How to......stand-up wheelies

Well...now that we have this section, guess I better start using it. I'm currently working on 2nd gear stand-ups. I have found the fountain of adrenaline... <> Problem is I can't keep it. I think what I do is while maintaining the balance, I'll give a little too much gas. This causes me to roll off a bit. But I'll roll off a little too much and have to gas it again to come back to the balance point. This is what is causing me to speed up. I know what the problem is, it's just a matter of practice and getting better throttle control. Making more minute adjustments to stop me from speeding up during the wheelie. I think once I can control this, I'll be able to break the 1 mile barrier, which is my goal right now. I'm probably doing about 1/4 to 1/2 mile stand-ups right now. I want to keep my speed around 80mph indicated. Once I start getting above 85 my rear wheel wants to dance around. If can keep that balance point, then I should be able to control the speed, thus have a controlled stand-up w/ minimal back wheel two-stepping. Share your thoughts. Any tips are welcome. Can you wheelie for a mile+? Let's see some video.

have you thought about using your rear break a little when you have to balance it again? Until you get to the point were you don't have to keep finding the balance point, hoover over the break and GENTLY tap it to slow yourself down. Thats how I learned:)

It's a good idea, but I don't see me having my foot in the right position. I ususally ride stand-ups near the balls of my feet. I could try and re-position my feet to cover the rear brake I suppose. I think my real problem is just throttle control and feel. I should be able to control the speed with the throttle alone, with some more practice. I don't really go out to practice wheelies, it just happens when I'm out riding and I have some room to work with (long road, minimal traffic). So my progress takes some time, which I think is a good thing. That way I'm not trying too much too soon. Thanks for the reply Wetpavement. Got any video on your website of some good wheelies?

I've started trying some 2nd gear wheelies, I tried to do wheelies on 1st gear with the r1 and it just comes up way too fast for my taste and i feel like if i give it too much gas i'll just flip the sucker in a heart beat. I tried some 2nd gear bounce ups and it came up a LOT slower and smoother, still trying to get the thing high. I bounce and tug and throttle at 50mph and jerk the throttle 2k rpms higher and it comes up but not a hell of a lot.

Originally posted by turborl7 I bounce and tug and throttle at 50mph and jerk the throttle 2k rpms higher and it comes up but not a hell of a lot. I can't stress enough about timing. I find for me that the rpm's are key. It comes up real easy using the bounce method when the rpm's are a little less than 7000 in 2nd gear. That should put your speed in the upper 60's maybe. So try starting the wheelie going a little faster.

Originally posted by EarlThePearl Thanks for the reply Wetpavement. Got any video on your website of some good wheelies? Just keep practicing brutha! You'll get it! As for video, don't know why the hell we havn't thought of that! hahaha I'll check to see if we can get some up. OLX is currently in the process of putting out a full length video! Bet you ass it'll be posted here upon completion. I'll get back to you about the teasers!

I like you EARL, you are as honest as they come. No bullshit. I like that. I will tell you this, and take it for what it's worth. At 80mph in second you are turning some good rpm, and the motor has alot of leverage on the tire in second. It is a bit easier to balance in 3rd at 70-80 than in second. You have to be alot smaller on the throttle in second than in third. Just a thought. The higher up you are the more the bike wobbles from side to side it would seem. When your wheelieing with the front tire only 2 foot off of the ground you are accelerating so hard the bike goes nice and straight. the higher you get the front wheel the less you will be accelerating and the more side to side wobbles. My opinion anyway. I have just now been able to ride a wheelie at the same speed, and I notice myself moving side to side on the bike more keeping it going straight. You will not need the back brake on a 1000cc 4 cyl 11.8:1 compression motorcycle. Just letting off will bring you back down. I know exactly what you mean by playing with the throttle causing you to speed up. I do the same thing. Some days I am in way more control of it than others. I have to just take a deep breath, and then get the wheel up and make myself hold the throttle UNTIL I NEED to let off. It easier said than done. You can safly go PAST the balance point and keep the bike wheelieing. thats how the good wheelie guys slow their bikes down. I try to keep reminding myself of this. It is the fear of going to far back and not being able to save it that keeps our hands rolling on and off the throttle. I hope to meet up with you If I go back down to Dallas. I would love for you to show me some of the places to ride in Dallas. My last trip was not what I expected. I will show you what I know about wheelies and you can show me what you know. then we will both be able to wheelie better :)

Originally posted by JAYSTENSEC4CYL At 80mph in second you are turning some good rpm, and the motor has alot of leverage on the tire in second. It is a bit easier to balance in 3rd at 70-80 than in second. You have to be alot smaller on the throttle in second than in third. Just a thought. You know I was thinking the same thing, but can I get the wheel up at that low speed is the question. I haven't tried any 3rd gear wheelies yet. I wanted to get skillful in 2nd gear before I move onto 3rd. Guess I'll give 3rd a shot next time I'm out. 2nd gear has been getting up for me much easier lately, as my timing gets better. Maybe 3rd won't be as hard as I'm thinking. We'll give it a go anyhow. Thanks for the props btw; sorry I couldn't be here for the Speedzone thing. Let me know if you'll be anywhere near Dallas for any reason. Gotta see one of those high chair wheelies my man!

Originally posted by JAYSTENSEC4CYL I will tell you this, and take it for what it's worth. At 80mph in second you are turning some good rpm, and the motor has alot of leverage on the tire in second. It is a bit easier to balance in 3rd at 70-80 than in second. You have to be alot smaller on the throttle in second than in third. Just a thought. :) I understand what you are saying about this, but how fast are you going when you bring it up? And also, I'm assuming that you are bouncing it, is that right? I find when I bring it up in 3rd that I'm doing about 80 to begin with and I wind up speeding up in the processes of bringing up to the balance point. Did you regear to help you bring it up a little earlier?

I clutch up every wheelie. I like clutching better than bouncing. I learned to do standup by bouncing, and then learned to clutch it. Once you learn to clutch it you will do it that way every time. I do not like to bounce a wheelie because to get it up you have to give it full throttle and the the accerleration of the bike bring the front end up. When that happens you are starting out a wheelie accelerating making it way harder to balance, not to mention you are using up RPM in that gear that you could be using to ride the wheelie. No question about it, clutching it up is hard on the bike. But I bought my bike as a toy not a daily transportation so I dont get to excited if it won't last 200k miles. From 30mph to about 45mph I clutch it up in second, above that I use third, and I go a gear higher when I am on the rear pegs. I have one tooth less on the front sprocket, still factory chain and rear sprocket at the 18,900 mile mark. They all need changing. I can do the same thing on a stock R1. Actually it's easier in a way on a stock R1 as my bike does not have the EXUP and runs like hell below 4k rpm. I do the same thing on the 600's I have ridden, though with my roomates F4I I have to give it a serious tug at 70mph in 3rd to get it up high enough to balance it. I always want to get the bike up as quickly as possible, gives me more time and rpm to get it balanced. I cannot balance every wheelie, hell some days my wheelies are shit...lol I will E-Mail you when ever we come back down EARL. BTW do you know Patric? He rides a yellow (or red) 929? He is the guy to watch. He is amazing. He is coming up to OKC for a stunt show at a low rider car and truck show called Lower Level. It is June 22nd. I will be there.

Originally posted by JAYSTENSEC4CYL BTW do you know Patric? He rides a yellow (or red) 929? He is the guy to watch. He is amazing. Patrick Stephens I presume. Yeah he's on another level. I don't know him, but I know of him. He was out at one of the meets about a month or so ago doing 12 o'clock wheelies and throwing sparks like it was the 4th of July. He's a lot of fun to watch. I believe that's him on the sportbikehype.com home page. I see that they are going to have a show on KSTR here in Dallas. Curious as to what that's all about.

I like to bounce up a second gear standup at 36mph. By the time you hit the balance point you are only going about 60mph. As long as you are not heavy handed with your throttle, you should be able to ride it out a long way. It does feel pretty spooky, but if you can just tell yourself to keep gassing it you will find out that a twelve o'clock wheelie is not that hard...Practice, practice, practice...:D

not trying to be smartass or anything but are there any other wheelies besides stand-up wheelies?

Sit down wheelies, high chair wheelies, tank wheelies, sidesaddle wheelies, rear peg wheelies, knee in the seat wheelies, superman wheelies,frog wheelies,....and lots of variations to all of them. Too bad I do not know how to do a wheelie :(

Originally posted by JAYSTENSEC4CYL Too bad I do not know how to do a wheelie :( Bahahaha!!! LAMO!!! Get serious already Jay....smart ass!! (j/k) Are you sure you didn't miss any? Oh yeah, knac-knac wheelie!

hey are there going to be a lot of bikes at that show stunting or what? If so me and some guys will definitely come up from Lawton. We could hook up and ride and do some wild stuff! Let me know Phil

Yes you are correct Earl that is Patrick on sportbikehype.com. And yes Jay Patrick is the man especialy on wheelies he can do them all with style. But now he rides a red and black 929. And of course his yellow 600 stunt practice bike or toy as he uses it. And he always good with giving tips. :rock

I am not sure how many bike's will be there. Last year it was just me and Patric. It is not an organized stunt show, no stoppie contests or anything, they just let us go up and down the track a few time. We did a slowest 1/4 mile wheelie, Patric went 63 mph for a dead stop, I went 99...lmao The guy is off the HOOK. He was cool as hell to, no big ass attitude or anything. Just a cool guy to hand with. It is fun, there are lots of people there watching. They will also have a bike show and a burnout contest. I have asked them to do the burnout contest last as it is damn hard to change tires on the bikes after you blow one...

