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Old 11-02-2012, 07:25 PM   #4341
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Ya. I was hoping it should be sending different signal via different wires.


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Old 11-02-2012, 07:53 PM   #4342
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Well you need to look at the signals coming out of it....are there are only one pair of wires or two pair...
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Old 11-02-2012, 09:17 PM   #4343
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I highly doubt it. Here is why:

Both the F-T blipper and QS kill is designed to blip/kill when it sees a sensor input. The way it is currently setup it must see a down shit with no up shift and vice versa. So with normal sensors and normal shift pattern, it would have a pull sensor for up shifting and a push sensor for down shifts. In other words an up shift would would only produce a signal during an up shift, and a down shift would only produce a signal for a down shift.

With a sensor that produces the same signal in both direction every time, wold be asking the ECU to up shift AND down shift, which is not good.........

If you could find a sensor that would only sens a signal for up shifts on one wire and an open on a second wire, and on down shifts a signal and an open on one and signal on the other, then it could be done.
Some if not all of the strain gauge type sensors will register a different value for each direction. For example, a Cordona strain gauge will output an analog voltage based on strain, which works in both directions. So perhaps 2.5V at a nuetral position, 0v at shift down and 5v at shift up. This allows the detection of separate up shifts and down shifts on the same wire with the same sensor. Flashtune is not setup for this. That may be due to the only available terminals being digital inputs, not being able to handle analog signals. The only other option is to run two sensors, one for up shifts and one for downshifts.

I don't mean to talk too much trash, but I can't see the auto-blipper working too good with a static map like the quickshifter. Anyone that tracks their bike knows hard braking into a corner with downshifting really requires finesse on the clutch even with good rev match downshifting. I hope i'm wrong though. I hope the auto-blipper works great. One of my biggest complaints around the track is dealing with the shifting. Such a PITA.
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Old 11-02-2012, 09:57 PM   #4344
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There is a video in this thread where Chris@F-T was running it on the track. It seemed pretty smooth. I am not going to be running it, because basically any blipper is hard on the transmission (or at least so says the folk lore).

But yes in principle something like that 0-2.5-5V signal could work for both. It would probably take a relatively simple digitizer circuit to send the signals to the two different pins for the two signals... More time than I am willing to invest to something I would not use though...less I hit the lotto and can afford to rebuild the transmission every so often....
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Old 11-02-2012, 10:15 PM   #4345
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Been out of the loop, what map is everyone using for the '12?


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Old 11-02-2012, 11:08 PM   #4346
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Some if not all of the strain gauge type sensors will register a different value for each direction. For example, a Cordona strain gauge will output an analog voltage based on strain, which works in both directions. So perhaps 2.5V at a nuetral position, 0v at shift down and 5v at shift up. This allows the detection of separate up shifts and down shifts on the same wire with the same sensor. Flashtune is not setup for this. That may be due to the only available terminals being digital inputs, not being able to handle analog signals. The only other option is to run two sensors, one for up shifts and one for downshifts.

I don't mean to talk too much trash, but I can't see the auto-blipper working too good with a static map like the quickshifter. Anyone that tracks their bike knows hard braking into a corner with downshifting really requires finesse on the clutch even with good rev match downshifting. I hope i'm wrong though. I hope the auto-blipper works great. One of my biggest complaints around the track is dealing with the shifting. Such a PITA.
Hahahahah I agree. I do my own Blipping on track but have never tried an auto blipper so if with existing hardware it can be done, I wouldn't mind trying it.

But I would want to wire the shifter thru ecu for the upshifts tho, but haven't had the time to research it. Cos currently it's just setting 1 single kill time. Thru ecu there is a table for killtime vs rpm which would be great.


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Old 11-02-2012, 11:09 PM   #4347
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Well. A few of us are exchanging maps to tryout hahaha. R1Evolution is versed in this area and gives pretty sound opinions and experiences.




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Old 11-03-2012, 02:28 AM   #4348
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Under rain and on the way to the dyno, excited as hell !!
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Old 11-03-2012, 06:14 AM   #4349
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Under rain and on the way to the dyno, excited as hell !!
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Old 11-03-2012, 09:20 AM   #4351
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oh crap come on...lol im dying here..
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so, on the first picture.. is your map vc my mapa.. your's gained all the way till 11.000 rpm..

the second.. is your map, vs your map.. but i couln't reproduce the same result.. don't know why..

on the 3.. is the afr, the agr that produced the best result, and the afr that i have now... tryed to add and take some fuel.. bue the result was the same.. and don't have the HO number, but gained about 7/8 from 6500 rpm to 11.000
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so, on the first picture.. is your map vc my mapa.. your's gained all the way till 11.000 rpm..

the second.. is your map, vs your map.. but i couln't reproduce the same result.. don't know why..

on the 3.. is the afr, the agr that produced the best result, and the afr that i have now... tryed to add and take some fuel.. bue the result was the same.. and don't have the HO number, but gained about 7/8 from 6500 rpm to 11.000
why does everyone live on the other side of the world... lol would like to hear what you think not read it.
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easy.. do you use voip? vyber?
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Old 11-03-2012, 09:49 AM   #4358
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Hi, n4s could you put some dyno numbers and which map (name). Is it the latest fast throttle map from r1evo which base on the Marider/Lax map?


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R1evo. as you see this dyno curve depression around 6500RPM is much smaller GREAT!!!!!!!! and exactly as you said.

The dyno numbers are WRONG!!!!!! for sure but it is not that important as far as we have two curves for comparison.

All should be offset more or less around 700-900RPM and max Power should be around 12880RPM

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Old 11-03-2012, 09:50 AM   #4359
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easy.. do you use voip? vyber?
i have skype.. i dont have a iphone


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if everyone get that we can have a conference call and its free.
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Hi, n4s could you put some dyno numbers and which map (name). Is it the latest fast throttle map from r1evo which base on the Marider/Lax map?


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R1evo. as you see this dyno curve depression around 6500RPM is much smaller GREAT!!!!!!!! and exactly as you said.

The dyno numbers are WRONG!!!!!! for sure but it is not that important as far as we have two curves for comparison.

All should be offset more or less around 700-900RPM and max Power should be around 12880RPM
i just got off skype with him. he told me that will post up what is what later he had to go, but i know and im happy. my Mapping made more torque and hp and im already working on the next map.
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