could use a lot of improvement.
Was wondering if people could give tips how they accelerate from a stand still real fast?
When i drag with some one I roll forward and blip the front brake and spin the tire a little just light smoke to heat it up then roll up to the light and bring the rpms up when the light turns green and all my body up as forward as posible .
I slide the clutch out kinda like a slipper when it grabs all the way then use the throtle to control the wheel lift .
Use the throttle to control the wheel the rest of the way .
The reason i use the clutch at first like a slipper clutch is because I leave you a larg amount ov over head torque to use to pull you out to a whole shot .
Thats my trick I havent lost yet.
I even tried it on a R6 racing a r1 and i still won.
The flywheel has a lot of power behind it along withe the rotation of the crank. I learned this by road and dragRacing 2 strokes .
LarzR1 06-08-2003, 07:07 PM If I'm taking off like that, I start off in second.........
Maxxym 06-08-2003, 08:34 PM Rene :lol the balls of your feet are on the bottom where your toes bend.. damn this is hard to explain lol..you knwo the only part that bends on the bottom of your foot..
Cyb, I would go to drag strip and practice. There is no better place. What I do is I keep the engine reving at about 5k with the clutch sligtly in just enough so it doesn't grip yet. Once I take off, I release the clutch easy and giving it some gas. You kind of have to find that sweet spot where the clutch engages. If you go to the drag strip, you can see what your 60ft times are. There is a scanned article that I posted about drag racing in Drag Racing section. Read it. It's pretty good.
If you take off and your engine bogs down and then takes off, that means you either duped the clutch too fast or your RPMs were not high enough.
Maxxym 06-08-2003, 08:37 PM When i drag with some one I roll forward and blip the front brake and spin the tire a little just light smoke to heat it up then roll up to the light and bring the rpms up when the light turns green and all my body up as forward as posible .
if you take off on the drag strip and you see the green light your reaction time was too long.
You want to start taking off when the 3rd yellow light comes up.
What I usually do is I count to 3 really quick. Like when the first light comes up I start counting one, two and in the same time while I say 3 I take off. You should not be able to see green light.
My reaction times are in 500s and this method works for me, but my 60ft sucks ass...thats the whole thing in drag racing hehehe....
Red Beast 07-05-2003, 07:58 PM First, you need to position your throttle hand at a higher angle than normal, or you will not be able to twist the the throttle to wide open. A guy at the strip told me this and I didn't belive him until I tried it. As far as taking off, I take it to 7000 with one foot on the ground. I put all the weight I can over the gas tank and let the clutch out until I feel it start to grab. When the light turns green, slip the clutch along with opening the throttle further. If you start to wheelie, slam it into second gear. It will come back down. I'm not consistent at this either, but it did get me a 1.74 60 time. Thought I'd share some knowledge I gained at the strip. I'm new and still learning. Oh yeah, reaction time has nothing to do with your E.T. at the drag strip. It took me awhile to believe that one too.
CZ Eddie 07-05-2003, 09:14 PM Originally posted by Red Beast
Oh yeah, reaction time has nothing to do with your E.T. at the drag strip. It took me awhile to believe that one too.
Lol, my last trip to the dragstrip I was the only biker there.
Everyone who came up to me to ask about the bike would comment on my 1.5-2.0 reaction time and not even mention my horrible 2.4-2.6 60' times. :lol
I kept saying... "Dude, I'm not here to get good reaction times, I'm only worried about getting my 60' better, and they would just look back at me with this puzzled look on their faces. :lol
Reaction time means nothing to me until my 60' is any good.
evilR1 07-05-2003, 09:17 PM a wheelie bar
big_rob_sydney 05-02-2005, 02:23 PM I think with the non 04-05's ( which have a tall first gear ), there was a post some time ago on this. It went something like:
1 Dump it at 3-4 thousand
2 Immediately shift into second
3 Nail it
This was because the earlier bikes had more thrust down low, whereas the newer bikes need some clutch slippage to get the best out of them.
HTH
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