What kind of power does the Graves Monster R1 make?

[bacchus40]

Originally Posted by Aron213 ti

actually, in motor design, the hotter the cylinder temps get, the more power you make up till you start to melt things, then it becomes bad, what you want is colder air, cold air is dense air, the more air you can get into a motor, the more power you make.

yes, i agree.. all i meant is the crossplane runs hot... needs better RAD to get the most performance out of it...

[bacchus40]

Originally Posted by Cerbyr1

i only just had head work done to my r1 and have gained about 10bhp but the biggest improvement is in how much faster the bike revs (so even with similar power it develops it over a shorter period of time) but also a really good dyno tuno. with the new tune the biggest difference isnt the top end but, how early and hard i can twist the throttle out of the corners. the increased pick up off 0 throttle is staggering compared to stock.

great to hear.! i'm looking to have some work done in a year or so.. after i've put some real miles on the stock engine... i was hoping i'd be looking at 170ish rwhp... currently at 161hp with just a flash and custom tune.. though i'm running conservatively, keep reliability high for many years to come..

[SpidermanSS]

There is soooooooooo many variables that go into building an engine, mainly who’s building it and there REAL experience in working with the parts. We offer such services (engine builds, full turnkey superbikes, Daytona sportbikes etc) and we know they aren't cheap. The level of meticulous detail and time we put into things is astonishing. Reference the original question it cannot be answered but there are transparent things we offer that can make real world horsepower... We ( Graves Motorsports ) offer some great products and how those products can be used in the real world are what we specialize in. I always tend to shy away from threads requesting specific things as they tend to turn into "prove it" user ego boosting posts that go nowhere. Gains in power also need to be translated into the power under the curve (top number) a lot of time. Fat midrange when and where you need it is usually what you really want. So here is some general information that is extremely informative. - Shane

These links will be for the 09-13 R1... See our site for specific parts for other year bikes. http://www.gravesport.com/R1-2009-2010.html

Our exhaust systems will show dyno charts with the exception of the non-street Superbike version. The tubing sizing and modifications needed to mount it make it not acceptable for a street bike. A full dual can (under tail) Graves exhaust system will reward you 11-13 HP gains over stock when tuned with a proper devise (we recommend a power commander PC5, secondary fuel model and an auto tuner from dynojet).

http://www.gravesport.com/Dynojet-Ya...PC5-09-10.html
http://www.gravesport.com/Dynojet-Au...mmander-V.html
http://www.gravesport.com/Power-Comm...ule-R1-R6.html

Our intake and exhaust camshaft set shows consistent gains additionally of 5-7 hp .. http://www.gravesport.com/Graves-Mot...Set-09-10.html
Exhaust Systems. Here is a side note of knowledge: Add a kit ecu (not for the street, our top and bottom velocity stacks and the superbike exhaust and set up to 25 hp gains.

Our heads are built to order http://www.gravesport.com/Graves-Mot...-R1-Heads.html combined with the 25 hp gain setup above and appropriate higher compression gaskets there should be an additional 10 hp found for 35 hp gains.


Other products you will need.... Smog blog off plates, higher bar radiator cap, possibly better plugs, our works clutch fix kits and springs..

http://www.gravesport.com/Graves-Mot...ort-Bikes.html
http://www.gravesport.com/Works-Bar-Radiator-Cap.html
http://www.gravesport.com/YEC-Yamaha...-Plug-Set.html
http://www.gravesport.com/Graves-Mot...lutch-Kit.html
http://www.gravesport.com/Yamaha-R1-...h-Springs.html


Lastly I'll touch on the cooling system... With big power comes greater cooling responsibilities so be sure to address these things through radiator mods and other methods... If you race our WORKS programs contain bodywork sets that have improved flow air tubes.

[Aron213 ti]

Originally Posted by SpidermanSS

Fat midrange .

Sounds like you're describing Frank

[CupraR1]

190 bhp top poss 180/185 at the wheel

[burn-z]

Originally Posted by CupraR1

190 bhp top poss 180/185 at the wheel

I was told from a reliable first hand source mid 180's at the rear wheel...184-186hp on a good day.

[CupraR1]

Originally Posted by burn-z

I was told from a reliable first hand source mid 180's at the rear wheel...184-186hp on a good day.

if you read it thats what I said??

[burn-z]

Originally Posted by CupraR1

if you read it thats what I said??

That's exactly what I said. I was agreeing with you.

