As some of you know, my pc crashed the other day. I decided it was time to buy a new one. So, I need to get the stuff off my old hard drives and put them on my new one. Problem is I don't know what the hell I'm doing, but I do know that the old hard drives are both scuzzy drives. Any help would be much appreciated. And remember, please explain this like you are talking to a kindergardener. :)

Need some more info.

Couple of quick questions:
1) Does your new system have SCSI, Serial ATA and/or, IDE?
2) Does your old system have a PCI SCSI card?

Originally posted by fast_guy99
Need some more info.

Couple of quick questions:
1) Does your new system have SCSI, Serial ATA and/or, IDE?
2) Does your old system have a PCI SCSI card?

New system is IDE.
No idea if the old one has a PCI SCSI card.

In your old system, trace the cables coming out the back of the hard drives. Does that cable go to the motherboard or a card that can be removed?

Both are plugged into the motherboard.

How big is the hard drive in the new system vs old system? If the old system has the drives attached to a PCI SCSI card, you are in luck and transfer should be fairly easy. Cough up some info bro.:fact

Nevermind, just read you post after replying. Ouch. SCSI motherboard. What sizes are the hard drives? This should make for an interesting project. You wouldn't know any linux by chance would you?? LOL

Old hard drives are both 3.98 gigs. New hard drive is 160 gigs.

You running XP on both (well, were running on the old one) machines? Is all the data you are trying to get in the "My Documents" folder or is there other stuff you need?

Old system is XP Pro. New system is XP Home. Just trying to get all my useless crap. Pics, MP3's, etc.

Do you know if the hard drive itself crashed or if Windblows took a shiot? Sorry for all the questions, just trying to get a grasp of which direction to take.

The more questions the better. What happened was I installed some new RAM sticks and apparently the wrong ones. When windows XP started up, it went to some weird menu and started deleting some files. Then, it rebooted and started up just fine but when it came time for the desktop to appear the screen just stayed black and the white arrow was the only thing there. So I think it's a problem with XP on the old system.

When you boot up the old machine, is there any menu that allows you to go to "safe mode"?

Safe mode did not work. The only thing that happened was the black screen with Safe Mode in all 4 corners. On top of the screen there was just Windows XP a bunch of numhers and letters Service Pack 1. That's it.

TAKE THEM BOTH TO BEST BUY AND PAY THEM 90 DOLLARS TO DO IT FOR YOU!

Originally posted by motopsyko32
TAKE THEM BOTH TO BEST BUY AND PAY THEM 90 DOLLARS TO DO IT FOR YOU!

I'm about too... LOL

Bummer. 1) Find someone with a PCI SCSI card. Set up in new system. Copy porn…ummm excuse me, mp3s to new IDE hard drive. That is one way to do it.
-OR- 2) set drives up in friends computer w/ SCSI support.

Yo Moto, easier said than done when you've actually got the $90 to spend. College guys don't have the luxury of expendable cash flow, hence why he's had a P2-266 for this long:lol

Okay, no safe mode. Bummer. You ain't makin' this easy are you? :finger Too bad I'm not in AZ, I'd pop a CD in and have it done in 5 minutes. Fjorn knows what I'm talking about.:rock

Can you network the two? Crossover cable if peer to peer or pass through if you have a hub/switch. Might be a way to get Ghost to work in our favor for once.

Be back in a bit bro. Gotta deliver a system that I built for someone. Hang tight. Hopefully Fjorn or Phosh will jump in here with some suggestions in the meantime.

Originally posted by 1700warrior
Fjorn knows what I'm talking about.:rock



I was actually on the phone with Shawn for about a half hour last night and I had him stumped... :lol

TAKE IT TO BEST BUY

Originally posted by motopsyko32
TAKE IT TO BEST BUY

Oh yeah and let the truly incompetent work on it??

:lol That’s like dealing with the jackasses that do tech support. And having to pay for it. :no

Sound like your system is pretty old. Remember to change the SCSI IDs on your drives if you set up in a different system.

