MTV TRUELIFE: I am a stunt rider... [Archive]

Grifter

08-13-2004, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by motopsyko32
From Drew Stone (Editor):

Last night we hit he streets of Orlando Florida as part of the MTV "True Life" segment we're directing. It was a very, very exciting evening.

Those who "Crushed It" above and beyond the call of duty;
Rick "Nasty" Payne
Brandon "Digidy" Ulrich
Duk
JC
Flip

And the big guns / O.G.'s;
Chris Nichols
Adam C.

I have much respect for these Two guys from TeamExtreme who when they heard we we're shooting in thier home town hit the streets with us and represented to the fullest. It was impressive. Respect.

Before anyone starts crying understand that the "Street" is just part of what is being represented in this 47 min. reality piece that we are doing. The other elements have "Nothing to do with riding the streets" so don't get your panties all bunched up. This piece is coming out VERY WELL so far and I feel real good about it.

More to follow

Dont forget to quote the more recent stuff, about how he is no longer involved, and cant deal with the so called stuffy mtv suits... because im sure he will have some bs post to keep all his sheep happy when a. it doesnt air. or b. it is a big pos/drama just like all the other episodes. For a guy that hates drama so much he sure knows how to cash in on it.

motopsyko32

08-13-2004, 10:11 AM

look who awakens from the dead. where are my pics foo! :lol

Grifter

08-13-2004, 10:39 AM

the dead ive been here.. pics..hmm.. of you one your raft?

motopsyko32

08-13-2004, 10:41 AM

wop

mxracer95

08-13-2004, 01:57 PM

According to Yahoo TV (time is Pacific Time):

True Life
MTVP Aug 19 10:00pm Add to My Calendar
Series/Documentary, 60 Mins.
"I Live to Ride"
Motorcycle crews perform dangerous stunts in hopes of becoming professional stunt-bike riders.

Original Airdate: August 19, 2004.

TwistedCylinder

08-18-2004, 11:13 AM

MTV is just a tool to get ignorant kids to vote for John John

But I'll still watch it. It'll probably end with, "my son was killed on a motorcycle (drunk on a cruiser) but a motorcycle none the less. It's the medias fault for making them seem so cool."

MTV's responce: "Hi, we're that media."

tmm403

08-19-2004, 08:06 PM

hey guys i just saw the mtv show i life to ride and it was pretty good. tony d is tough and turn his back on triple extreme. but i don't blame him b/c i would maybe do the same thing. a team is a team. alright got to watch it guys

R1PORNSTAR

08-19-2004, 08:21 PM

IT WAS GOOD MABEY PEOPLE WILL GET TO KNOW THE SPORT AND IT WILL GROW.

motopsyko32

08-19-2004, 08:36 PM

i hope so!

Grifter

08-19-2004, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by tmm403
hey guys i just saw the mtv show i life to ride and it was pretty good. tony d is tough and turn his back on triple extreme. but i don't blame him b/c i would maybe do the same thing. a team is a team. alright got to watch it guys

maybe you should explain the team is a team thing to him? I mean from the way they portrayed things.. he was the new guy he sat down and said okay ready set lets go do this my way.. or i will pout

Yamanator

08-19-2004, 09:47 PM

I thought it was a horrible potrayal... Too much drama. I knew MTV couldn't get by without making it like another episode of one of their so called reality shows. Very lame.

The drama made them look petty and it seemed to cheapen the competition. Instead of making it look at least a little proffessional, it just looked more like a couple guys goin out and playin around.

Since it was protrayed that way I thought Digidy was probably the best part of the show. He made no qualms about the fact that he was going out there to have fun. Riding wasn't competition for him it was the love of stunting.

My take.

TTLex

08-20-2004, 07:39 AM

Agreed, Digidy was the only one on the show that had his head straight in my opinion. He has the right attitude about why he's on the bike to begin with.
As far as the rest of those guys, I could care less what they can do on a bike, they made themselves rediculous.....ecspecially Tony D!

DWAYNE

08-20-2004, 07:53 AM

tony d is looking at it more as a business stand point and I didnt think he was wrong to try what he was trying to do. those guys go out there and risk their lives everytime dont you think they should get something in return do you think world champion racers only do it for the enjoyment of doing it no they make good money doing it. when they crash a bike or have to pay to enter a whole team in a show they have to get money somewhere to pay for that dont you think it would take some more people with a business mind to get in there and get stunting going on a level were they actually make money doing it. I met tony d and out of all the stunters I met he was the only one that was a decent guy. imho kyle woods kept trying him and he did what he had to do. if tony was so bad then the other triple extreem members wouldnt have followed him.

DWAYNE

08-20-2004, 07:59 AM

digidy is like the party version of stunting he probably partied all nite before the competion. but he seems to go out there and just have fun wich is a good thing too.