Has anyone with an 02 found the sweet spot yet because everytime I try It feels way to high and yet I'm still carrying some speed forward so I know that I haven't yet found nirvana:(

Give me that 02, I'll try it...lol Nothing like doing a 2:15 on someone else's bike....haha

Toba- The sweet spot on the 02 is way in the f**k up there. It's gotta be 11:15 to 11:30 or higher. I'm not good enough to get her up there on a regular basis yet! Makes me nervous as hell! But hey man, if your not nervous your not pushing yourself right? :crash :D :thumbup

Damn, it is way up there!!! I will never learn how to wheelie then. I guess I need to get a new watch because mine only goes to 2:00. :no

If you go 2:00 O'clock on a wheelie, the first person you need to call is your insurance agent...lol 12;00 will have you dragging the tail section on the ground...lol 2:00 will have you wadding your bike. I wanna be able to do a 12:00, but um....I......er........suck :(

Hey Jay- Judging from your avatar I seriously doubt that you suck! Tank wheelies are some sick shit man!:thumbup P.J.

10 o'clock = 2 o'clock riding left to right....riding right to left same difference I can't do either...but working on getting the nads to get higher and higher!:D

BY the looks of Jay's avatar he is doing a highchair wheelie. And yes they are sick.:rock

I do OK wheelies. I am no Patric and never will be. I keep trying to do MY best and I am happy with that. I get pissed sometimes cause I cannot do something someone else can, but then I am sure I can do things they cannot as well. I did something cool the other night. I actually managed to slow down a wheelie. I was doing a wheelie and I had it balanced, but I was doing 100mph on my speedo. I was thinking man I sure wish I could slow this down a bit. So I get into the gas a bit and get it back past the balance point, and then let off a bit to bring it back to balance. I looked down and I was doing 97mph. I was freaking happy. I know it's only 3 mph but to me It was a big deal. I went to the drag strip that same night, and they let me wheelie down the 1/4. I picked it up at the line and when I went through the traps I was only going 77mph. I was happy, thats my slowest wheelie through the 1/4 so far. I wish I had a way to post some video clips on this site. I have some cool clips of us out screwing off. I was out trying to see what a 12 o'clock would be like, I was clutching it up in 1st at 17mph, and man those were the most wobbly wheelies of my life. It looks funny on camera...lol If anyone wants to come up for the Show saturday, you can crash at my house saturday night before you head back. Make it a little cheaper on ya. It will be fun. It's only $10 to get into the gate, and the stunt show is FREE to enter. Just E-mail me at JAYSTENSEC4CYL@AOL.COM , OR call my cell at 405-412-6472. Have fun guys:thumbup

I have a stupid tip coming from joe novice himself. I have found that getting the front of my R1 up is whole lot easier on an near empty tank of gas. This would help anyone trying to learn wheelies for the first time. Never heard anyone mention this yet, am I full of s@#t or not????:boobies

no your not full of it, back in the day when I was first "learning" I could only do wheelies on a lower tank of gas. Now.........it don matta

Hey guys, I've never really tried a stand-up wheelie as I'm still not all that consistent with 2nd gear seated wheelies but if you could help I'd appreciate it. 1). What sort of position do you get into before you clutch it? Position of the feet would be helpful too? Balls/Center of the feet? 2). You do clutch it in second right? If so, is it easier to pull it up standing than seated? Trying to figure out how much RPM I need. 3). Do you need to modulate the throttle to keep her going or is it easier to just hold it now that she's up. I just need the "complete idiot's guide to stand up wheelies". If someone could provide it, that would awesome :thumbup

Now that I can do stand-up wheelies, theres no going back. The first day I tried them I thought they were a lot harder than seated wheelies. But now stand-ups rule. Learning them in first gear is easier I believe. I still have not mastered the second gear wheelie thing. :beer

2nd gear -------- bounce! as you compress the front end, pull up while rolling the throttle

Cool thanks man. What about body position? How far do you have to be leaned back while doing this?

EarlThePearl & WETPAVEMENT I can not seem to manager the foot\toe on the rear brake. So what happens is I pick up more and more speed topping out at about 120mph in second gear. I have the MIG high mount exhaust could this be the problem? Maybe I just plain scared to tap the brake at all. :no I'm gonna keep trying. ;) r1dude98 Yeah, stand ups are much easier and you have so much more visibility standing up. Good luck. SpdKlzU 1). What sort of position do you get into before you clutch it? Position of the feet would be helpful too? Balls/Center of the feet? I use the balls of my feet kinda like your up on your toes sorta. 2). You do clutch it in second right? If so, is it easier to pull it up standing than seated? Trying to figure out how much RPM I need. If your going between 55 and 65mph (say about 4th gear) drop down to second gear and you will not have to use the clutch at all. Compress the front end(push down then pull up) while rolling the gas and it should come right up for you. Remember to keep your rpm's at about 6.5 to 7. 3). Do you need to modulate the throttle to keep her going or is it easier to just hold it now that she's up. Yeah, unfortunately I have been feathering the gas:no, but I'm trying to ween myself from doing that. As I said earlier it only make me go faster and now I want more control. Good Luck

Cool thanks bro. I need to dedicate a day to practicing riding her out (hopefully I'll still have a clutch left to change gears with... I think she's on her way out - 10k miles)

Originally posted by EarlThePearl Problem is I can't keep it. If those three pics included in your signature are indicative of your average wheelie, I can see why you can't keep them. Those look like you've hit a speed bump going through a parking lot, not your balance point. :thumbup

Originally posted by zeroXX If those three pics included in your signature are indicative of your average wheelie, I can see why you can't keep them. Those look like you've hit a speed bump going through a parking lot, not your balance point. :thumbup Ha ha very funny mother ****er!! :finger (Sorry to get a little Samuel Jackson on ya, it was the 1st voice that popped into my head when I read your post) Gee thanks, now I gotta go out and get new pics of my progress. Guess I needed to anyway. Those pics aren't really a reflection of what I can do now. So where are your pics Mr. Wheelie man? :p

Originally posted by EarlThePearl Ha ha very funny mother ****er!! :finger (Sorry to get a little Samuel Jackson on ya, it was the 1st voice that popped into my head when I read your post) Gee thanks, now I gotta go out and get new pics of my progress. Guess I needed to anyway. Those pics aren't really a reflection of what I can do now. So where are your pics Mr. Wheelie man? :p Lol, no problem at all.. :) Sorry I can't comply with the photo request as I'm much too busy shooting my friends while they practice their stand-ups. I've been looking for a photographer to turn the camera on me though. :) If you look close, you'll notice your bike would fit under his front tire. :) http://www.zeropics.com/bikes/zeropics-r1_7334a.jpg

Yeah a lot could fit under there with the height he's got going....except maybe that heavy bike your luggin' around.:D Let's see some wheelies on the Blackbird baby!

Originally posted by EarlThePearl Yeah a lot could fit under there with the height he's got going....except maybe that heavy bike your luggin' around.:D Let's see some wheelies on the Blackbird baby! Well, you're only an hour and a half away from me.. Why don't you ride up, and I'll show ya some wheelies while you're trying to catch up to my heavy bike.. :machinegu

I am not sure what you are shooting for, but in 4 short posts you have proven yourself to be little more than an ass and a shit starter. If you really think your hot shit cause you can wheelie better than someone else you have problems. It's just a ****ing wheelie, who give's a rat's ass. I'd much rather ride with people out to have a good time and not look down on anyone that have only moderate skills than ride with a great rider with a huge ego looking to make everyone else feel inferior. Nice pic of GUS BTW. GUS is a pimp.

Shouldn't be hard to talk a friend in to shooting a picture of you. And Jay by the look of the smileys I think its all in good fun no shit starting intended. And if I'm wrong Earl can just go wheelie right past his ass.:D

If that post was ment to be funny and I took it the wrong way, my appoligies.

Hey Jay thats just the natural way us R1 owners stick together and look out for each other.:thumbup

Originally posted by JAYSTENSEC4CYL I am not sure what you are shooting for, but in 4 short posts you have proven yourself to be little more than an ass and a shit starter. If you really think your hot shit cause you can wheelie better than someone else you have problems. It's just a ****ing wheelie, who give's a rat's ass. I'd much rather ride with people out to have a good time and not look down on anyone that have only moderate skills than ride with a great rider with a huge ego looking to make everyone else feel inferior. Nice pic of GUS BTW. GUS is a pimp. \ Jay, obviously you're missing the joke here. I sure didn't intend to belittle anyone, simply was giving him a hard time for the 3 pics he had attached to his sig while involving himself in this thread. I really don't believe I said anything about me being better than him at wheelies or anything else for that matter. It's a forum, have a little fun, or let us. Don't be a dick. As for the comment about the people you ride with, ha.. Good luck in Okc. Camaraderie amongst riders in this city is a thing of the past. I've never met so many egos in my life before the last 4 years..

Originally posted by JAYSTENSEC4CYL If you go 2:00 O'clock on a wheelie, the first person you need to call is your insurance agent...lol 12;00 will have you dragging the tail section on the ground...lol 2:00 will have you wadding your bike. I wanna be able to do a 12:00, but um....I......er........suck :( :finger Youse funny.... Jay, I have tried to call my insurance agent. he won't talk to me anymore. Too many damn claims already for trying get my watch fixed! I knew I should have been a jeweler instead of a rider. :D I can't wheelie for sheite. I can get it up for a hot sec on in 1st and don't have the balls to try in 2nd at 80 mph. Can you do the bounce method sitting down or is it only for stand-ups? I need to find somebody with an 02 around here to show me how it is done....

Wasn't trying to be a dick. I am sorry. I though you were trying to start shit with someone. You just never know with the internet. I like Earl he's cool, even if he likes sheep, and I was just watching his back...lmao As far as people to ride with. You should come on one of our SPEED-TRIBE rides. We meet the 1st and 3rd Sunday of each month at 11:00 am at the Bricktown Varsity. Just a bunch of guys that like to ride. For the most part all great guys and gals to know. We have alot of fun. There are alot of good people to ride with in OKC, but alot of carzies and moron's as well. I'll ride with pretty much any one though, as I am still learning to ride :) Next ride is July the 7th. Hope you can make it brother. Tell GUS to bring his ass out there as well. It's always more fun with GUS...lol

Originally posted by JAYSTENSEC4CYL ...even if he likes sheep Dude, you were supposed to keep that secret!!