[CupraR1]

It was the lol

[CupraR1]

Originally Posted by SpidermanSS

There is soooooooooo many variables that go into building an engine, mainly who’s building it and there REAL experience in working with the parts. We offer such services (engine builds, full turnkey superbikes, Daytona sportbikes etc) and we know they aren't cheap. The level of meticulous detail and time we put into things is astonishing. Reference the original question it cannot be answered but there are transparent things we offer that can make real world horsepower... We ( Graves Motorsports ) offer some great products and how those products can be used in the real world are what we specialize in. I always tend to shy away from threads requesting specific things as they tend to turn into "prove it" user ego boosting posts that go nowhere. Gains in power also need to be translated into the power under the curve (top number) a lot of time. Fat midrange when and where you need it is usually what you really want. So here is some general information that is extremely informative. - Shane

These links will be for the 09-13 R1... See our site for specific parts for other year bikes. http://www.gravesport.com/R1-2009-2010.html

Our exhaust systems will show dyno charts with the exception of the non-street Superbike version. The tubing sizing and modifications needed to mount it make it not acceptable for a street bike. A full dual can (under tail) Graves exhaust system will reward you 11-13 HP gains over stock when tuned with a proper devise (we recommend a power commander PC5, secondary fuel model and an auto tuner from dynojet).

http://www.gravesport.com/Dynojet-Ya...PC5-09-10.html
http://www.gravesport.com/Dynojet-Au...mmander-V.html
http://www.gravesport.com/Power-Comm...ule-R1-R6.html

Our intake and exhaust camshaft set shows consistent gains additionally of 5-7 hp .. http://www.gravesport.com/Graves-Mot...Set-09-10.html
Exhaust Systems. Here is a side note of knowledge: Add a kit ecu (not for the street, our top and bottom velocity stacks and the superbike exhaust and set up to 25 hp gains.

Our heads are built to order http://www.gravesport.com/Graves-Mot...-R1-Heads.html combined with the 25 hp gain setup above and appropriate higher compression gaskets there should be an additional 10 hp found for 35 hp gains.


Other products you will need.... Smog blog off plates, higher bar radiator cap, possibly better plugs, our works clutch fix kits and springs..

http://www.gravesport.com/Graves-Mot...ort-Bikes.html
http://www.gravesport.com/Works-Bar-Radiator-Cap.html
http://www.gravesport.com/YEC-Yamaha...-Plug-Set.html
http://www.gravesport.com/Graves-Mot...lutch-Kit.html
http://www.gravesport.com/Yamaha-R1-...h-Springs.html


Lastly I'll touch on the cooling system... With big power comes greater cooling responsibilities so be sure to address these things through radiator mods and other methods... If you race our WORKS programs contain bodywork sets that have improved flow air tubes.

So 195+bhp is achievable from these engines?? With bolt on goodies

[SpidermanSS]

Please read what was posted it's accurate... The R1 most of the time baselines at 145... I don't think heads, gaskets or modding radiators defines "bolt on" hardware... but to some people it might..



Good luck with your project...

[CupraR1]

Originally Posted by SpidermanSS

Please read what was posted it's accurate... The R1 most of the time baselines at 145... I don't think heads, gaskets or modding radiators defines "bolt on" hardware... but to some people it might..



Good luck with your project...

Hi. Not being arsey but genuinely would like to know? My meaning of bolt on means exactly as it says “bolt on” does not needs skimming/machining etc. it just bolts on and this would deliver 145 baseline + 35 180 bhp at the wheel?

Steve

PS project going well

[burn-z]

Originally Posted by CupraR1

Hi. Not being arsey but genuinely would like to know? My meaning of bolt on means exactly as it says “bolt on” does not needs skimming/machining etc. it just bolts on and this would deliver 145 baseline + 35 180 bhp at the wheel?

Steve

PS project going well

185 at wheel with a full sbk engine build and $50k in electronics. You'll also need a full time guy to interpret data and program electronics.

I have a $3400 Akra Evo kit exhaust, PCV, block offs, Jett Tuning flashed ecu, airbox mod and bmc filter and I'm getting 157 peak hp. Stacks probably wouldn't help much without necessary head work and race rad. I'd say 160 is about max for bolt on mods. I'd love to get my bike dyno'd on one of those dynos people are claiming they got 165-170 with some slip-ons and a fuel controller. I'd probably be pulling 180-185 myself then.

[Meister37]

Originally Posted by Aron213 ti

Sounds like you're describing Frank

Barrel chested Freedom fighter midrange.