Grifter

08-20-2004, 08:10 AM

Ive met and workd for tony d, they almost all suffer dillusions of grandure, and love to make empty promise, or pay with hopes and dreams rather then cash.

while i have not paid to enter the stunt comps. i have entered paintball tourneys, which in the end cost are more then going to stuntwars... did i do it to become the next Rocky Cagnoni, hell no I just did it for the thrill of competing and to have teams worth competing against. Did I seek out sponsors... no becuase I had no merit, and with out real, recogonized venues for stunters neither do they.

Yamanator

08-20-2004, 08:13 AM

Tony had the right idea. If you concentrate on the mom and pop shops you'll get nowhere. They went to that store and got a couple tires and some old brake pads? He was right to chew him out about that. Problem is it made them all look ridiculous. If I were a sponsor watching the show I'd laugh and think the same way. No way I'd sponsor one of them. The sport isn't a "sport" yet. Its a couple of guys who can't even control themselves out there messing around.

I really wish they had made the show more about Digidy and his crew on the streets.

DWAYNE

08-20-2004, 08:20 AM

one day you will wake up and realize stunting is also a form of riding. kids these days (wich by the way mtv targets kids) want to see stunting I dont know a single kid that has ever asked me to go around a corner fast. as a matter of fact I have never had one person pull up next to me and ask "hey can you drag knee around that conrer" and you know what noone will ever ask that. people want to see stunting and wheelies and all that stuff so until you wake up and realize that is what people want to see then dont mock stunting.

R1Gladiator

08-20-2004, 08:24 AM

Originally posted by Abe Froman
Of all the shows they could have done about motorcyclists they have to do one about the armpit of the motorcycle world.....sportbike stunting......

Why couldn't it be MTV TrueLife: "I'm a Knee Dragger" with footage of riders with knees down, getting sideways on the gas and crossed-up on the brakes on public roads, or better yet, "I'm a Club Racer"

Instead they have to make a mockery of bikes by showing stunting. Great. Thanks but no thanks.
:thumbup
+1

Circus come to mind all they needed was a dancing bear:corn

jkrstich

08-20-2004, 10:25 AM

I think Dwayne and Abe both make some good points.

I for one was thoroughly disappointed by the portrayal of three guys who are all in the same boat. I love my bike, I can ride stunts, I don't care if I fall down, and I'm broke. There are so many different styles and kinds of riders out there. Like Abe said, street racers, canyon carvers, club racers, pro racers, and yes stunters.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as soon as FTP came out on video, and everyone say the Star Boys hanging a couple wheelies on the freeway and some mediocre stoppies down a side street, with a bunch of ****in' around mixed in, everyone wanted to ride wheelies. Some people realized very quickly how dangerous and foolish stunt riding on the streets can be. So some people toned it down, and others took it to a closed environment. Before you know it there are a dozen stunt videos in every motorcycle shop you go in now, people are trying to promote these huge events, and there are more stunt teams than you can shake a stick at.

There are a few people who have made decent money stunt riding for a living. But there just isn't enough interest to keep the sport alive. I compare stunt riding to Motocross Freestyle. If you have ever gone to a MXF show, it's boring after the first 10 minutes. You can only see so many supermans, knack-knack's, bar hops, whatever. Same with stunt riding, the tricks get boring after a while. I know that every once in a while someone steps it up for everyone else, and it's cool to see that happen, but that is not an every run occurrence.

When I hear someone say, "I'm going to make a living stunt riding", it just confuses me. There is no direct avenue to do this. Ok, I know there are stunt shows here and there that may grow every year, but it isn't going to last. You can only do so many circle wheelies before the public looses interest. Your real only audience is up and coming riders, which can be detrimental in a way, since these kids are emulating what they see in uncontrolled environments. I don't this to seem like a standard "what you are doing is destroying the children" kind of response. I just think that the majority of the sportbike scene of experienced riders isn’t interested in going to a stunt show. They would much rather spend their weekend at a track, riding their bikes the way they were designed to be ridden.

If someone can prove me wrong, and show me the longevity of Stunt Riding, I welcome it. If you really think that Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, or Kawasaki plan on coming out with a "Stunt Version" or one of their sport bikes, say with a 12 bar, short can, frame cage, and tall ass gearing, it isn't going to happen.

As Abe said, there just isn't the interest in it. I think that it has peaked and is on the decline. Admit it, as soon as MTV gets a hole of something held dearly by the underground, it's publicized and put to rest very quickly.

I should probably say that I enjoy riding stunts, but do not have the interest in it that I had a year ago. I got real tired of replacing tires, chain and sprockets, and every other part that gets destroyed by stunts. One thing that I always think about when I see someone one a stunted out bike, with MX bars, 12 bar, and frame cage is, that bike was not designed for that.......

Just some random thoughts

-JK

Yamanator

08-20-2004, 10:30 AM

Abe actually does bring up a good point (besides the bull riding thing... I've never seen anything more stupid in my life).

Stunting is to AMA and Moto GP what the Slam dunk contest is to the NBA. Sure its flashy, fun to watch and everyone wants to dunk/be the high flyin hero... But it don't pay the bills.

korrupt1

08-20-2004, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by jkrstich
I think Dwayne and Abe both make some good points.