Ow man sorry about that brother, i guess it just kinda slipped out...lmfao Man I am ready to RIDE!!!!! Gotta get a back tire on my bike :( I found out I can wheelie my roomates F4I better than I can my R1...lol SHIT!!! I hate it when that happens.

I'm not a big fan of your speed-tribe crowd either.. :) No offense.

He let's YOU ride his bike??? WTF was he thinking?:D My buddy in Abilene wrecked his '99 F4 right in front of me while in my Rodeo last month. He came down off a stand-up into a tank slapper he couldn't recover from. I had a F2 for like 5 years, man what a stable bike. Never would have thought he would have went down the way he did. Must of not had his wheel straight or something. How was the ride from OK City to Dallas BTW?

Originally posted by zeroXX I'm not a big fan of your speed-tribe crowd either.. :) No offense. What is it that you have against SPEED-TRIBE? I don't remember seeing a double X at any of our rides. All the people that ride with us have a great time. However I have talked to several people that have not ridden with us and they had negative things to say about us. No biggie, you cannot please eveyone. To each his own as it were. I wish you well ZERO XX. You are always welcome to ride with us. Who know's you might have a good time :) I work at Performance cycles on 39th from 10 am until 2 pm every day. Stop by sometime if you get bored. We can BS about bikes and maybe you will see the SPEED-TRIBE guys ain't that bad :)

We had fun in Dallas brother. The freaking IRL cars were the shit!! Man those cars were hauling ass. We went to Wataburger Saturday night and rode with a few guys. they were riding crazy. Cutting in and out of cars for no reason. They were scaring me...lmao We hope to go back down again and see if we have better luck. It was fun either way. My roomate is cool, I let him ride my bike before he got his. I don't do anything crazy on his bike. It is so much easier to balance it's amazing. Night and day to my R1. I went to the stunt deal last Saturday and managed to do a tank wheelie all the way down the 1/4 :) I was stoked. I wanna try to get it posted here on this site so ya'll can see I'm not full of it :)

What O'clock is this? This is my old bike. Need digi cam !

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hey guys need some help, been about 7 months since last ride due to briken back from snow boarding. but was just starting the wheelie thing before my accident. i have a 2001 r1 stock gearing, thinking about raising 2 teeth in rear to help pull the wheel easier but whats the best method and gear to start? load suspension and throttle or clutch at certain speed. need major help, can't afford another broken back or a damaged bike. don't have 5k to rebuild if i bail ? help

Jim2001r1... just stay stock, start slow in first gear. Cover the rear brake, and then try to bring it up, even for .001 seconds (i.e. pop the throttle lightly around 5,500rpm). Do that 20-30 times.. then try to apply less of a "popping" pressure to the throttle, and more of a slow twist (like you were accellerating hard). The bike will then come up for .3 or .5 seconds before you snap the throttle shut and she slams back down again. Do that 20-30 times, and try to work on not closing it all the way when you freak because the bike feels like it's pointed towards the sun.. but rather closing it "somewhat".. eventually the amount you closeit will be just enough to hold the biek at a given height as it accellerates. the less you close it, the higher the bike. remember, cover the rear brake, start slow, and wear proper gear. :D

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Hi guys, I have to admit that I don't know anything about wheelies. :cryin :cryin I tried many times,...but it always gets up for a second, then I freek-out and let the throttle... Now, I would be more than pleased, if someone could tell me how to start learning wheelies.... I read this thred through, but I still don't get it. What is this clutching and bouncing up the wheelie???? Please, someone explain to me (in steps): 1. how to practice and finally make ''safe'' wheelie; 2. which gear/what RPMs (what speed) for a start and after some wheelies..../how to handle the throttle ??? 3. how to make a ''soft landing'' (to make it easier for front forks and for me - sometimes it feels like the font wheel shakes to much when it touches the ground) THANKS ....:jump :hellobye

Joe Rocket R-1 wrote this as a response to wheelie questions awhile back.... Before I explain the clutch up, I want to begin by saying, "Warm up your tires' Trying to do clutch ups with the tires cold will just end up with the rear tires spinning. At least it does for me. Maybe I'm too fat.. Anyways, in second gear around 35-50 MPH. I find around 40-45 to be best for me, queeze the clutch in while reving the engine. While the engine is revin high, let go of the clutch. It's a timing thing. You should feel the front end come up. If you don't, you didn't give enough revs or let out the clutch too slow. But take it eazy when learning. It's much better to not the front tire up vs flipping the bike. In less than a week, you will be pulling them up at will. :D

I have an 02 R1. In second gear at about 40 mph i slide to the back of the seat. With my index finger i pull the clutch in. In the time in takes you to pull that clutch in and release it you should have revved the bike enough to make it come almost straight up. I stay seated and and keep that throttle smooth. The key is throttle control. You cannot be abrupt! I will wheelie any straight where i live.:thumbup In third gear at about 70 mph i do the same as second but add a slight tug to the bars.

I dont really know what anyone else here is really capable of when it comes down to it, but if you want to know how to ride some bad ass wheelies ask RIZZER 1 or anyone in that group... me and my brother went over and rode with them the other day, they're a great bunch of guys, and they make it look too easy...

I've always been crap at holding wheelies for any sor of duration, mostly due to fear instinct but here's the technique i do for 2nd gear standups on my bone stock bike......roughly 50-55 mph stand up, place knees against the tank and giver some gas chop it off a bit, and then full throttle right to the stop, comes right up everythime now....so now I'm going to try the same thing sitting down as I feel like I'm in more control when sitting down depending on the mods on your bike U may need less throttle, but it sounds like U need more....and relax your grip too always helps... good luck

I finally started doing stand-up wheelies in second gear yesterday. For a while I was clutching up sit-downs in second but wanted to be able to ride out the wheelie for a longer amount of time. I attempted them before, but was never able to get the front off the ground far enough by bouncing it. Here are my findings. The bike comes up a lot smoother when you bounce it. At around 50mph, in second, stand up, let off the gas, push down on the front shocks and at the same time, open up the throttle. For a while I was making the mistake of pushing down on the front shocks and waiting till they rebounded to hit the throttle. Now it's coming up everytime.:thumbup

I HAVE AN 02 R1 AND I HAVE FOUND THAT 2ND GEAR IS ALL YOU NEED TO WHEELIE IT FOR DAYS. I START AT ABOUT 55 TO BRING IT UP AND GO TO ABOUT 95. BUT SUNDAY I RODE ABOUT THREE WHEELIES THAT NEVER GOT OVER 70. IT IS ALL THROTTLE CONTROL AND TIMING. THE LAST ONE I RODE ON SUNDAY WAS RIGHT AT THREE MLES AT 68 MPH!! IT WAS AWESOME. WHEN ANY ONE COMES TO DALLAS LET ME KNOW AND ILL SHOW YOU WHERE EVERYONE RIDES!!! JUST KEEP PRACTICING AND YOU'LL BE THERE BEFORE YOU KNOW IT!!! :rock

what did you guys do to get over the "fear factor"......when I bring mine up about a foot......I put it down quickly. I know I'm far from flipping but it's just scary! I guess I need to take my tampon out and get some Bizzalls!:D

I think everybody is very scared at first. 1) R1's are damn expensive to replace 2) You don't want to hurt yourself I think the key to learning wheelies is little steps. Don't push yourself too much. The posts here are excellent. Try different gears, try different positions, etc. You will find one that works for you. Than master that....learn something else. For me, I'm now working on standups. Frankly, I still enjoy sitdowns better and can ride them for much longer. Soon, it will be like that for my standups. At least I hope. ;)

Heya JAYSTENSEC4CYL I dont claim to be a wheely legend but one thing I can do is slow em down, I have put it up at 140 and landed at 90 Kph, my advise would be dont be afraid of the other side of the balance point, it's not like you hit the backside and it's all over, it actually falls back pretty slow and allows time for correction, the only thing you gotta watch out for is falling of the back of the bike!!! now im trying the high chairs at the moment, any tips? clutch it in second ? (im 75 kgs):hellobye

:crash I'm all for the clutch-up wheelies. 35 is about the slowest 2nd-gear clutch-up I've been able to do on the '01. 95 is about the fastest I can clutch it up in 2nd, and unless I'm quick shiftin', it's a short wheelie. (110 and your at the rev limiter in 2) Shifting into 3rd is still a 50/50 craps shoot, but man, when it hits and stays, it's a friggin' show-offs paradise. The bike stops accelerating at 126 mph in 3rd, so that's usually where I end up. It's all about practice. The day I decided I was gonna ride wheelies, I made a point of takin' an hour every day to go practice. It eventually worked and then I moved on to upshifting. Very scary. I use the clutch when upshifting to 3rd. It's difficult to convince yourself to speed-shift a torque monster when it's standin' on its ass. Memories of riding a '98 all the way over at 110 are difficult to ignore, but practice gets you through it. The thing actually wants to fall down the minute you pull the clutch to speed shift and doesn't jerk back up like I always expected it to. It either hits and I stay up, or it hits and I've got the wrong revs/angle and it sits back down. I try to cover the rear brake, but I've found that every time I get over center and the vomit factor kicks in, I never even think about tappin' rear brakes. It's not instinctive. I just hang on, shit myself, wait, and the nose drops back down. It's all over in a millisecond. I suppose it's all about practice. If I was purposely throttling the bike over center with the intention of using the rear brake to save it, I'd probably learn to use it instinctivley. My only problem is that I don't have an R1 that I can throw down the road amidst my practice errors. This week's trade of the '01 for the '02 sends me back to the back of the wheelie pack. The throttle is weird with this fuel injected ride. Freaks me out. Today I'm a wheelie lover trapped in a pussy's body. 800 more break-in miles. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...it's rainin' in Tennessee. Hmmm, I haven't played with this thing in awhile.... :ugh

I ride my 02-R1 on one wheel as often as posible. I bring the bike up in 2nd whit the bounce method, then shift to third. I use to many RPM's to ballance out in second. Once in third, the bike does the work. ballance point comes naturally.

i just got my R1, once im done w/ the break in, she's gonna be on 1 wheel:D

whats the better wheelie bike, the '02 R1, or the earlier models, and why?? are the cbr900/929's and suzuki 750's the best bikes for wheelis overall, and why? thanks guys.