Originally posted by fast_guy99
Sound like your system is pretty old. Remember to change the SCSI IDs on your drives if you set up in a different system.

Your talking Chinese to me man...... :lol

Ah crap, now its time to start a “SAVE ANUBIS PORN FUND”
$90. that’s all he needs. With your $5 donation you can keep rosie palmer and anubis happy.

Originally posted by fast_guy99
Ah crap, now its time to start a “SAVE ANUBIS PORN FUND”
$90. that’s all he needs. With your $5 donation you can keep rosie palmer and anubis happy.

ROTFLMAO!! :lol :lol

Just take the old hard drive out and put it in the new computer as a slave drive. Pull your porn of it and put it on the new hard drive.

You will have to change the jumper settings on the old hard drive from master to slave. You might have to change the jumper settings on the new hard drive from master only to master with slave. If it doesnt have a master with slave option then you probably don't need to touch it.

Originally posted by YZFR1Freak
Just take the old hard drive out and put it in the new computer as a slave drive. Pull your porn of it and put it on the new hard drive.

You will have to change the jumper settings on the old hard drive from master to slave. You might have to change the jumper settings on the new hard drive from master only to master with slave. If it doesnt have a master with slave option then you probably don't need to touch it.

Sounds like a good plan, now how the hell do I do that? :confused:

The problem is that the new system has IDE drives in it and the old system has SCSI drives in it. It would be like putting an R1 motor into a G1K.:2bitchsla Just wouldn't work.:lol

Ok ok, are you sure your drives are SCSI?
IF they are spinning up = GOOD data can be moved
If not spinning up or making a funny sound = BAD Hard drive failing

If so go to the store and buy a compatible SCSI card (return later for refund). 80 pin who knows, the same as the one on your motherboard. Install card in system. Let win2k or XP auto detect. If not install drivers. Then turn system off. Attach drive(s). boot. Your system will boot IDE drives first. Go to my computer, pull all needed data off old drive(s), and copy to new C drive. -OR- if your system was originally set up with two or more partitions, your can reinstall an OS on the active partition. But any info on that partition will be lost.

Originally posted by 1700warrior
The problem is that the new system has IDE drives in it and the old system has SCSI drives in it. It would be like putting an R1 motor into a G1K.:2bitchsla Just wouldn't work.:lol

Thank you, now I understand.... :lol

I also have Adobe Photoshop on my old hard drive that I would like back. :(

Originally posted by Anubis
Sounds like a good plan, now how the hell do I do that? :confused:

The first think you have to do is take the hard drive out of the old computer. Then look on it for the text that describes the jumper settings... Here is an example (not too good) http://www.daileyint.com/build/6cdrib.jpg The jumpers are between the audio out and IDE inteface. On this hard drive they read Cable Select, Slave, and master. Now remove the jumper from the Master position and put it in the Slave position.

Next, look at the hard drive in the new computer for its settings. If it has a "master with slave" jumper setting then put the jumper in that position otherwise don't touch it.

Now, plug the old hard drive in to the IDE line (might as well use the second plug on the same IDE line that goes to your new hard drive). Don't forget to plug in the power to the old hard drive too.

When you start up windows it should see the old hard drive. In the case that it doesn't you may have to go into administrative tools--> disk management to point to it.

Also, check out this website for more info... http://www.daileyint.com/build/ibuild6.htm

Originally posted by 1700warrior
The problem is that the new system has IDE drives in it and the old system has SCSI drives in it. It would be like putting an R1 motor into a G1K.:2bitchsla Just wouldn't work.:lol

oops... Forget that last post! :bash

Okay, just got home...

Here's the deal. Safe mode doesn't work, but we never tried safe mode command prompt and I don't recall if there's an option for that with network. If so, he can network them together and try and pull data across. Problem is, I'm no longer a windows junkie and all my DOS skills went out the door a few years ago.


And yeah, if I was down there I could have the data in almost no time.... :fact

Originally posted by fjorn
Problem is, I'm no longer a windows junkie and all my DOS skills went out the door a few years ago.