I for one was thoroughly disappointed by the portrayal of three guys who are all in the same boat. I love my bike, I can ride stunts, I don't care if I fall down, and I'm broke. There are so many different styles and kinds of riders out there. Like Abe said, street racers, canyon carvers, club racers, pro racers, and yes stunters.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as soon as FTP came out on video, and everyone say the Star Boys hanging a couple wheelies on the freeway and some mediocre stoppies down a side street, with a bunch of ****in' around mixed in, everyone wanted to ride wheelies. Some people realized very quickly how dangerous and foolish stunt riding on the streets can be. So some people toned it down, and others took it to a closed environment. Before you know it there are a dozen stunt videos in every motorcycle shop you go in now, people are trying to promote these huge events, and there are more stunt teams than you can shake a stick at.

There are a few people who have made decent money stunt riding for a living. But there just isn't enough interest to keep the sport alive. I compare stunt riding to Motocross Freestyle. If you have ever gone to a MXF show, it's boring after the first 10 minutes. You can only see so many supermans, knack-knack's, bar hops, whatever. Same with stunt riding, the tricks get boring after a while. I know that every once in a while someone steps it up for everyone else, and it's cool to see that happen, but that is not an every run occurrence.

When I hear someone say, "I'm going to make a living stunt riding", it just confuses me. There is no direct avenue to do this. Ok, I know there are stunt shows here and there that may grow every year, but it isn't going to last. You can only do so many circle wheelies before the public looses interest. Your real only audience is up and coming riders, which can be detrimental in a way, since these kids are emulating what they see in uncontrolled environments. I don't this to seem like a standard "what you are doing is destroying the children" kind of response. I just think that the majority of the sportbike scene of experienced riders isn’t interested in going to a stunt show. They would much rather spend their weekend at a track, riding their bikes the way they were designed to be ridden.

If someone can prove me wrong, and show me the longevity of Stunt Riding, I welcome it. If you really think that Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, or Kawasaki plan on coming out with a "Stunt Version" or one of their sport bikes, say with a 12 bar, short can, frame cage, and tall ass gearing, it isn't going to happen.

As Abe said, there just isn't the interest in it. I think that it has peaked and is on the decline. Admit it, as soon as MTV gets a hole of something held dearly by the underground, it's publicized and put to rest very quickly.

I should probably say that I enjoy riding stunts, but do not have the interest in it that I had a year ago. I got real tired of replacing tires, chain and sprockets, and every other part that gets destroyed by stunts. One thing that I always think about when I see someone one a stunted out bike, with MX bars, 12 bar, and frame cage is, that bike was not designed for that.......

Just some random thoughts

-JK

I agree with every thing you just said here

I am not some great stunter and never will be

I can do A stoppie(not rolling or anything)and can barely ride a wheelie yet as Im learning still...but it really does confuse me too when someone says Im gonna make a living at it.

Its one thing to do as a hobby and have some fun.......its a whole didferent game to drive around the country and try to win some cash that only barelys covers any expenses along the way.

I mean ya gotta sleep in a hotel half of your life...cant really go out and really ride as you have to get to the next stunt show and then only maybe make some cash......and by the time you get to the next show.somebody has copied your previous whoa that is cool stunt.

and it does get boring and is terrible on your bike.

ya gotta upkeep your vehicle to get to the next show.fuel...clothes..tires....OIL.

and so many other things I cant even think of right now

just doesnt seem real smart...to me anyways

I thought Tony was right in the sense that he wanted big sponsors and have some equipment and etc...and the other guys shot him down becuase I do the fly by the seat of my brain sometimes and it works for some

sometimes its hard to say whats in your head.

the guy had atittude..I personally liked it. I understood where he was coming from.

my 2 cents

tmm403

08-20-2004, 11:33 AM

well look at freestyle motocross. those riders used the same tricks when jumping and it got boring except if your waiting for a crash but then came the front flip. now mostly all the riders can do a flip and now they are adding on the the flip as combos. what the street bike stunters need to do is make an awsome unique trick and go from there. i know mostly all them can do wheelies but do something thats almost impossible and maybe the stunt riding will get more popular b/c more people would want to see it.

DWAYNE

08-20-2004, 11:47 AM

I agree with you guys that stunting iss not a sport and will never be but I think it is to do with the people that stunt. You cant have pot heads all across the world working to get something big cause it will never work. Like I said earlier the people who stunt and the hardcore gansta roles they play is the reason the "side show" will never hit it big time. unless they get some kind of sponsors like hustler or something but no one else would want to be associated with guys going out and smoking pot then riding in competions. As far as motorcycle racing I would never watch it and never have watched it I find racing to be boring on tv I love to race but I dont have patience to sit and watch any race the only reason I would watch it is cause I like seeing the wrecks. Now if you pulled up how many americans watch motorcycle racing I am sure you would be very dissappointed. Maybe it might be bigger else where in the world but myself out of everyone I know who rides there is only one that even watches racing. As far as everything you guys said I do feel it is true but I also think if stunting had the right person to get in there and take control it could get big.