Please can someone explain how you bounce for a wheelie? Thanks Nick

Yes guys keep it up, this thread rules. I need to get all the information I can about riding wheelies. I havent broke my cherry yet.:(

The bounce method is nothing more than compressing the front forks, you do not actually bounce the front. There was a question about whick bike is better to wheelie. The new 02-R1 has a longer fram than the old R-1, and the power is higher in the reves do to injection instead of carb. My roomate has a 929, and it is a little tricky to bring up. My buddy has a 954, and it comes up eassy in 1,2,3,and 4, but I can do the same on my 02-R1.

:jump :jump :jump :jump Well, I FINALLY GOT IT!!! woooohhhoooooo I have been playing around with stand-ups in 1st for about a week - trying to reach the balance point...it seems way up there compared to my old 97' CBR900. Anyway, this AM I jumped on the tollway headed up to Frisco to meet a buddy and go to breakfast. Well, I caught up with about 10 riders who were all mostly in leathers. As I exited the tollway a couple of them bounced it up and proceeded to do some awesome standups at about 80mph...it inspired me. I got off on a vacant road and without even thinking about it I stood up...bounced the front in 2nd gear and UP SHE CAME! I was so happy that I let off the throttle a little and immediately tried it again - UP SHE CAME (again). FINALLY! I guess all of the reading I've done about how and all of the videos I've downloaded sunk in and it paid off. Thanks to everyone for great advice. It truly is a TIMING thing - I didn't have to jerk the bars very much at all. I am 5' 7" and 170...well....ok 180 :mad: so just a word to all of you "smaller" riders out there - it can be done. :D

hey, this is the stand up wheelie thread, but theres alot of just wheelie help in here....i am in need of stand up wheelie help I am getting pretty damn good at 1 and 2nd gear wheelies now, i can hold both to the limiter. my longest has been a 2nd gear wheelie for about a mile now....what i cant do is hold steady RPMs and keep the front end up, so I know im not at the balance point yet. I have been there only a handful of times, and hitting the balance point is as scarey as the front time you have taken the front tire off the ground...even if it was only a foot:)) so anyways, i have tried a few things...wheelies with the feet off the pegs, thats kinda fun....but how in the hell do yah do a stand up? i only attempted it once. I was rolling in 2nd gear about 45mph, went to clutch it up and it just didnt feel right, felt like i was gonna launch myself off the back of the bike. am i going too slow?...how is your body position supposed to be...are you supposed to stand at the same time your front end starts to loft?...are you supposed to be kinda crouched on your bike, or fully leg locked when you hit the throttle to bring it up....etc etcccc...i know that whatever the hell I am doing , its wrong:lol thanks for the advice in advance, stunterz....

While in second gear running 45 you don't have to clutch it. Just bounce it up.:D

While in second gear running 45 you don't have to clutch it. Just bounce it up. I agree, 2nd gear at 4k rpm, and a LITTLE bounce and its up in the sky, WHY using the clutch, instead ya should practice on tha technique:rock :rock and in 3rd, 1 bounce at 6k rpm and BOOMM:finger NO CLUTCH, its all in the technique:rock

body position guys...at what point do you start to stand up, are you crouched, are you already wheelie-ing....etcc etcc...play by play how do yah stand up while doing a wheelie....

Well, here is my 2 cents.... I'm new to the board but not stunting. On my 1200 Bandit I ride stand ups switch foot (one foot on the rear peg). It's a little easier to bring up and my Bandit is a tank compared to the R1. I also use a clutch up/bounce for my standups in second gear.(R1 in third at about 50mph) It's a combo move that you need good timing on. Some of you guys wanting to try an easier approch may want to try switch foot. For sitdown "slow" wheelie's you can keep them between 35-45mph using the back brake. Bring the bike up quick to beyond 12 while on the rear brake. You need to be at 12-1 o'clock and hard on the rear brake. You ride the rear brake the whole time. This takes alot of practice and some nads. If you are doing this right your bike should almost feel like its bouncing because of the rear suspension. Whatever you do... DO NOT let off the rear brake at this point.... you will loop it. As for long wheelie's(sitdown) I like to crack it in first gear then change to second as the wheel comes about 2ft off the deck, ride second out then change to third before the bike starts to loose power. No clutching involved just click gears... remember when clicking gears the bike usually will go a little higher as you change gears so be ready for it. If you want to learn good wheelies you will. Just try a little bit everytime you ride. Thats how we all learned. PRACTICE! Peace - MC :beer

whats up R1 and bandit...do a search on chicago riders, im tryin to plan a short ride up to Highland house for those of us in the area....im thinkin not this weekend, but next weekend...sunday morning...welcome to the board:)

my answer is if you got an 02'...it's just a twist of the wrist!!!!!:rock

I ride an 02 R-1, and have no problem bringing the bike up in 3rd with no clutch. However, when you use the bikes power to bring the bike up you gain speed. that is how you get hert if you are a dume ass, and not wearing any gear. The clutch alows you to bring the bike up with a dramatic increase in speed.

i guess its a matter of balls but does anyone else have or has had the following problem: In second gear standups, I get up off the seat. As the bike starts rising I sit down subconciously. Is it a matter of balls?

Nope just a mater of position. Try this, for me it's the most comfortable way to do a stand up and I prefer it 9 out of 10 times. Put either your left or right leg on the seat, you'll hit your g spot easier and it's definetly more comfortable. Or put your left on the read peg and right on front, this is a good 12 position but don't **** with that if you don't know what I'm talking about.

I dont think i will mess with 12 o clocks until i get standups down packed on 2 3 and 4 gears

do you clutch, bounce or pull?

bounce and pull

I assume your doing 2nd and 3rd then? If you havn't got that balance point down to slow you down yet. Lower your rpms and drop the clutch at lower speeds it will allow you to ride them longer.

well i might be going trying to learn to fast but i dont even have the balance point on first gear sitdowns

Dude 1st gear is way to touchy, don't bother! Stick with second, but I will tell you this, keep at it and go at a pace you are comfortable with. Coz I'll tell you this, once you get to that point where you are comfortable riding out those wheelies, you'll start throwing your legs all over that thing!

i'm new in this forum guys but one thing i know for sure...you guys can argue about the way you lift it up but in the end of the day you all will end in one thing ...for better control you need to use the rear brake....u can lift it in 2 ...stand up put the bike in the right point in which you need only a bit of power to keep it up then shift to 3 and gently bounce your right hand for a long time or...keep changing gears if you want but knowing that if you give to much the brake will help tp smoth things my opinion is controling the rear brake you always have more options to lift it up.....and dont think that you can't flip in a 1000 bike....you can get a surprise

I've come straight to the last page. I might be repeating somebody else but....I went up two teeth on the back sprocket. I ride stand ups till my arms get tired. Fourth better than third, third better than second, etc. Not braggin, just meaning the sprocket helped a ton.

when you go up in teeth does the chain still remain at 530?

Yeah keep it 530. No need to change that. When you start learning to slow the bike down on a wheelie then you'll learn how to adjust for turning. When the bike is siiting in the balance point it's hard to change lanes to pass traffic, but if if you lower the bike a bit and speed up it is fairly easy to lean towards the lane you want to go in. When I say traffic I mean the clean up guys at the race track.;)

You gotta remember....wheelies are not a science, it's art! So keep it simple when bringing it up, balance that mofo, and then go for the style points! First of all, you are desperate if you use 1st gear. Come on, that's just wrong. On an R1, if you can't work magic in 2nd (even sitting down)....then you shouldn't be bringing it up. Stand it up, go steeper, then a bit steeper, then relax....cause you are looking good and can ride it out all day long. Its about style....because once you can ride them long, who cares? The hot chicks in that convertible won't keep up with you that long. So give them a little style! Look at 'em....one hand it....Can-Can...whatever. Plus, Highway Patrol or Troopers will roll your ass up if you ride them too far. Not being a jerk....but just telling it like it is. Or at least how I see it.:rock

For people that are learning how to wheelie, yes desperation does kick in. So call me deperate for wheelieng in 1st but I will continue to do so till I feel comfortable and confident.

I feel you.... I don't need to ride em for 3 or 4 miles.....I just want to get to a point where the people around me.....meaning......da :boobies are thoroughly impressed with my skillzzzz. still workin on it though:finger

My low oil pressure light came on during a long(2 mile +) standup the other day. I added some extra oil and haven't ridden since, waiting for the weekend!

Originally posted by R1ZOOM My low oil pressure light came on during a long(2 mile +) standup the other day. I added some extra oil and haven't ridden since, waiting for the weekend! Thats normal to happen having your bike vertical for that long period of time.

i'm in the process of installing an oil-pressure gauge to make sure my long wheelies aren't ^*%*ing things up... keep your eyes on the general motorcycle threads page for details.

I would cream in my pants if I ever get to the point where I hold a wheelie so long that the oil light comes on:jump I would never get off the bike:no But until then...I'll keep dreamin' about it and live vicariously through you guys:cryin

I don't know about the '02 models but on my '01 the oil light is a low level indication not a low pressure indication...and my mechanic says most are bad order and give faulty readings. Mine started coming on for no apparent reason soon after I had 6,000 miles on it. As long as you know that you have a good oil level then you have nothing to worry about....Keep one wheel up!!!!!!!!!!!!!

flynlow.. yes the oil light is an indicator of level, not pressure. and they are not the most accurate to begin with, and are known to commonly fail (mine started to come on all the time around 4-5k miles on my 99R1.. replaced it and problem solved). however, the problem is that the oiling system in your bike is fed by an oil pump, which has a pickup tube. on some bikes this tube is at the FRONT of the oil pan.. which will obviously be devoid of oil while you're in a balanced wheelie. on the R1 the tube is in the middle of the oil pan, and i'm fairly certain no oiling problems should arise from 10-11 o'clock wheelies, but i plan on installing a gauge to get a definitive answer (and modifiying the pickup tube if need me).