And yeah, if I was down there I could have the data in almost no time.... :fact

I feel ya bro on the former windows junkie:thumbup I've managed to retain some just from the systems I have to rescue.

And then comes Anubis.............who had to fvck things up by having two totally different systems:finger

Gimme a few, I'm thinking....:beer

C:\Documents and Settings\shawnf>ls
'ls' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.


:2bitchsla

:rant I hate DOS! :rant


Actually, I talked to Corey about the drives and if he's unable to get help down there he's going to ship them up to me and I'll extract the data for him. I've got a system I can plug them into an pull the data from. :thumbup

If win98 try booting safe mode with command prompt.
Type
Scanreg /restore

Originally posted by fast_guy99
If win98 try booting safe mode with command prompt.
Type
Scanreg /restore


It's WinXP Pro.

Hmmmm….was the system restore tools turned on?
It should have been on by default

Yes, we tried a restore and that was corrupted as well.

Corey, don't worry about Photoshop, i got a "trial" one i'll send ya.
There should be a safe mode with cmd prompt and networking, but it's a bitch to use.
If you can get to a dos prompt ihave a version of win xp that can be used to repair corrupted versions.
Do you have a cd drive that the motherboard recognizes as bootable?
If so gimmie your addy and i'll red label some goodies down to ya to help ya out.

Nope, his CD-Rom is scsi as well and isn't bootable. Tried that so he could do a restore with an XP Pro cd.

It's either boot into safe mode command prompt and do muckity-muck shit work there to get his data transferred, make a boot floppy so he can load drivers and repair the XP on his old system or yank drives and extract from another system.

I spent a couple hours on the phone with him over the past couple of days trying to correct it.

Out of ideas on restoring/repairing the OS…..still leaning towards using functional system to copy data off corrupt drives. Good luck I’m out.

Originally posted by Abe Froman
OK Here you go:


You need to know exactly what kind of SCSI drive/s you had in your computer. If they're internal drives and the computer is not extremely new, then they're probably just regular 50-pin SCSI-1 or SCSI-2 drives. Look at this webpage, it explaines everything with pictures of all the different types of connectors:

http://www.ahinc.com/scsi.htm



You can probably just buy this card, install it in another computer, and attach your old drives and away you go.

http://www.atacom.com/program/print_html_new.cgi?cart_id=6175537_63_254_48_58&Pagecode=1|CONS&Item_code=CONS_ADAP_WR_00&USER_ID=www
I gotta agree, and if they are old 50 pin type, you probably can't take it to Best nuy, they'll just look at them and laugh.
buying the card and installing them temporarily in the new system may be the easiest thing to do.
I still have PS for ya tho if ya need it. and studio mx, and ............

or you could buy a cheap bootable cd drive and do the repair thing that way..........
and then you may have two computers to play with!

Originally posted by R1Budha
I gotta agree, and if they are old 50 pin type, you probably can't take it to Best nuy, they'll just look at them and laugh.
buying the card and installing them temporarily in the new system may be the easiest thing to do.
I still have PS for ya tho if ya need it. and studio mx, and ............

Yep, it's 50 pin. I had him look and from the description, everything (HDD's and CD-Rom) are all SCSI 50 pin cabling.

I've got a system that I still use 50 pin SCSI drives in, and it's nothing for me to drop them in and extract data.

One thing to remember is that he's a college student, and can't spend a lot of money. The new system was probably more than he wanted to spend anyway. :dunno

Originally posted by R1Budha
or you could buy a cheap bootable cd drive and do the repair thing that way..........
and then you may have two computers to play with!


It's an old server chasis. I'm not sure, but from what I could see of pics, it didn't look like there were any IDE channels.

Originally posted by fjorn
It's an old server chasis. I'm not sure, but from what I could see of pics, it didn't look like there were any IDE channels.
time to send em your way then!!!
I wonder how many nekkid pictures of the olsen twins he photoshopped and saved on em.............