DWAYNE

08-20-2004, 11:50 AM

also our bikes arnt designed for the race track either. list everything you have to do to the bike to even bring it on to a track.

DWAYNE

08-20-2004, 11:52 AM

our bikes are designed to ride on the street. just like every other production vehicle made you have to customize a bike to bring it to a track. just like a car has to be customized far a track as well.

DWAYNE

08-20-2004, 11:52 AM

if not we would all be riding rossi's bike right now.

DWAYNE

08-20-2004, 12:13 PM

most race tracks you have change fluid in radiator and you have to have everything safty wired wich requires lots of drilling

DWAYNE

08-20-2004, 12:14 PM

most people dont race with stock tires either. but anyways you get my point a street bike is made for the street not made for a track

CBRADGO

08-20-2004, 12:51 PM

It was on again last night. Everyone knows what opinions are like, but IMO, I thought it was a pretty good piece. Too bad Tony D & Kyle split (old news I'm sure) but sh*t happens I guess. I feel like it could have been A LOT worse. Still haven't seen the street racer one but I can imagine it was pretty damning unless the Stone Bros. did it too...

And to me, racing or stunting is great. Some are good at one, both, or neither but it really doesn't matter, that's not why you get a bike originally. You like the sound, the look, the cool factor of two wheels. You saw Tom Cruise blasting down the runway in Top Gun when you were a kid, you watched Wayne Rainey or Schwantz win GP races. You dug Duhamel's Smokin' Joe's bike and crazy leathers. Maybe your buddy had a dirt bike and let you ride it, you busted your ass and smiled the whole time because he had never seen anyone jump that high. Regardless of what reason you chose to give yourself an excuse to get a bike, you have a bike. Ride it how you want, ride it whatever way makes you happiest. Media will always be media, and non-riders will never understand us until they become one of us... Until then, just crack the throttle and smile inside your helmet. You know what it's like on the other side...

DWAYNE

08-20-2004, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by Abe Froman
You are not required to have water wetter in the CRA at BIR as far as I know. You definitely don't have to for a trackday, nor must you safety wire anything for a trackday.

In any case, neither of these things affect the performance of the motorcycle in any way, they are merely preperatory things that the factories don't bother to do because most of them are ridden on the street, and it would add to the cost. If this is your definition of modified, then you must consider your car "modified" after you've wiped down the dash with armor all.

With regard to the tires-----no, most people don't race with street tires, but there's nothing in the rules preventing them from doing so. Besides, today's street tires are every bit as good as race tires from 10 years ago, probably more so in terms of outright grip. There are many guys that do trackdays with street tires, including me. Sportbike street tires are still designed with the sportbike's primary mission in mind, and you can extract a lot of performance out of them.

we can debate this all day long but I know you got my point so that is good enough for me. joe brown stunts basically an all stock 954 too. but you get my point.

roabs07

08-20-2004, 12:54 PM

some stunters have dealerships giving them bikes to ride in competitiions, darius, starboyz, the starboyz get 6 new bikes per year thats what scott told me last weekend at a comp i was at. everyone does what they want with there bike i used to do trackdays and go to the twisites on the weekend , i did the fast school but i got sick of doin it . whether you ride the twisties fast or you stunt in a parking lotthe only people whio understand why you do it are those who are doin it.. stunt riding has been around for a while and i dont think it will just disapear. im no pro stunter i go to comps but by no means do i expect it to pay the bills. but i do it for the love of riding . anyways i always see that kneedraggers think we make a bad name for them armpit of society as one of you said which is B.S. i kknow alot of guys that have great jobs familys and yet everynight or weekend they head to a spot and rid eso i wouldnt criticize stunt riding by a show or what you think because they has been more bad publicity on highways racers and kneedraggers than stunt riders .. ride your bike how you want and dont give a shiot what anyone else thinks cause if you do , well i guess you dont love it as much as some people do..

lata roabs

DWAYNE

08-20-2004, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by CBRADGO
It was on again last night. Everyone knows what opinions are like, but IMO, I thought it was a pretty good piece. Too bad Tony D & Kyle split (old news I'm sure) but sh*t happens I guess. I feel like it could have been A LOT worse. Still haven't seen the street racer one but I can imagine it was pretty damning unless the Stone Bros. did it too...

And to me, racing or stunting is great. Some are good at one, both, or neither but it really doesn't matter, that's not why you get a bike originally. You like the sound, the look, the cool factor of two wheels. You saw Tom Cruise blasting down the runway in Top Gun when you were a kid, you watched Wayne Rainey or Schwantz win GP races. You dug Duhamel's Smokin' Joe's bike and crazy leathers. Maybe your buddy had a dirt bike and let you ride it, you busted your ass and smiled the whole time because he had never seen anyone jump that high. Regardless of what reason you chose to give yourself an excuse to get a bike, you have a bike. Ride it how you, ride it whatever way makes you happiest. Media will always be media, and non-riders will never understand us until they become one of us... Until then, just crack the throttle and smile inside your helmet. You know what it's like on the other side...

truest words all day you need to write an article about street bikes then. very well done.