I use a POS 83 XT550 to practice whatever on. (I won't have my r1 until March). I tried practicing my stand up wheelies the other day and looped it twice. I tail dragged and then landed on my feet luckily. It seems very hard to keep your attention on the wheelie and your foot on the rear brake, not to mention my body feels like it wants to fall off the back the whole time. Should I make it a point to stay leaned forward with my foot on the brake? I have been reading these threads and practicing, easier said than done. I don't have a problem bouncing the bike up. Any suggestions?

BiggRedd -- i think it may just be the bike you're practicing on. On my 02, i can balance it out in 1st our second and hang backwards off the bars as far as my arms will reach with my knees locked.. you won't have to worry about falling off the back of the bike.. your biggest worry is your arms getting freakin TIRED. Also, for what it's worth, i don't use the rear brake at all when i ride wheelies.

Originally posted by adamgeek BiggRedd -- i think it may just be the bike you're practicing on. On my 02, i can balance it out in 1st our second and hang backwards off the bars as far as my arms will reach with my knees locked.. you won't have to worry about falling off the back of the bike.. your biggest worry is your arms getting freakin TIRED. Also, for what it's worth, i don't use the rear brake at all when i ride wheelies. :iamwithst , my technique exactly, although I don't fool with 1st gear much. I do all my wheelying in 2nd or 3rd. Now I have to learn how to wheelie my YZ 125 I just bought. I rode it last night and power wheelied it up in 3rd after 3 minutes of riding:D And about the low oil light, technically it kind of is a low pressure light, because if your oil level gets too low then you lose oil pressure. :fact Either way, I don't like seeing it on too much.

I know my bike sucks and isn't the greatest, but I don't mind trashing it either. So what do you do when you feel your getting past the balance point? Just let off the gas?

You got it, let off the gas. The R1 has enough engine compression type braking to bring itself down

yea, the enginebraking on the R1 is enough to rip the nose back down right quickly. also, if you do find the balance point, you can open the throttle just a hair and slowly work past it... once you get comfortable with the otherside you'll see that it's not like falling off a cliff or anything, there's a LOT of room to the otherside of the balance point before you end up scraping or having to bail.

im not sure whats been said in this thread.. but this link might be useful... so read on http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25450

I used to have a superhawk and it was easy as hell to wheelie. Now with my 02 One I am afraid, very very afraid! I guess it will come in time though. As far as stunting goes, I don't think there are many bikes better for it than the Hawk. ~Tron

I too have an 02R1 with 2 up in the rear. in 1st gear I just give it a good bit of gas and a slight tug and it comes up way to quick. With 2 up in the rear what rpm/speed should I being trying to bounce wheelie it in 2nd gear? ~A

you should be trying between 5500 and 6500 for the easiest results... work your way lower on the revs once you get the hang of those. if 6500 is too tough, you can try 7500-8500, that works better for some people (i /used/ to think it worked easier for me.. but now i find first is easier down around 5k)

thanks Adam. :hellobye you are :boobies . Now it is time to practice.

Adam.. when are you getting rid of the reflectors on the forks and the stock turn signals?:lol JK

Had a '00 R6 and tugged pretty good to bring it up. Had my R1 for about a month now and clutching without tugging 2nd or 3rd gear is the way to go. Sweet spot is 50-60 mph in 2nd. Just my $.02.

i like 3rd gear standups at about 60-80 mph bounce method you can ride out 3rd gear forever

second is my favorite, has anyone tried shifting while wheeling?

Smokingjoe what is your technique for 2nd??? ~A

clutch , gas , hang on!

care to elaborate for a newbie... ~A

40-60 clutch , rev 6500 or to desired excitment , release clutch and hold gas

haven't tried shifting yet

hi to all! I've just finished to read the thread... It's very useful for me.. I have a 2001 r1 and I'm trying to hold it up... and I was feeling a little bit discouraged because I've tryied in these last two days two hours a day to hold it up in first gear and then upshifting... very difficult for me.. the result is that I can take the bike up only for a few seconds, when it goes well. I'm glad to know now that in first gear it isn't so easy. I'd like to find the balance point, sitting on the bike. Is it a good-safe way doing it in second gear whit on-off and a tug on the bar? I already can do it, but I always thought that the good way to learn was in 1, so I didn't concentrate in this.. Is it possible to find the balance in second and then practising shift in third? And is this a good way to learn sitting wheelings? Thank you!

Second is easier than first cause its less jerky but its scarier cause you are going faster...

consider too that I have the fear others have already spoken about...

its like pick your poison... i am trying to learn stand ups in 2nd but it is MAD SCARY!

today I was able to shift in second, but only one time.... scary,...very scary.... a lot more than to be fast in second.. (i've already gone up to 100kmh to 165kmh) I think it's all an survival instinct that will be destroyed with tranining.....i hope so! ....tomorrow I'll try in second...then if there are other troubles (sure) i come back to this forum... ..when I whatch those videos I feel like a useless man... ....but again...I will win!!:yesnod

another question: I cover the rare brake, and I've already tried to use it, but with no great feeling.. I'm afraid to mess with rare brake and throttle together used.. I'm afraid to fleep when releasing the rare brake.. Is it or not risky use throttle and rare brake together?

i would say only use rear brake if you are doing twelves or SUPER SLOW wheelies...

a good habit would be to just use a very light pressure on the rear brake.. really just rest your foot there.. that way if you screw up.. your first reaction will be to press down on the brake and save the wheelie. when i'm going high ones, this is what i try to do.

Ok umm if they are an higher than the wheelie in your pic:rock: we need to talk. Cause that there pic of yours is UP... ~A Originally posted by adamgeek a good habit would be to just use a very light pressure on the rear brake.. really just rest your foot there.. that way if you screw up.. your first reaction will be to press down on the brake and save the wheelie. when i'm going high ones, this is what i try to do.

ok, so I do right. thank you..

Whats rear brake ?

I just recently got my new bike, about 3 weeks ago. Im not that good at wheelying just yet, but a buddy of mine is and I let him ride it a bit, and just for those of you that are curious.............the '03 R1 will come up in 4th, no clutch

Whats rear brake ? [/B] ..oouhh. ..ehmm..not even thinking about those things for now great stunts!!

PROZAC... On an R1 .. If I am going to try stand up wheelies on the rear pegs, do i need to reinforce the rear pegs? Will they snap off?

best way to wheelie on the r weezy is keep your right foot where it shoud be.. COVER THE BRAKE!!!!! ahahah put your left foot back on the rear peg... nice stable comfortable position and no the pegs should hold you fine unless you are 250+ jumping on it HAHA see the pic up there.. my right foot is covering brake.. and left foot on rear peg.. works good for learning wheelies..

cant really see your right side..hahahaha I was told to put a larger bolt or weld the rear pegs cause they will crack off...

i dunno... ive never had a peg break.. but then again im the 5 foot assasin a whopping 155 Lbs

well i am 5-10 175 i dont think that should be a problem.. anyhow I tried doing that today (putting my left foot on the rear peg... I cant seem to get comfortable enough to actually try it... I think i am a bitch!:(

its awkward just standing there because it puts you leaning so far forward... but when you actually stand it up... your very comfortable... cause you just feel like your standing up.. no hunching over.. just give it a shot... try 1st gear go like 10 and clutch it up or maybe just try a couple roll ons to get used to it :cool:

well i went down 1 tooth in the front sprocket so first gear is REALLY jumpy maybe i will try 2nd later today

i think the r1 i rode was 1 down in the front too.. came up soo fast.. i loved it .. no effort at all if i had on id drop it 2 in the front and up 5-7 in the rear lol

but with that gearing your rpm's will be in th esky all the time. Even at normal riding:no

Prozac... remember when we were discussing the pegs on stand up wheelies? read this please. Tell me what you think.... http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=30594&highlight=peg

:confused: :confused: R1's suck.. hahaha i never looked at the footpegs... ive never owned one... i guess they are really weak.. that sux.. geta honda

:lol :finger

Originally posted by prozak :confused: :confused: R1's suck.. hahaha i never looked at the footpegs... ive never owned one... i guess they are really weak.. that sux.. geta honda ...get a mans bike - 600 :bash :lol .

I'm trying to do wheelies on 2nd but it won't go up, is it because i have a stock pipe? holla back

i wish i could do wheelies, but where oh where do you do them safely.. Too many ppl and cops.. Don't wana hurt any1. especially myself.. Some great pics guys.. ;)

Originally posted by blackbeauty I'm trying to do wheelies on 2nd but it won't go up, is it because i have a stock pipe? holla back :confused: lol a stock R1 will wheelie in 4th gear easy... 2nd shouldnt be a problem... pop the clutch... or stand up :D

Originally posted by Liv2Ride ...get a mans bike - 600 :bash :lol . Takes more skill to wheelie a 6 hundo :fact .. so shut ya dick sucka... and aside from that... i now 12 on my 929... :butt

Originally posted by Tron i wish i could do wheelies, but where oh where do you do them safely.. Too many ppl and cops.. Don't wana hurt any1. especially myself.. Some great pics guys.. ;) Yep.. hard to find a place to do em... sucks asss... industrial parks are ok... or private property if u know anyone :hellobye

Originally posted by prozak :confused: :confused: R1's suck.. hahaha i never looked at the footpegs... ive never owned one... i guess they are really weak.. that sux.. geta honda :iamwithst :yesnod

Prozak is gay and rides an ex500...lol jk

HAHAHA ok ok ok u caught me but its not an ex 500.. its a 250 LMFAO this is really me on my ... i mean.. some chicks ex 250

:( No............can't do 'em. Out today and got to the point where I couldn't see over the tank......still couldn't stand up. If I try to stand up before I lift the front it feels like I'll let go of the bars with the acceleration.:2bitchsla

Originally posted by wasted :( No............can't do 'em. Out today and got to the point where I couldn't see over the tank......still couldn't stand up. If I try to stand up before I lift the front it feels like I'll let go of the bars with the acceleration.:2bitchsla try putting your left foot on the rear peg... helps balance you out

Hi mate just read your post and noticed the wee temp and time bar at the bottom,I must admit I now feal totally pissed off, you should try doing stand-ups in the driving rain and freezing cold not to mention the summer hailstones that appear from no where. Scotland must be the only place the lids come standard with gills and race leathers have fins instead of humps, nevermind its the Northwest 200 in Northern Ireland soon I hope it stops pissing down by then cheers, Jamie:( :ugh

could anyone with a 03 tell me how to tell when I get to the balance point. Every time I get it high I feel like i'm going to keep going back so I let off the gass which makes me fall back off the wheelie. Any good answers?