[Meister37]

Originally Posted by CupraR1

Hi. Not being arsey but genuinely would like to know? My meaning of bolt on means exactly as it says “bolt on” does not needs skimming/machining etc. it just bolts on and this would deliver 145 baseline + 35 180 bhp at the wheel?

Steve

PS project going well

It's just a number. Think of it this way: If I tell you my truck will do 200 MPH, will it impress you? Yes. What I'm not telling you is that I have to drop it out of a C130 to get it to go that fast. Like shane said, useable HP is far more important than a peaky 2 stroke like top end hit. If that's what you like, the 08 might be what you want. Many here have been on the track with me on my 08 and know it's stupid fast on the straights but needs to be in the right spot in the power band to beat the current model out of the corners without spinning the rear tire up too badly. It's all subjective.

Originally Posted by burn-z

185 at wheel with a full sbk engine build and $50k in electronics. You'll also need a full time guy to interpret data and program electronics.

I have a $3400 Akra Evo kit exhaust, PCV, block offs, Jett Tuning flashed ecu, airbox mod and bmc filter and I'm getting 157 peak hp. Stacks probably wouldn't help much without necessary head work and race rad. I'd say 160 is about max for bolt on mods. I'd love to get my bike dyno'd on one of those dynos people are claiming they got 165-170 with some slip-ons and a fuel controller. I'd probably be pulling 180-185 myself then.

I've seen too many happy dyno numbers in my time. There was one guy in Georgia who dropped the weight of his drum to make customers happy.

You can only go so far before it's money down the drain with very little $ to HP gain. You may have to stack 10k and some reliability to get the last 7 HP available in the motor with the stock bore. I'm willing to bet Graves only gets 3-4 races out of a motor before they freshen it up. That monster (Pun Intended) midrange requires and expert hand or electronics to tame it. HP is capable of two things, making you go super fast down the straights, or setting you on your head. How much time do you really spend at 100% throttle on the track? Not nearly as much as you think.

[Oz_R1]

Originally Posted by bacchus40

yes, i agree.. all i meant is the crossplane runs hot... needs better RAD to get the most performance out of it...

Properly ducted race fairings will do wonders before touching the plumbing

[bacchus40]

Originally Posted by burn-z

185 at wheel with a full sbk engine build and $50k in electronics. You'll also need a full time guy to interpret data and program electronics.

I have a $3400 Akra Evo kit exhaust, PCV, block offs, Jett Tuning flashed ecu, airbox mod and bmc filter and I'm getting 157 peak hp. Stacks probably wouldn't help much without necessary head work and race rad. I'd say 160 is about max for bolt on mods. I'd love to get my bike dyno'd on one of those dynos people are claiming they got 165-170 with some slip-ons and a fuel controller. I'd probably be pulling 180-185 myself then.

missed the followup on this thread... yes I gotta agree somewhat with you Chris, Nels got me 158.5rwhp with just LV 3/4 system, pcV, smog plates, Ecunleashed, stock air box, stock air filter..
so after the air box is done and auto-tune cleans it all up i'm looking at ~160rwhp

the thing is when you see huge numbers you gotta wonder if this is at the upper range of performance from said engine...
Nels backed off 5% from what I could have had... because my bike is a street bike, and demands reliability when touring...

[TheForumGay]

I will be running mine on the Dyno here in the next few weeks, and im not ashamed to post up low numbers if they are.

so far my bike was on a trailer dyno at a local bike night a few months ago and with a race filter, leo 3/4 exhaust, flash tune (restrictions removed) and some 93 octane it made 147rwhp. On the same dyno a brand new panigale made 154rwhp, and a 2012 s100rr made 164rwhp.

now ive switched to a graves low mount system, added a bazzaz ZFI and auto tuner, and here in the next few day ill be adding the radiator add-on. than Ill dyno it again and see how she does. today I took the bike out and uses the bazzaz to tune, and my a/f was way off from the flash tune. the auto tuner wanted to add almost 20% in some spots, and take 20% in others. im curious what gains ill get with the new bazzaz and low mount system.

either way, so far its put down 147 wheel HP, and hurt egos at long straights in Daytona on the banking and the 1/4mi straight at my local track, so I cant complain

[OptimoPrime]

I have 3/4 exhaust, pcv, flash tune, air box mod, stock filter and I make 165 by very reputable tuner I have pic of Dyno sheet but I'm in car on my way back from daytona
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