Originally posted by R1Budha
time to send em your way then!!!
I wonder how many nekkid pictures of the olsen twins he photoshopped and saved on em.............


:thumbup


I'll let ya know if I get 'em :crash

50 pin you say?? The hell you say!! I've got an Adaptec and a Compaq scsi card here in my drawer:lol Actually, I'll just let Fjorn take care of it. Would be much easier than trying to talk Cory through the install and setup of scsi:yesnod Oh and Fjorn, I've done the "ls" many a time in DOS:lol That's when you know you have crossed over to the dark side:fact

Originally posted by 1700warrior
50 pin you say?? The hell you say!! I've got an Adaptec and a Compaq scsi card here in my drawer:lol Actually, I'll just let Fjorn take care of it. Would be much easier than trying to talk Cory through the install and setup of scsi:yesnod Oh and Fjorn, I've done the "ls" many a time in DOS:lol That's when you know you have crossed over to the dark side:fact


Heck, I've got an old IDE cdrom that is a 30 pin cable I think. It's only about 1" wide on the connector. It's a single speed cd-rom too. :crash

Actually, I've got about 3 different SCSI cards here at home as well that are 50 pin internals. Two are SCSI-2 connectors, and one is a parallel scsi connector. That card goes to my 7-disc cd changers (have two of them that I can daisy chain together). BTW, did I mention that I have an internal IDE 4 disc changer in my firewall?

Oh yeah, and I've got a shitload of 72-pin memory sitting in a closet. I'm going to keep those away from Corey. :lol

Right now, I'm in the process of building my test server. It's going to be a P200, with 128MB ram in a full height tower. Add to that a RAID controller with as many 68-pin SCSI 4.3 GB HDD's as I can possibly fit in there. :thumbup Have any hardware you want to get rid of Budha? :p

BTW, I tend to look at it as "enlightenment" instead of crossing over to the dark side. :lol

Originally posted by Abe Froman
How is Fjorn going to take care of it? Try to salvage the OS?

Right now, Anubis only wants the data from it. He's not very computer savvy as he said in the beginning. So, I worked with him to try a number of things, but it didn't work. If he doesn't have someone who can help him out down there, then I'll just extract the data from his disks if he sends them to me. I have a system with a 50-pin SCSI card that runs Linux, so it's just a matter of plugging the drives in (and setting the id's of course) and pulling data. The other nice part about it running Linux is that you can do things to the WinXP files that Windows itself won't let you do if it's just a data drive that you didn't boot off of.

There's plenty of ways to restore the drives and the OS. His old system to me looks like it's an old server, and at that a very old Compaq. Although, I'm not very sure of the brand. That picture is a little fuzzy. I'll see if I can track down some of the pics. It really is an old beast....

The only problem with dropping another scsi drive into his old system to copy the data is that that additional drive costs big :dollar compared to an IDE. As far as how Fjorn or I would do it..........well that's confidential information:finger It's a linux thang.

Hey Fjorn, don't even get me started on old hardware that's laying around!!!:finger Want a box of 5 1/4" floppy drives??:crash Perhaps some 32 or 72 pin Simm memory? 512kb ISA video cards? SCSI 2x CDroms (Creative, Sony, and Panasonic drives and sound cards)? 240mb tape drive? ROFL I could go on for days...... I need to send this stuff to a museum or something:eek: :scared

Originally posted by Abe Froman
Actually as long as the SCSI connectors are the same, it shouldn't even matter what kind of SCSI card it is. I believe SCSI is entirely backwards-compatible, so even if the drives or the card aren't the same (for instance, the drives are SCSI-1 but the card is ultra-SCSI LVD, the drive should still work with it, if the connectors are the same----the transfer speed will simply revert to the lowest common demoninator, which is SCSI-1 on the first drive.)


If I'm not mistaken, you can't mix LVD and regular SCSI components. You can have them on separate controllers appropriate to the components, but not lvd to a SCSI1 or vice-versa. Electrical damage will occur due to voltage differences.