I have an 02 and they way I know besides just the feel is your mph will basically stay the same or within a couple mph's

...and you start to get a stiffy!!! ha ha.

hey jaystense what show are you guys talking about? lowdown??

I have an 00 R1.. does that put me behind the power curve as compared to the newer R1's or should it matter at all?

FI compared to carb'ed yes you are behind, but shouldnt be a problem wheelieng.

Thanks prnstar123. I will have to keep that in mind when I'm up on the back wheel............. and with a stiffy.

No prop, let me know it it turns out for ya.

Hello...... Just sold my '99 R1 and bought '03 Black w/flames. On the old bike it was very easy to bring the bike up in second at around 40 mph. I actually had to be carefull cause some days it would come up way too fast! On the '03 i am having major trouble bringing the bike up at any speed in second. It is set up all stock still............ any tips?

Clutch it UP!

Originally posted by Ckempf On the '03 i am having major trouble bringing the bike up at any speed in second. It is set up all stock still............ any tips? take a flatblade screwdriver.. and adjust your fork settings. turning the top of the fork adjusters to the left (counterclockwise) will make the suspension softer. if you make it nice and soft, and use throttle chop or bounce method it will come up very easily. then as you get better at it, make it gradually harder.

Ok so I didn't do a standup wheelie yet but tonight on my way home from work I tried to "Bounce" it up in 2nd gear. This hasnt worked before now, but I guess I did something right tonight. Here'se how it went down: I was accelerating in 2nd and got the rpm's to about 5 grand and held it there for a minute. After clearing the area for piggys and disco lights, I placed my hand on top of my throttle with my wrist cocked up like I was ready to roll the gas on all the way. Then I accelerated HARD through 7500 rpm or so and then I left off all the way HARD and then RIGHT BACK ON HARD all the way. I didn't leave any time for the bike to decelerate I just threw the throttle around. The bike came up nice and slow and I had it almost to the balance point (I think) when I left off because of an upcoming turn. I was excited because till now I've been clutching my wheelies in 2nd and I don't like to do that. Hopefully soon I'll be able to ride a wheelie and eventually stand up!

Dude, I used to have the same problem. I tell it like it is....you gotta rock that baby further back. You THINK you are at the balance point...but not quite. Rock it back and then you can lower your speed. The speed is making you dance.

What up fella's, farely new to the site. Anyway, I don't think the brake is a good idea unless your at 12 position. The brake just complicates things and is for the most part unneccassary. I have been pretty successful with the sitdowns but the balance is harder to hold. Less comfortable and I always seem to end up @ 120mph, not preferred if you know what I mean. So, the stand-ups are a work in progress. I do like the clutching better but I am trying the throttle chop trick to make it easier on the bike. By the way I have a 2003 limited edition R1....Love the colors!!!!

hey adamgeek, quick question, are you clutching or bouncing?

i have a 99 r1 with a one tooth dropped sprocket on it. i have been practicing stand up wheelies and i am able to get it up in third and carry it for a little while but the problem i am having is i dont know how to stay at a consistent speed,instead i just keep on and off the throttle to keep my balance point and i end up going way to fast. i am just curious if anyone could tell me how to keep it up without constantly accelerating. any help would GREATLY be appreciated

Hey Ckempf, I have the exact same bike! I have no problems bringing it up in second. It is no longer stock, I have a Lou Vincie high mount slip-on now. Other than that the engine is stock. Before the slip-on I still bring it up I just had to take it up to about 7 grand or so, then chop the throttle and pull a little and it comes right up. Slow at first then it jumps, so be prepared to let of the throttle a little. The slip on makes it to where I don't even pull any more...big difference! Finally got the stand-ups and they are so much easier and ride so much further! Anyway, hope it helps and ride safe. Don't rush it, it will come!

Man, Been practicing stand-ups for several days now and decided to do a few on a KDX 220 dirt bike. All was good till I tried shifting in the wheelie. 2nd to 3rd was smooth...but 3rd to 4th ended up in a loop at about 50mph. Now I have major skinage on the shaved head and dislocated my pinky finger, jammed my knee,plus other skinned up areas. At least it didn't happen on my R1 !!!!! Lesson learned at my buddies expense...till I have to pay!

I'm new to the forum (02 R1)--- there's alot of good info about learning stand-ups. Here's my 2 cents.... Clutching up in second is great for bringing the bike up fast and learning where the balance point is (try that sitting down first), but anyone with an 02 or 03 can bring up and R1 in second without even bouncing. Around 6k stand up and lean your weight back (just a little). When it's 2 feet off the ground lean fwd and get a comfortable position for your self. The bike WILL come up. It's all timing. In third at around 8.5K try the bounce method. I'm a witness this will work, but it took a hell of alot of practice!!!! Don't get discouraged, it takes time & tires to get consistant....

Originally posted by JAYSTENSEC4CYL Give me that 02, I'll try it...lol Nothing like doing a 2:15 on someone else's bike....haha HA HA HA HA you get it guys !!!! 2:15 (rip that A_ _ end off !:rock

did a 3 gear stand up today thanks to this thred :D I think the people on the motorway appricated it :D

I'm still trying to find the balance point. I stay up sitting for a few seconds but the speed increases or the bike goes on the right or left. I feel I'm not far of the suit spot. I've read this section lots of times. Every time I feel discouraged because i'm not yet able to stay up for what i want, i read this thread and I feel better. This stunt forum is very useful for me, go on! :)

I can't get my bike up at all, (6 inches in first gear) help, how can I pop it up? I flipped my 600R (kawasake ninja, 600cc, 1988) a couple of years ago and I'm afraid to do the same to my new baby (2003 R1), I know the balls its got and if I pull them the wrong way it'll be dejavu all over for me. I need hints u guys, please, what's the bounce method? I only know how to get up by pulling in the clutch, going up 2k to 3k revs, and letting go of the clutch, but there's gotta be a better way, please help, I promise to make u guys proud!!!!

the R1 will just come up bro in 1st easy as hell... it freaks me out to and I can only do girly 2 footers at my best... Practice is better than dropping your bike.... take little steps... I still can't wheelie.. hows that.... it pisses me off 2.... but I don't wana drop her.... $$$

for me a wheelie is done onthe clutch, the best tip for keeping it going is throttle controll, you will find you need to grab alot of throttle to get it up but after the sweet spot you need little if any. YOu use your body to move the bike around, If I have my balls of the feet on the pegs I find that by pushing them like one night a brake and gas i manuver the bike side to side, there may be more to it that I am unaware of like subtle shoulder movements , and I pull and push the bars to keep it in the sweet spot. try to go sooooooooo slooooooooooow and see what happens, it is neat to do a wheelie that is only at speed limit with all to see.

Originally posted by EDucla-R1 I can't get my bike up at all, (6 inches in first gear) help, how can I pop it up? I flipped my 600R (kawasake ninja, 600cc, 1988) a couple of years ago and I'm afraid to do the same to my new baby (2003 R1), I know the balls its got and if I pull them the wrong way it'll be dejavu all over for me. I need hints u guys, please, what's the bounce method? I only know how to get up by pulling in the clutch, going up 2k to 3k revs, and letting go of the clutch, but there's gotta be a better way, please help, I promise to make u guys proud!!!! I (by no means) am an expert on stunts. I have only been doing them for a few months, but I can do a decent Wheelie. There are several ways to do a wheelie on an R1. The easiest way probably is to just gun it in 1st gear. Just take off as if you were racing someone. Open the throttle all the way and the R1 will proudly raise it's head high. Be careful because it can come up pretty quick. Another easy way to do a wheelie in 1st gear is to accelerate to about 30mph (or somewhere in the neighborhood of 4-5k rpm) and when your bike reaches this speed close the throttle and give it no gas. When you do this you should feel the front end go down as the shocks compress. When it goes down to it's lowest point open the throttle (give it gas) all the way (wide open). The front end will come up very quickly so once again be careful. The bounce technique uses the same idea of compressing the front shocks and at the lowest point giving it gas. This can also be done if 1st gear but it isn't needed. If you want to know more about the bounce :jump technique read up on some of the threads here. There's plenty of info. I don't know what the best method for doing wheelies is on an R1. You might want to ask someone who's been doing them for a while. I just know from experience that these 3 methods work. :rock

Ok for those trying to do a wheelie in 1st on a r1 try rolling at about 4500rpm's set your rist so that it is straight like when your cruisin and give it about a 1 or 2 inch pop in your rist and it will come up no matter what..... As far as 2nd i found that clutching it is way easier and less stress than bouncing it.... To clutch it in 2nd roll at about 45 to 50 mph and try using only your index finger to pop the clutch so you can use the rest of your hand to hold on, and also try to scoot back in your seat it makes it come up alot easier and doesnt feel like your gonna fall off... For me the trick was to use only one finger to clutch it, i tried using 2 and my whole hand but that feels really unsafe for me.... In 3rd do the same thing as second except roll at about 60 mph and it should pop right up.... Be real carful with the clutch method cause if you give it to much gas it will do one of those involuntary cartwheels:p Please be carful, take your time and pop it up little at a time to get used to being in the air.... Practice practice practice... If anyone tries this and it helps let me know what you think..... Ride Safe