CBRADGO

08-20-2004, 02:15 PM

Thanks DWAYNE. I have considered it, believe it or not. I think I can write OK but when it comes to bikes, I go two levels up. It's easy to write about something you are passionate about and no joke, I'd give up all other recreations/hobbies if I had to choose. It's unexplainable how much my bike, my riding buddies, wrench time means to me...It's beyond cathartic...It's gotten me through more than I can remember.

As for the show, I hope they make more and I hope Stunt Riding becomes as big or bigger than Vans Triple Crown FMX/X Games type stuff. Those guys risk life and limb as much as stunters and road racers and get all kinds of GOOD coverage & publicity. Why do we only get SELECT races and 98% negative exposure? All major networks broadcast FMX, ESPN X Games most popular events are the Step Up and FMX, yet Speed Channel gives us TWT (1/2 of which is cruiser BS) and 2 hours of legit racing on Sunday. NASCAR gets the other 160 odd hours of airtime with minimal Formula One and Ricer Buildup BS thrown in. Where's the equality in that? How many times have you been stared at on your bike? Can't count that high can you? If you surveyed 1000 people I can almost bet the majority are intrigued by sportbikes. My dad never watched races until I got my bike, now he calls me on Sunday to ask if I watched the GP or AMA races (if they're lucky enough to get a time slot other than 2am). The potential is there, we are on the cusp of a breakthrough, but it seems to me we can't climb that last step for some reason.

Prophet

08-23-2004, 03:36 PM

...tony D wouldnt have been shit if it wasnt for darius and alex puttin' him on there team.. west coast baby!!:cool:

rdandy5875

08-23-2004, 08:10 PM

Damn Missed it.....

Time to dust off the ole' URBAN ASSAULT dvd ;)

roabs07

08-23-2004, 08:28 PM

http://stuntlife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87423&highlight=mtv

theres the link click on that then go to the link right click save as and enjoy

upur128

08-24-2004, 12:46 AM

:rock Sweet! Ive been waiting for this link to show up here!

motopsyko32

08-24-2004, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by Abe Froman
Obviously it can be proved that stunting is an activity done while on a motorcycle, hence it is riding. Stunters, unfortunately, have become enamored with useless grandstanding rather than actually learning to ride their bike the way it was meant to be ridden. People don't buy Porche GT2s and Viper GTS-Rs and McLaren F1s so they can do burnouts and brakestands.

people that buy Porche GT2s and Viper GTS-Rs and McLaren F1s dont go racing either. its just an extension of their penis. u dont see those at the track as amateur racing like bikes. Apples and oranges as always

motopsyko32

08-24-2004, 01:16 PM

rock and roll (in the 80's and 90's) wasnt music when it first started out. fools said it wouldnt last. same with grunge and all that other stuff. they all used to play dives in bars and small clubs accross no name cities. And it made it big time proving all the nay sayers wrong

roabs07

08-24-2004, 04:53 PM

some are still doin what they love and gettin paid for it.. its the american dream i thought....

thew blankstrom is sposored by sidi boots for doin his dumb stuff.. there are many stunters sponsored gettin free stuff and cash for doin what they did and would still do for free.. i dont understand why your so against stunt riderz.. btw how old are you abe ? if you dont mind answering lata roabs

danieltyper

08-24-2004, 07:03 PM

the show was alright

DWAYNE

08-24-2004, 07:10 PM

abe was best describe by moto a long time ago. he sounds like a "pregnant bitch with the munchies that has no car". :lol he thrives on debates he will debate about something just to debate he probably loves stunting he is just trying to debate about something. I bet he even has debates with himself staring in a mirror.

roabs07

08-24-2004, 07:50 PM

:iamwithst

this would seem so ...:lol

R1Gladiator

08-24-2004, 07:55 PM

someone post that debate team pic:lol

DWAYNE

08-25-2004, 07:46 AM

Originally posted by Abe Froman
You wanna take it to the track and debate there?

What's sad is that Moto makes up for his lack of riding skill by writing 10,000 posts at a motorcycle website.

are you callin me out abe :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :finger

what is even sadder is an internet tough guy that just runs his mouth all day on the internet but in person would run away like a little biatch. keep debating abe it is really getting you somewhere and I am sure it pays off to you somehow.

R1Gladiator

08-25-2004, 07:48 AM

yamahog

08-25-2004, 07:57 AM

Moto is out of town on business with limited Internet Access. He is helping restore power to the victims of Hurrican Charley.