Originally posted by Abe Froman
That's almost exactly the same comp as my old one---a P200 with 96megs, I think. That's the one I had the SCSI PCI card in with a second SCSI HD. We loaded Red Hat on it one time and set up a CS server at my house. Unfortunately upload speed for my Time Warner cable modem is capped at 45KB, so it could only support about 8 players smoothly.


That's only going to be a test server for myself so I can hack apart kernels and stuff. I just upgraded my webserver from a P2-333/129MB ram to an Athlon 1GHz/ 768MB ram. :thumbup

I don't play CS, but I'm setting up an EF server for myself and a few friends that'll run on Slackware. :beer BTW, this is on a 640K/640K DSL line with multiple static ip's. :thumbup Can't wai to upgrade to the 1.5MB option. :rock

Originally posted by 1700warrior
Hey Fjorn, don't even get me started on old hardware that's laying around!!!:finger Want a box of 5 1/4" floppy drives??:crash Perhaps some 32 or 72 pin Simm memory? 512kb ISA video cards? SCSI 2x CDroms (Creative, Sony, and Panasonic drives and sound cards)? 240mb tape drive? ROFL I could go on for days...... I need to send this stuff to a museum or something:eek: :scared


:lol :lol

I hear ya man... What I listed was just the top of the barrel.... I've been cleaning out my basement, closet and anywhere else I've got old stuff laying around. I remember when 240MB tapes were the shit! :rock

Damn I miss my 7.44Mhz turbo speed system from years ago... It didn't even have the option of a HDD. :lol :lol 300baud modem and I could connect up to BB's and a little upstart company called Compuserve. :crash

I've got a Tandy 1000 sitting here in the corner if you want it Fjorn!! I've even got the Winchester 10mb external hard drive:rock Dual 5 1/4" floppy with 640k of RAM. It's a screamer!! I've also got a couple (a few actually...ROFL) Commodore 64s and 1541 floppy drives too.:lol :2bitchsla Oh damn, I better quite before everyone thinks I'm a real geek or something:p

I have the original Pong game console!! Bow before me!!!

:bow

Cool shot. I can tell that's old just by the tint of the photo. I used to work in photo labs (mini labs and custom labs) for about 10 years. I used to see reprints like that were interesting.

Haven't seen "dumb" terminals in quite a while.:lol Sad thing is, that's what the computer manufacturers are trying to get back to.

Okay damn it, I've been on this fvcking board all day!!! Sounds like Cory has it handled. I'm going the fvck to bed, for a little while anyway:lol

Originally posted by 1700warrior
Haven't seen "dumb" terminals in quite a while.:lol Sad thing is, that's what the computer manufacturers are trying to get back to.

My first IT gig was at a financial company, where I was an "operator" on an S-390 mainframe. The terminals we had there were cool. :thumbup

BTW, I've got 3 IBM 8361-100 thin client workstations that I'm going to be setting up here at home with the LTSP. I've got two other thin client workstations, but don't recall the model number from IBM on them. :thumbup They make for great "guest" user systems that can be placed in our guest bedroom or whereever.

One of my buddies is coming over this Sunday to try and fix it. If that doesn't work, I'll just send 'em up to Shawn.

Originally posted by Anubis
One of my buddies is coming over this Sunday to try and fix it. If that doesn't work, I'll just send 'em up to Shawn.

is it fixed yet?

Update:

Got the drives on Friday. Due to lack of time, didn't get much of a chance to work on it until last night.

Have both HDD's mounted in my Linux desktop, and right now I'm copying everything over ( #find . |cpio -pdumv /restoredirectory ) so I can get the info readable to Anubis. :thumbup

He'll be able to start pulling data by tomorrow at the latest. :thumbup

The HDD's were 68-pin SCSI. Formatted with NTFS. Thankfully, not in a RAID configuration either. Otherwise, it'd be a little more difficult to pull the data. But, not too difficult. ;)

He's got all the data he wants now. :D


Case closed. :thumbup