I just learned to wheelie this year and can do a sitdown in 1st pretty well. The problem is that I run out of rpms. I don't want to learn the balance point in 1st gear, not yet anyway. I can learn to shift to 2nd, but I wanted to practice some standups in 2nd first so that I can ride them out longer and get more time in the air to learn the balance point. 1st comes up no problem, as it should, but 2nd won't budge while sitting (I guess that's normal). When I tried to bounce it up in 2nd I expected it to come right up. I'm sure my timing is off, but I was wondering how large a part the front shocks play in 2nd gear and if it's possible to have my rebound dampening set too high in the front. I'm sure once I get the timing right I'll be able to get it up in 2nd regardless of the dampening, but while I'm trying to learn I'd like to make it a little easier. I've only gotten it off the ground like 2 inches by bouncing, and I'm still a little nervous of what it'll be like standing while the bike is rising. I hear it's more comfortable and whatever, but... I'm a standup virigin. :cryin

I have yet to do stand ups either, but as far as bouncing second. Stock settings should allow you to bounce just fine, but half a turn softer will help if you are just learning, or you can always learn to clutch it up like I do :)

Although I want to be able to clutch, I want to learn to stand up and bounce first just off of power. I guess I could bounce and clutch, but that seems retarted for an R1 only in 2nd gear. Any suggestions? Do you really have to have your timing right even in 2nd, or is my bike due for a tuneup? 98 with 17k but seems to run fine. Slip-on is only engine mod, but I just bought a K&N air filter. I'm hoping this helps.

the K&N filter without rejetting will kill your bike passed 7k rpms Stay stock airfilter... or rejet (i suggest stay stock) I did a stand up today going about 60 bouncing and chopping the throttle no clutch. Wasnt that high, but it was a start!

Originally posted by motopsyko32 [B]the K&N filter without rejetting will kill your bike passed 7k rpms huh ???

my bike rips yo!!! K&N w/ slip on:2bitchsla

I have a 00R1 and i have a Leo Vince Slip on I put the KN Filter and dynoed it. It ran LEAN AS HELL and would bog out after 7K rpm... Mechanic replaced back to stock filter and I dynoed at a humble 131.7 but no bogging and good enougfh to keep the front wheel off the ground :)

http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=6836&highlight=K%26N+Filter

more info http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=12523&highlight=K%26N+Filter

more to read http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=11391&highlight=K%26N+Filter

read the second post for more info http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=17829&highlight=K%26N+Filter

you get my point? http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=18579&highlight=K%26N+Filter

wow more and more people think like me./ or is it I think like them whatever the case. READ http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=32755&highlight=K%26N+Filter

ummm yeah http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17080&highlight=K+N+filter

u get the idea?

Yea, I get it. But maybe... :( So easiest cheapest way to squeeze more power out of a 98 with a slipon is...? My airfilter is probably dirty as shit so just replacing it will hopefully do something, but I'll keep my expectations low. Thanks for all the info. Anyone want to buy a K&N airfilter for a R1 now? I have one for sale that should get here today.

Do a search for plugs. There is a specific model number of NGK spark Plugs that give you like 1-3 HP but you will probably not even notice that. Yeah I have a KN Filter for sale too.. :lol

Originally posted by jaerrico78 Yea, I get it. But maybe... :( So easiest cheapest way to squeeze more power out of a 98 with a slipon is...? My airfilter is probably dirty as shit so just replacing it will hopefully do something, but I'll keep my expectations low. Thanks for all the info. Anyone want to buy a K&N airfilter for a R1 now? I have one for sale that should get here today. if what you want is more power for wheelies (torque) change the sprocket size. Either 1 down in the front or 3 up in the back...

I thought of doing that, but what are the downsides of that? I mean I guess you're always riding your engine a little harder, but anything else to worry about? I was going to replace the air filter, with a stock one now, and the spark plugs anyway so thanks for the recommendation.

Throws your speedo off slightly like by 5 miles or so depending how much you go up or down... Also takes away top speed. So instead of redlining at 170 you will redline at 165... or so... just an example... not exact figures...

Ok, situation is that I have a D&D slip on and that's it. I have a K&N air filter in my possession. From what you've shown me there is no way I'm going to put on the K&N without rejetting. Since an stock airfilter is like 25~30, I was thinking of putting on the K&N and rejetting it. I thought it might work better than just putting on an stock airfilter since I no longer have the stock exhaust and had never rejetted with the slipon. Is this all foolishness? I just got the K&N from ebay the other day and it's still in the box. I can resell it and just put a replacement stock airfilter on. I think I can get someone to do the labor pretty cheap. Any idea on costs for a jet kit and how much, if any, hp gain? I don't want to buy a full exhaust system.

www.dynojet.com for pricing. some forum sponsors might make you some deals. Try McCoys

im 14 and hope to get an r1 or r6 next year. when u are on one wheel and u need to shift how would u go about doin that???and are their any mods that u need or would help u ride better and safer wheelies or is that non exsistent??(a safe wheelie that is?)

Hold off on the R1. I'm assuming it's your 1st street bike since you're only 14. Actually, where the hell can you ride at 14? If it's your 1st bike the R1 will kill you, the 600s that are around now are still way fast. There's plenty of posts about how to shift so just do a search. And get the bike first, then worry about mods. You won't need any mods to get the bike up, the mods will help you get the bike up in higher gears and at higher speeds. The only thing that keeps you safe is your brain. 1. Buy a nice helmet to protect it. 2. Buy nice leathers to protect the rest. 3. Take baby steps. Crashing hurts, costs money, can raise insurance, takes away riding time, etc... You might take 6 months to make a little wheelie, but what's the hurry? You're still riding, you're learning, and you're having fun. I haven't looped it yet, but it doesn't look too fun. When you get a bike just talk to the guys that have been around a while. Notice that they wear full leather and don't act like a spaze when they ride. And even though they're a little older, they'll do circles around you and do wheelies with ease. That brings me to one last thing, don't ride over your abilities. Even though people try not to, everyone has either done it and crashed or knows a friend, or two, who have.

Originally posted by R1 Rider190 im 14 and hope to get an r1 or r6 next year. when u are on one wheel and u need to shift how would u go about doin that???and are their any mods that u need or would help u ride better and safer wheelies or is that non exsistent??(a safe wheelie that is?) hey kid sup dont get the r1 wear all the protective shit. keep checkin stuff out on the net thats how i learned but it wont make you a pro so take the msf class too. i started on an r6 when i was 15 7 months with no experience on a bike and im fine . just dont be stupid best of luck:thumbup

Originally posted by jaerrico78 Hold off on the R1. I'm assuming it's your 1st street bike since you're only 14. Actually, where the hell can you ride at 14? crashed or knows a friend, or two, who have. i said i hope to get one next year.:2bitchsla ;)

oops. forget the last part of that quote where is says crashed or knows a friend, or two, who have.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by gixxerkilleR1 [B] i started on an r6 when i was 15 7 months with no experience on a bike and im fine . just dont be stupid. i have experince and im still riding its just on a dirtbike. and i can do a small wheelie on that . but my wheelies suck:( . and ive never flipped it. i have a ttr 125 (which is extremely slow and i dont really like it to much) and i beat these 2 dudes on a yz 125 and a yz 250 (which are extremely fast.) so i guess im an ok rider.:(

i suck at the typing thing but i forgot but for jaerrico78 you can ride anywhere at any age as long as u dont get caught.

oh yea i forgot. how long did it take u guys to learn to do a wheelie???

:confused: :confused:

here are som eeducational videos http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=57589

Originally posted by R1 Rider190 oh yea i forgot. how long did it take u guys to learn to do a wheelie??? mate.... learning to pop it up is different for everyone. Just ride within your ability and as said before..... take it easy! I have been doing standups for about a month and am still getting comfortable with them... and I have been riding for about 5 years!

Originally posted by EarlThePearl Well...now that we have this section, guess I better start using it. I'm currently working on 2nd gear stand-ups. I have found the fountain of adrenaline... <> Problem is I can't keep it. I think what I do is while maintaining the balance, I'll give a little too much gas. This causes me to roll off a bit. But I'll roll off a little too much and have to gas it again to come back to the balance point. This is what is causing me to speed up. I know what the problem is, it's just a matter of practice and getting better throttle control. Making more minute adjustments to stop me from speeding up during the wheelie. I think once I can control this, I'll be able to break the 1 mile barrier, which is my goal right now. I'm probably doing about 1/4 to 1/2 mile stand-ups right now. I want to keep my speed around 80mph indicated. Once I start getting above 85 my rear wheel wants to dance around. If can keep that balance point, then I should be able to control the speed, thus have a controlled stand-up w/ minimal back wheel two-stepping. Share your thoughts. Any tips are welcome. Can you wheelie for a mile+? Let's see some video. dude I cant read every post but this is what I do. SCREW 1ST and 2ND GEAR WHEELIES !!!!! Any R1 will pull up easy no matter what you weigh in 3rd. OK I bet 500 of you guys just said in your head "this guy is full of shit". Ya did didn't ya. hahahahah. :lol Anyways what I was saying, an R1 will pull up in 3rd and be much easier to maintain balance if you properly preload the front suspension. In other words, while in 3rd gear at around 6000RPM literally stand up and push as hard as you can down on the front forks. When they bottom out, or get as close to bottoming out as you can get them HIT THE GAS! A third gear wheelie will last longer, be more stable,and keep RPM's lower for vertical stability. It takes practice but it can be done. Once you master this you will find that at the right RPM and at the right amount of preload you will be pulling up the front end in a stand up wheelie in any gear at any speed. :epimp

Originally posted by R1 Rider190 im 14 and hope to get an r1 or r6 next year. when u are on one wheel and u need to shift how would u go about doin that???and are their any mods that u need or would help u ride better and safer wheelies or is that non exsistent??(a safe wheelie that is?) :scared R.I.P. What are you nuts ? That is like learning to drive in a formula 1 Indy car come on even if you did survive you would never develope your skill the right way. don't get me wrong I am not trying to be mean> I am just trying to say thats just not how you do it. If your 14 even the R6 is too much. Start off on a yzf 600 or something. Hell I have found growing up on the pegs of a dirtbike has saved my life on the streets more times than I can count

Woodman, I agree with the fact that you can get it up in third fairly easy when done right.... but the for those learning.... I dont think they will be confident enough to do it at that speed!

i can bounce and clutch my 00 r1 up in third now

bounce up? i have heard this term a lot, but not sure if i know what it is. i used to push down on the front of my r6 and then gas it to get it up, is that what bouncing up is? also haven't tried to clutch up wheelies yet any tips on getting started? thanks, jim

yes bouncing is making the forks compress and then gas it on the rebound... To clutch, best advice i could give is start small and as your confidence builds give it more gas. Basically rolling on 2nd gear at about 45-50mph pull the clutch in with one finger or two. NOT THE WHOLE HAND... rev the bike to about 7500-8000 rpm and let the clutch go. Not slowly .. Let it go swiftly ...the bike will jerk forward and the front wheel will come up. I say pull the clutch with one or 2 fingers cause you will need the rest of your hand to hold the clip on. The more confidence you get the higher you can rev it... On the r6 you MIGHT have to add a little tug on the bars

once you pop the clutch you keep rolling on the gas right?

correct! MODERATELY!!!!!!!!!!