DWAYNE

08-25-2004, 08:01 AM

Originally posted by Abe Froman
The internet tough guy? Is that what you call yourself? Who started flinging insults first? Why do I continue to argue with the mentally challenged? LOL

I knew you argued with yourself all the time. :finger :finger :finger :finger grow up abe you sure argue a whole lot over the internet that is real mature. <enter picture of retard getting award>

Magnus

08-25-2004, 08:04 AM

:corn

R1Gladiator

08-25-2004, 08:09 AM

:corn :beer

entertain me:corn

DWAYNE

08-25-2004, 08:11 AM

I am hitting the sidelines to I will wait for motos return. :beer :beer :corn :corn :corn my incompetent ass cant argue with someone of abe's statue. :lol :lol :lol :lol or should we call him albert rossi

Cookinman

08-25-2004, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by Abe Froman
You wanna take it to the track and debate there?

What's sad is that Moto makes up for his lack of riding skill by writing 10,000 posts at a motorcycle website.
Hey when was the last time you rode with moto there dickcheese...how would you now if this is a fact or are you talking out your Arse .......again.

lil R!

08-25-2004, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by DWAYNE
I agree with you guys that stunting iss not a sport and will never be but I think it is to do with the people that stunt. You cant have pot heads all across the world working to get something big cause it will never work. Like I said earlier the people who stunt and the hardcore gansta roles they play is the reason the "side show" will never hit it big time. unless they get some kind of sponsors like hustler or something but no one else would want to be associated with guys going out and smoking pot then riding in competions. As far as motorcycle racing I would never watch it and never have watched it I find racing to be boring on tv I love to race but I dont have patience to sit and watch any race the only reason I would watch it is cause I like seeing the wrecks. Now if you pulled up how many americans watch motorcycle racing I am sure you would be very dissappointed. Maybe it might be bigger else where in the world but myself out of everyone I know who rides there is only one that even watches racing. As far as everything you guys said I do feel it is true but I also think if stunting had the right person to get in there and take control it could get big.

wait and see, your whole perspective about riding is going to change when we are back...............

R1Gladiator

08-25-2004, 09:15 AM

I snapped this pic of Abe on the way to the track.

:lol

lil R!

08-25-2004, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by Abe Froman
You are not required to have water wetter in the CRA at BIR as far as I know. You definitely don't have to for a trackday, nor must you safety wire anything for a trackday.

In any case, neither of these things affect the performance of the motorcycle in any way, they are merely preperatory things that the factories don't bother to do because most of them are ridden on the street, and it would add to the cost. If this is your definition of modified, then you must consider your car "modified" after you've wiped down the dash with armor all.

With regard to the tires-----no, most people don't race with street tires, but there's nothing in the rules preventing them from doing so. Besides, today's street tires are every bit as good as race tires from 10 years ago, probably more so in terms of outright grip. There are many guys that do trackdays with street tires, including me. Sportbike street tires are still designed with the sportbike's primary mission in mind, and you can extract a lot of performance out of them.

1-AROUND HERE THEY WON"T LET YOU ON THE TRACK WITH ANTIFREEZE>........

2-DWAYNE IS A BITCH

3-IF YOU ARE GOING TO TRACK DAYS WITH STREET TIRES, i GUESS YOU ARE NOT THAT FAST YET....SO SUSH THE FUSH UP AND LET IT BE

4-MOTO IS A GREATER BIATCH THAN DWAYNE

5-I GOTTA GO TO BANK NOW

i specially like your "Sportbike's primary mission " comment.......in dead you are very serious raising aimless arguments over the net....right on...........

6-BAN MTV

lil R!

08-25-2004, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by Cookinman
Hey when was the last time you rode with moto there dickcheese...how would you now if this is a fact or are you talking out your Arse .......again.

it is indeed a fact, dickchese (what would that loook like??)(publix??)( I never seen that home)dickchese, look i gotta leave to go the bank, but you guys are holding me up

lil R!

08-25-2004, 09:27 AM

left

lil R!

08-25-2004, 09:28 AM

moto just called me, he said he is disconnecting abe's Internet subscription due to lack of respect

beafer

08-25-2004, 09:29 AM

why why why do you people continue to entertain yourselves with Abe's tirade?

R1Gladiator

08-25-2004, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by beafer
why why why do you people continue to entertain yourselves with Abe's tirade?

Because it beats watching TV:)

jk:lol

Yamanator

08-25-2004, 09:44 AM

I take it the average age on this forum is 16... Thanks for proving that...

R1Fanatic

08-25-2004, 09:53 AM

(getting ready to set myself on fire here..../gulp)

If you guys would get past your personal issues with abe, you'd see that what he's typing is correct. People have been performing motorcycle stunts for YEARS, and there's a very good reason that it's never become a "must see" event. I know a lot of stunters don't want to admit it, but there are only so many 'stunts' that can be performed on a motorcycle!
In terms of sponsorship; why pay XXX Stunt Team a six figure salary to perform a wheelie in a commercial, when you can find just about ANYONE with a bike that's willing to do it for free? :dunno The same can't be said about professional racing. There are only a handful of guys (if that many) who can ride a bike around a race track in under X.XX amount of time.... :fact

DWAYNE

08-25-2004, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by Yamanator
I take it the average age on this forum is 16... Thanks for proving that...

