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11-15-2012, 03:52 PM
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Ron Paul 2012
Join Date: Sep 2004
Bikes: 05 Black R1
Location: Tampa Bay
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7.62x39mm in AR FTW! <3 my bushy!
But really, I would love a 6.8 but I don't even have enough time to shoot what I do have!
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11-15-2012, 03:55 PM
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#3462
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The Lead Farmer
Join Date: Sep 2008
Bikes: 08 Raven R1, 97 F3, 94 VMax, 65 CA95, CRF80F, CRF70F, Cannondale F7, your mom.
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Originally Posted by WarMachine
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Pretty cool. Be nice as a backup.
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11-15-2012, 04:24 PM
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#3463
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Frosty runs are the best
Join Date: Sep 2007
Bikes: Want a new bike
Location: Nashville,Tn
Posts: 18,236
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Oh gotcha . I learned something new today.
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11-15-2012, 05:55 PM
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SuperModerateur
Join Date: Apr 2005
Bikes: 1980 Huffy Santa Fe
Location: Huntsvegas
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Originally Posted by Meister37
The 40sw is a compromise round, it's caliber and weight is between the 9mm and the 45 ACP. It's faster than the 45 but slower than the 9mm. It isn't fast, nor is it heavy so it does neither job well.
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It's a shorty 10mm. 10mm = awesome. 40S&W= mehhhh. .40 is a mirror of everything we do now: Give me mediocrity or give me death!
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11-15-2012, 06:03 PM
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Frosty runs are the best
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Originally Posted by KMac
It's a shorty 10mm. 10mm = awesome. 40S&W= mehhhh. .40 is a mirror of everything we do now: Give me mediocrity or give me death!
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Now I have to go throw away my block after that comment 
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11-15-2012, 06:10 PM
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SuperModerateur
Join Date: Apr 2005
Bikes: 1980 Huffy Santa Fe
Location: Huntsvegas
Posts: 41,960
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let's not be rash...
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11-15-2012, 06:18 PM
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#3467
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Frosty runs are the best
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*Glock
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11-15-2012, 06:27 PM
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SuperModerateur
Join Date: Apr 2005
Bikes: 1980 Huffy Santa Fe
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Originally Posted by BeaverPuncher
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I've got a Beretta .40, I'm damn sure not throwing it away. I don't get hung up on the 9mm vs .45 vs .40 debates anyways. I believe in putting one shot between the eyes, not shooting somebody 8 times in the body and hoping the magazine articles were all correct.
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11-15-2012, 06:29 PM
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Frosty runs are the best
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Shoot them in the pinky toe first then you'll have a moving target to fine tune your aim.
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11-15-2012, 06:33 PM
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INSTIGATOR EXTRAORDINAIRE
Join Date: Apr 2009
Bikes: 2003 R1 SPECIAL EDITION
Location: Pflugerville, TEXAS
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KMac
I've got a Beretta .40, I'm damn sure not throwing it away. I don't get hung up on the 9mm vs .45 vs .40 debates anyways. I believe in putting one shot between the eyes, not shooting somebody 8 times in the body and hoping the magazine articles were all correct.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BeaverPuncher
Shoot them in the pinky toe first then you'll have a moving target to fine tune your aim.
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11-15-2012, 06:41 PM
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The Lead Farmer
Join Date: Sep 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KMac
It's a shorty 10mm. 10mm = awesome. 40S&W= mehhhh. .40 is a mirror of everything we do now: Give me mediocrity or give me death!
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Pretty much, I remember when the Feebs switched to the 40 because they were using 147g 9mm's instead of good ammo. The ballistics sucked so they dropped the 9mm and the 40 was born.
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Originally Posted by KMac
I've got a Beretta .40, I'm damn sure not throwing it away. I don't get hung up on the 9mm vs .45 vs .40 debates anyways. I believe in putting one shot between the eyes, not shooting somebody 8 times in the body and hoping the magazine articles were all correct.
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10 Monster Muncher. When you shoot someone or something with it, they stay shot.
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11-15-2012, 06:59 PM
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INSTIGATOR EXTRAORDINAIRE
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Isn't the 10mm still somewhat of a specialty round or rather not widely produced?
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11-15-2012, 07:20 PM
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The Lead Farmer
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It's still fringe, but it's easy to find components for nowadays. The brass used to be seasonal, it's pretty common now.
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Necessity is the plea for every infringement of every human freedom, It is the argument of tyrants; It is the creed of slaves.