The problem Im having is when I clutch 2nd,I cant get a consistant rpm when I let it out-should I look down at the speedo before I quickly let it out-or eyes forward???

Originally posted by Ozzy_R1_demon The problem Im having is when I clutch 2nd,I cant get a consistant rpm when I let it out-should I look down at the speedo before I quickly let it out-or eyes forward??? Try preloading your front forks by standing up first and pushing down on them hard. When they bottom out and start to rebound hit the gas. You will find that no clutch is needed and this will keep the RPM's more predictable. After practice bro you will be pulling up the front end in any gear with no clutch. Every gear has a sweet spot in the RPM range to do this. Your prob. like me, grew up on the pegs of a dirtbike and clutching up wheelies is how its done. But I have learned on the street its much easier to preload then clutch em up

Originally posted by The Woodman Try preloading your front forks by standing up first and pushing down on them hard. When they bottom out and start to rebound hit the gas. You will find that no clutch is needed and this will keep the RPM's more predictable. After practice bro you will be pulling up the front end in any gear with no clutch. Every gear has a sweet spot in the RPM range to do this. Your prob. like me, grew up on the pegs of a dirtbike and clutching up wheelies is how its done. But I have learned on the street its much easier to preload then clutch em up Thanks for the advise Woodman:thumbup Will give it a go and get back to ya, Cheers. :)

I am so scared of coming down and getting the wobbles. R1's don't exactly have the most stable front ends and I know a guy who lost his leg when he came down from a wheelie, wobbled and then got kicked off right in front of a road sign. CHOP. How effectively would a dampener keep the wobbles from happening upon landing?

Originally posted by hulk252 I am so scared of coming down and getting the wobbles. R1's don't exactly have the most stable front ends and I know a guy who lost his leg when he came down from a wheelie, wobbled and then got kicked off right in front of a road sign. CHOP. How effectively would a dampener keep the wobbles from happening upon landing? Dont do a high speed wheelie without a damper. Thats my rule. I swear before I got my damper if I set the front down crooked just a tiny bit it was scary. After the instal of a damper it has never happened again NEVER. It almost makes you sloppy cause you can get away with almost setting it down with the front wheel fully turned. You get one big smack but no headshake. cool video below Cable or DSL www.x-pozd.com/mr.woodman/HighSpeedWheelies.wmv Dial Up www.x-pozd.com/mr.woodman/HighSpeedWheelies1.wmv

what kind of settings do you use on your forks to be able to pre-load them like that, I just can't seem to get that to work. 2nd gear clutch wheelies are not a problem

it's all about timing, and once you get it, it will be easy everytime. the trick is to not try to pull up on the bars. go about 60-65 (with stock gearing), sit back about six inches in the seat, squeeze the tank with your knees, then shove down on the forks and grab a handful of gas and it will pull up no problem. if you are going to slow it won't work as easy. this is how to bounce up in sits, but it works the same for stand ups as well. hope this helps, jim

It's all about timing! I couldn't agree more. There's no need to change fork settings, just practice and get the timing right. 3 pieces of advice that may help you while you're first learning are: 1. Stand up when you bounce it. The front wheel will come up easier if you're standing. (Once the wheel is up you can sit or remain standing.....whichever you're comfortable with) 2. I agree with recon8541 100%.....don't try to pull up on the bars. It could throw your timing off, besides it's not needed. 3. When you bounce it as you push down and the forks are compressed as far as they're going to go, that's the time to give it gas. Not slowly or gradually. Give it a fist full of gas instantly. As you get better you'll be pulling them up with ease. You will eventually be pulling them up with only one small bounce. You don't even need to bounce it or clutch it to wheelie in 2nd. All you have to do (instead of bouncing) is lean forward to compress the forks and lean back while giving it gas. That will come with practice.

When I do a stand up in 2nd and I hit about 160km/h it starts to wobble how do you prevent that is it because I'm near the rev limit.

you are doing a power wheelie (same as i have been doing), you should have someone take a picture of you, you will most likely find you are not as high as you think you are (in a sit). i was doing 2nd gear wheelies and riding them about 200 yards or so before hitting my shift light (thought i was at the BP, but then has someone take a piture). start doing stand ups, that's what i am trying to learn, there is a reason everyone that can ride them for a long time is standing up (it's easier). good luck, jim i don't don't think the R1 is the easy bike to learn on, but you sure look good when you do get it!!!! :rock

On my ZX6R I could ride them pretty good. Nice balance point ... only problem if you have to adjust and it just happens to be slightly too much forget, it's coming down. Now on the R1, it's the exact opposite, I'm getting used to the power and the response input. I hit a few today, only one nice one adn even that wasn't at BP! I stopped doing wheelies for the most part but the fact that I can't do the stand-up as well on the R has me frustrated!

I admit it, the power is scary on one wheel initially.

OK guys i need MAJOR pointers i bought a 02 r1 not too long ago......and it has a sprocket kit on it and damper and such.......i've been trying to pull a stand up wheelie when i go out for a ride ......i only try in 2nd gear.........what do you guys recommend......? bounce........then what rpm would i have to be in and such and what mph?.......and it wont come up fast?.........i see bikes doing it like nothin......help me out guys....like step by step or so.......

I would use third gear, for the faster wheelies and bounce around 7 grand. My bike is bone stock other than an M4 exhust so your gearing my allow a lower RPM. Second gear winds up too fast for my taste. Also, I use the bounce method for third stand-ups, for sceond gear sit downs, just a quick blip.

Originally posted by Biker206Boy OK guys i need MAJOR pointers i bought a 02 r1 not too long ago......and it has a sprocket kit on it and damper and such.......i've been trying to pull a stand up wheelie when i go out for a ride ......i only try in 2nd gear.........what do you guys recommend......? bounce........then what rpm would i have to be in and such and what mph?.......and it wont come up fast?.........i see bikes doing it like nothin......help me out guys....like step by step or so....... :no Dont bounce em up in 2nd. They come up real quick even if u bounce just a little. Unless ur like 300 pounds. I am 175pounds and if I pre load 2nd gear stand ups its crazy quick when it comes up. Just stand up and hit the gas in the mid range punch, like 7 to 9000rpm. In 3rd and up I have to bounce tho. Just find that sweet spot in the mid range like I said and you can pull them up in every gear. They just get faster than hell when you start one over 130 in 4th and 5th so be careful. Oh 1 more thing them wheelies shake a bit on the landing so use that steering damper. here is a video I made with some of my buddies doing high speed stand ups DSL or Cable www.x-pozd.com/mr.woodman/HighSpeedWheelies.wmv Dial Up www.x-pozd.com/mr.woodman/HighSpeedWheelies1.wmv

the 02 R1 seems to like about 10:30-11:00 its up there do you let your rear tire down? i like 15-20 pounds also it made a world of difference when i switched to my left passenger peg better control better balence. always make sure you have a good feel for your back brake and yes cluthing is the only way to go.

hey guys thanks for all your advice.......i finally can pop sit down wheelies w/ ease in 1st and 2nd.....i cant seem to find a good balance point though .......i haven't tried standing up on 2nd yet but people say its easier then a sit down...im not totttaly sure how body posture is suppose to be like when your about launching the wheelie to the wheelie coming down....like if your suppose to sit down when the wheelie is coming down....?.any tips?..for the stand up........i found that 7-9 rpms in 2nd gear on the freeway works REAL good......later guys

AT FIRST WHEN LEARNING STAND UPS I WOULD LEAN OVER THE GAS TANK SO IF THE BIKE CAME UP TOO FAST OR WAS AN UNCOMFORTABLE LAUNCH FOR ANY REASON I COULD LET THE GAS GO AND BE CONFIDENT I WASNT FALLING BACK.

I finally got my stand-ups going yesterday for the first time. It's a wicked feeling! I love it. Just have a problem as the bike picks up more and more speed I get a big wobble from the back tire. Goes side to side a lot. I'm just glad I finally got it down. :jump

Well I came to this forun in need of help doing wheelies, all you guys guided me in the right track with perfect advice. THANK YOU now i have a new addiction, doing wheelies every str8 away i see. I learned in 1st gear, then 2nd gear clutch. 1st i was doing sitdowns power fast wheelies, now im busting standups a mile or so long. No rear pegs im using attack rearsets adjusted as far back as i can, i clutch it up at 30 and one it comes up it stops in the balance point and you can basically be steady on the throttle and you keep going and going and going, i tend to put weight on and off the pegs while i give throttle to put more wieght back. People trip out when they see a r-1 busting long ass wheelies, still not shifting gears though , 2nd gear is fine . here is a pic be safe guys n gals.