:confused:

bmaxracing

08-25-2004, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by R1Fanatic
(getting ready to set myself on fire here..../gulp)

If you guys would get past your personal issues with abe, you'd see that what he's typing is correct. People have been performing motorcycle stunts for YEARS, and there's a very good reason that it's never become a "must see" event. I know a lot of stunters don't want to admit it, but there are only so many 'stunts' that can be performed on a motorcycle!
In terms of sponsorship; why pay XXX Stunt Team a six figure salary to perform a wheelie in a commercial, when you can find just about ANYONE with a bike that's willing to do it for free? :dunno The same can't be said about professional racing. There are only a handful of guys (if that many) who can ride a bike around a race track in under X.XX amount of time.... :fact did you type that before or after you sucked Abe's c**k??

bmaxracing

08-25-2004, 11:08 AM

Abe is partly right...he just goes too far, as allways.

R1Gladiator

08-25-2004, 11:09 AM

me says this will be closed:)

R1Fanatic

08-25-2004, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by bmaxracing
did you type that before or after you sucked Abe's c**k??

*yawn* maturity is a good thing! :thumbup

BTW, check your PM's :fact

DWAYNE

08-25-2004, 11:12 AM

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

roabs07

08-25-2004, 11:30 AM

so much drama.. its almost as bad as a damn soap opera...

bmaxracing

08-25-2004, 12:10 PM

PM from R1Fanatic: "If you haven't done so already, I suggest you read the rules of this forum. Personal insults and attacks are strictly prohibited!
If you continue with such comments, you will face the possibility of being banned from this forum.

Thanks!

R1Fanatic"

PM threats??? :lol seems to me they'll have to ban a few people for personal insults...including your buddy Abe. Give me your paypal account# so i can send you some money so you can buy yourself a sense of humor.

Thanks!!

Bmaxracing

rdandy5875

08-25-2004, 12:38 PM

:corn

R1Gladiator

08-25-2004, 12:52 PM

Abe will not get banned. Why? because we keep him around for comic effect.

:lol

Besides I like him:cool:

DWAYNE

08-25-2004, 01:00 PM

I understand personal attacks thing but bmax was just sticking up for a very good friend moto. wich wasnt even here and he got attacked and I bet the attacker wasnt even warned about that.

DWAYNE

08-25-2004, 01:02 PM

in my best crying voice :cryin give him a warning and let him come back please. :cryin <end crying>

R1Gladiator

08-25-2004, 01:04 PM

Oh well looks like he got banned.

stick up for your friends sure..just dont call members dick suckers..bad than post PMs:iamwithst

DWAYNE

08-25-2004, 01:05 PM

yeah I understand that. it was uncalled for but friends are friends and down here we go to war for our friends you have to understand that.

roabs07

08-25-2004, 01:12 PM

:corn :beer

DWAYNE

08-25-2004, 01:14 PM

you know what I just realized that the co*k sucking comment was directed to sorry I didnt even notice earlier my bad

Cookinman

08-25-2004, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by lil R!
it is indeed a fact, dickchese (what would that loook like??)(publix??)( I never seen that home)dickchese, look i gotta leave to go the bank, but you guys are holding me up
It is seriously close to Fumunda cheese Lil....:lol :lol :lol

beafer

08-25-2004, 03:18 PM

O this is some bullshit. BMAX gets banned for his personal attack/insult
Originally posted by bmaxracing
did you type that before or after you sucked Abe's c**k??

and when abe types

Originally posted by Abe Froman
You wanna take it to the track and debate there?

What's sad is that Moto makes up for his lack of riding skill by writing 10,000 posts at a motorcycle website.

its ok? So what defines a personal attack then?

You know what i cant stand: non-stuntin kneedragging fagot ass bitches on this site. These are the same people who thinks all stunts are the same no matter what video they see it on.
I cant stunt OR drag knee but the way the kneedraggers hate on the stunters is not even funny. And to say stuntin is not going anywhere is bullshit. There is potential and who dont see it...well thats their problem.

R1Fanatic

08-25-2004, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by beafer

You know what i cant stand: non-stuntin kneedragging fagot ass bitches on this site.

:no

beafer

08-25-2004, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by R1Fanatic
:no

what?

R1Fanatic

08-25-2004, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by beafer
what?

It's ok to disagree with a differing opinion. However, that does not give you or anyone else the right to be disagreeable when expressing your own. i.e. calling people c*ck suckers and fag*ot a$$ bitches because they may say or type something that you don't like.
We are all adults here, and there is no need to bring discussions/debates down to an elementary school level.
It's not that difficult to understand fellas...

