gun control

[KMac]

Originally Posted by Judah Ben-Hur

Just skimming over this post and reading bits and pieces here and there, I gotta say that the gay guy is winning on points.

Only on the point that gun violence is more prevalent in impoverished communities, but NOT on the point of why that is. Being poor is a common characteristic of a lot of people that commit gun crimes, it's not the "reason" they commit the crimes. There's not a high rate of teenage pregnancy in the poor community because they are poor, the rate is high due to some of the factors that also contribute to them being poor. Being "poor" is not the reason.

[gravitycollapse]

Originally Posted by KMac

Only on the point that gun violence is more prevalent in impoverished communities, but NOT on the point of why that is. Being poor is a common characteristic of a lot of people that commit gun crimes, it's not the "reason" they commit the crimes. There's not a high rate of teenage pregnancy in the poor community because they are poor, the rate is high due to some of the factors that also contribute to them being poor. Being "poor" is not the reason.

So your argument is that the connections are spurious. That's a reasonable position.

[KMac]

Originally Posted by gravitycollapse

Of course those are symptoms of yet more symptoms.

Poor education for instance happens because:

A. the community lacks financial wealth necessary to reinvest in local schools.

B. Low income communities are less likely to receive adequate funding from local, state and federal agencies. One reason for this is performance based funding allocation. Inner city schools historically perform more poorly than other regions. They are thus more likely to suffer less funding due to performance based funding allocation.

C. The positive feedback cycle allows for others in the community to view education in general as both ineffective and unnecessary. Which leads to less reinvestment and less support for the power of a proper education.

many, many years ago there were one room schoolhouses all across this country which ALL had almost no money, yet people still got decent educations. Money is an excuse, not a reason. Again, a common thread in all your arguments.

[gravitycollapse]

Originally Posted by KMac

many, many years ago there were one room schoolhouses all across this country which ALL had almost no money, yet people still got decent educations. Money is an excuse, not a reason. Again, a common thread in all your arguments.

Are you really prepared to argue that one room school houses in early America provided an education equivalent or superior to K-12 schools of the modern era?

[BeaverPuncher]

The funny thing about gun control with people that are liberal, pacifist and or just plain ignorant is that if a major catastrophe happen they would be the first ones screaming about protect me. In most arguements with liberals you cant just state the facts and move on with life. You have to beat them over the head with them until you fix the screw thats loose.

[KMac]

Originally Posted by gravitycollapse

Are you really prepared to argue that one room school houses in early America provided an education equivalent or superior to K-12 schools of the modern era?

Not at all, that's a wild leap that you have concocted. But I'm more than willing to argue that the education they received from a school with no money had much less (if any) disparity between the affluent and the poor as there is now, indicating money was not a factor in their education, but maybe attitudes, culture, personal responsibility and values ARE. But here we are again (still, actually): you insisting that the impoverished are not (or can not) be responsible for their situation, that it must be the fault of somebody else.

[racindego]

Gun violence is a culture propagated primarily by young, black males. That may hurt feelings but it is true. And no amount of socialist diarrhea is going to change that. Some overeducated, arrogant, self important, hippie liberal dick eater suggesting that he has all the answers is nauseatingly condescending. You can't save these people from themselves.

[gravitycollapse]

Originally Posted by KMac

Not at all, that's a wild leap that you have concocted. But I'm more than willing to argue that the education they received from a school with no money had much less (if any) disparity between the affluent and the poor as there is now, indicating money was not a factor in their education, but maybe attitudes, culture, personal responsibility and values ARE. But here we are again (still, actually): you insisting that the impoverished are not (or can not) be responsible for their situation, that it must be the fault of somebody else.

Well, I haven't really said that.

But let me put it this way. If you're born into a poor or dysfunctional family, are you personally responsible as a child for being subjected to malnourishment, physical or mental abuse, a lack of proper education or proper upbringing?

There comes a point when one must be willing to admit that there are many factors influencing citizens that are largely out of their control. That's not denying all personal responsibility. It's living in the real world.

[gravitycollapse]

Originally Posted by racindego

Gun violence is a culture propagated primarily by young, black males. That may hurt feelings but it is true. And no amount of socialist diarrhea is going to change that. Some overeducated, arrogant, self important, hippie liberal dick eater suggesting that he has all the answers is nauseatingly condescending. You can't save these people from themselves.

If you have nothing useful to contribute, your pointless personal attacks are unnecessarily distracting.

[Fikays]

Originally Posted by racindego

Gun violence is a culture propagated primarily by young, black males. That may hurt feelings but it is true. And no amount of socialist diarrhea is going to change that. Some overeducated, arrogant, self important, hippie liberal dick eater suggesting that he has all the answers is nauseatingly condescending. You can't save these people from themselves.

[KMac]

Originally Posted by gravitycollapse

If you have nothing useful to contribute, your pointless personal attacks are unnecessarily distracting.

What makes you think it wasn't useful?

[racindego]

Originally Posted by gravitycollapse

If you have nothing useful to contribute, your pointless personal attacks are unnecessarily distracting.

What I contributed was useful. I was the first person to point out the relationship between young, black males and gun violence. You just ignored it. Probably because you don't want to admit that you nor Karl Marx can fix the problem.

[Fikays]

Or distracting? Doesn't distract me any.

[gravitycollapse]

Originally Posted by racindego

What I contributed was useful. I was the first person to point out the relationship between young, black males and gun violence. You just ignored it. Probably because you don't want to admit that you nor Carl Marx can fix the problem.

Let me ask you, why do you think black males are so much more likely to be incarcerated than white males?

What do you think is the fundamental reason behind that fact?

[KMac]

Originally Posted by gravitycollapse

Let me ask you, why do you think black males are so much more likely to be incarcerated than white males?

What do you think is the fundamental reason behind that fact?

Oh lord, you are going to get hammered.

[racindego]

Originally Posted by gravitycollapse

Let me ask you, why do you think black males are so much more likely to be incarcerated than white males?

What do you think is the fundamental reason behind that fact?

Because they commit more crimes, retard.

[gravitycollapse]

Originally Posted by racindego

Because they commit more crimes, retard.

Okay, good. Now we're getting somewhere.

Now, why do you think black males are more likely to commit crime than white males?

[racindego]

Originally Posted by gravitycollapse

Okay, good. Now we're getting somewhere.

Now, why do you think black males are more likely to commit crime than white males?

Just cut the shit and post your bs stat about how more blacks live below the poverty line.

Yawn. It's funny how much smarter you think you are then me, and how wrong you are.

[gravitycollapse]

Originally Posted by racindego

Just cut the shit and post your bs stat about how more blacks live below the poverty line.

Yawn. It's funny how much smarter you think you are then me, and how wrong you are.

Please, just answer the question.

Why do you think black males are more likely to commit crime than white males?

[racindego]

Originally Posted by gravitycollapse

Please, just answer the question.

Why do you think black males are more likely to commit crime than white males?

Why don't you answer a question for me. Why is gun violence among poor black males so much higher then gun violence among poor white males?