SPZ510

08-25-2004, 03:43 PM

To each thier own, why is that so hard to live by. There are alot of sucsessfull people out there that went against what was the obviously more sucsessfull route and went with their hearts and became a sucsess because they were happy, not nesessarily wealthy or famous. Good luck to all.

beafer

08-25-2004, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by R1Fanatic
It's ok to disagree with a differing opinion. However, that does not give you or anyone else the right to be disagreeable when expressing your own. i.e. calling people c*ck suckers and fag*ot a$$ bitches because they may say or type something that you don't like.
We are all adults here, and there is no need to bring discussions/debates down to an elementary school level.
It's not that difficult to understand fellas...

First and foremost, are you a mod?

Secondly, yes i understand having a discussion with disagreements but what Abe did was an ATTACK.

Thirdly, take out my derogatory name calling and look at the statement. Is that not what goes on here? I said what i said because i was fed up with the kneedraggers thinking that thats the only thing to do on a sportbike i.e. going to a track, knee drag, cutting down lap times, etc.

Aron213 ti

08-25-2004, 04:05 PM

Ill say this, Ive ridden with Moto and Dwayne, Dwayne can haul ass around some turns, and then come out to bust a stand up, I was impressed.

Moto can hold his own, but had the smarts to hang back with his girl when we started pushing it in the turns, mad respect for moto there.

What this all comes down to is a fight that my dad can beat up your dad, Abe got lost and ended up in the Stunter section, if you dont like Stunting stay out, simple as that, everyone has a way of riding, saying that ones way is better than anothers is childish, or is it jealousy that some cant stunt and feel they have to put it down?

187

08-25-2004, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by beafer
First and foremost, are you a mod?

Beaf, why the hell are you on here entertaining this.. We all know how we get down when it comes to bikes, experience, posting, discussions, cracking jaws... We'll see BMAX Friday all the same and the world will keep turning...

wonder140

08-25-2004, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by 187
Beaf, why the hell are you on here entertaining this.. We all know how we get down when it comes to bikes, experience, posting, discussions, cracking jaws... We'll see BMAX Friday all the same and the world will keep turning... to answer the question if R1Fanatic is a mod...yes he is...187...you know me....lets move on with this and all get along....everybody take a chill pill....its cool....thanks 187.....:hellobye :)

DWAYNE

08-25-2004, 05:23 PM

hey this has gone way to far we all know now that it is ok for one person to give personal attacks but it isnt ok for someone else to do it. abe will always be abe he is a debate team graduate and he is just trying to pursue his debating career on some forum lets just let it be guys. also if stunting is so bad then why does our forum leader have a picture of him up in a stand up on a street. end of discussion everyone stunts every now and then and noone can denie that.

by the way spidey I was not attacking you I was just using you as an example I am sure almost everyone here has a picture of them doing stunts somewhere down the line on a street. lets move on fellas this debate is done.

DWAYNE

08-25-2004, 05:26 PM

now with that said this site is great and everyone here is good people in some way or another. :thumbup

R1Fanatic

08-25-2004, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by DWAYNE
hey this has gone way to far we all know now that it is ok for one person to give personal attacks but it isnt ok for someone else to do it.

The facts are as follows,

1) This thread is (was) about the recent segment aired on MTV.

2) It turned into a discussion about said segment, and the profitability of stunting as a career.

*up until this point, the thread (debate) was going well and everyone was speaking their opinions freely.*

Now, it's obvious that a lot of people have issues with Abe, for whatever reason, but that's none of my business.

3) Abe (whom I don't even know) was called out by the following statement:

"abe was best describe by moto a long time ago. he sounds like a "pregnant bitch with the munchies that has no car". he thrives on debates he will debate about something just to debate he probably loves stunting he is just trying to debate about something. I bet he even has debates with himself staring in a mirror."

his reply,

"What's sad is that Moto makes up for his lack of riding skill by writing 10,000 posts at a motorcycle website."

Obviously there's a history between Moto and Abe (notice I said between MOTO and ABE), and I personally didn't view either of those comments as being 'attacks.'

Now that I think of it, Moto sent me an email this morning regarding a recent transaction between he and I, and HE'S OUT OF TOWN FOR THE NEXT TWO WEEKS!!! So why is his name even being dragged into this? :confused:
I can understand coming to the aid of a friend, but you shouldn't throw your friend out there in the first place! Dwayne, why are you fueling this fire?

DWAYNE

08-25-2004, 05:37 PM

I do agree with you but I was just simply saying a quote from moto to best describe abe. I am by no means adding fuel to a fire if you know what I have been through already about this stupid internet topic you would know that if anything I put out the damn fire. but I reffered to a quote that was said a long time ago and abe fired back as he always does in a attack. I can t count how many times abe has said in a debate that he is tired of debating with people with no intelligence and this is let happen all the time. but this site is a public board to talk about motorcycles this site is not a public board for abe to come and debate with people about every topic and this shouldnt allowed to be happening all the time. if anyone is adding fuel to a fire it is abe for trying to debate with everyone about everything. if this needs to be discussed any further I am available on pm and you and I can discuss this like grown men.