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11-15-2012, 07:55 PM
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Take the red pill
Join Date: Oct 2008
Bikes: '09 R1
Location: USA
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40 is an outstanding round, especially in 135 grain. 9mm is great in +p, so is .45. 10mm is great too.
I am partial to .357sig myself and IMO its the best semi-auto caliber. Massive speed and energy. Great thing about .40 weapons is they also shoot sig with a barrel swap. Been shooting .357sig for almost 17 years.
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11-15-2012, 09:11 PM
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The Lead Farmer
Join Date: Sep 2008
Bikes: 08 Raven R1, 97 F3, 94 VMax, 65 CA95, CRF80F, CRF70F, Cannondale F7, your mom.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by drjak
40 is an outstanding round, especially in 135 grain. 9mm is great in +p, so is .45. 10mm is great too.
I am partial to .357sig myself and IMO its the best semi-auto caliber. Massive speed and energy. Great thing about .40 weapons is they also shoot sig with a barrel swap. Been shooting .357sig for almost 17 years.
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Shot placement is more important than caliber. Anything above a 32 will do the job if placed properly. There is no such thing as overkill in a gun fight.
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Necessity is the plea for every infringement of every human freedom, It is the argument of tyrants; It is the creed of slaves.
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11-16-2012, 04:46 AM
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#3476
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I eat my R1
Join Date: Aug 2005
Bikes: 2005 YZF-R1
Location: Northern Ohio
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Quote:
Originally Posted by drjak
40 is an outstanding round, especially in 135 grain. 9mm is great in +p, so is .45. 10mm is great too.
I am partial to .357sig myself and IMO its the best semi-auto caliber. Massive speed and energy. Great thing about .40 weapons is they also shoot sig with a barrel swap. Been shooting .357sig for almost 17 years.
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faster and higher energy is only great if the round doesn't go thru the person/target. If the bullet goes in one side and out the other and keeps traveling, it still has plenty of energy. therefore the target didn't get the fully effect of the bullet.
This is why I like 45acp. heavy and slow. when that round hits a person, it usually doesn't go thru them. they get all 400ft/lbs of that 230gr round transfered into their torso. Lay down. Die.
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11-16-2012, 04:49 AM
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Born Again Patriot
Join Date: Oct 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RavenRyan
faster and higher energy is only great if the round doesn't go thru the person/target. If the bullet goes in one side and out the other and keeps traveling, it still has plenty of energy. therefore the target didn't get the fully effect of the bullet.
This is why I like 45acp. heavy and slow. when that round hits a person, it usually doesn't go thru them. they get all 400ft/lbs of that 230gr round transfered into their torso. Lay down. Die.
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If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Good ole' .45 
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11-16-2012, 04:55 AM
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The Lead Farmer
Join Date: Sep 2008
Bikes: 08 Raven R1, 97 F3, 94 VMax, 65 CA95, CRF80F, CRF70F, Cannondale F7, your mom.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RavenRyan
faster and higher energy is only great if the round doesn't go thru the person/target. If the bullet goes in one side and out the other and keeps traveling, it still has plenty of energy. therefore the target didn't get the fully effect of the bullet.
This is why I like 45acp. heavy and slow. when that round hits a person, it usually doesn't go thru them. they get all 400ft/lbs of that 230gr round transfered into their torso. Lay down. Die.
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The only caveat to that is that Thoracic cavity shock is what stops people in their tracks.
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Necessity is the plea for every infringement of every human freedom, It is the argument of tyrants; It is the creed of slaves.
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11-16-2012, 05:07 AM
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Life: Comedy or Tragedy?
Join Date: Mar 2003
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Location: Da northland. Yah.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RavenRyan
faster and higher energy is only great if the round doesn't go thru the person/target. If the bullet goes in one side and out the other and keeps traveling, it still has plenty of energy. therefore the target didn't get the fully effect of the bullet.
This is why I like 45acp. heavy and slow. when that round hits a person, it usually doesn't go thru them. they get all 400ft/lbs of that 230gr round transfered into their torso. Lay down. Die.
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I never carried a 230gr in mine. Wanted something with better expansion capabilities.
Hornady 185gr .45ACP Critical Defense
Of course, the argument of ballistics will never end. Point being, use what you're comfortable with and will do the job with a well place shot.
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11-16-2012, 05:11 AM
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The Lead Farmer
Join Date: Sep 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fjorn
I never carried a 230gr in mine. Wanted something with better expansion capabilities.
Hornady 185gr .45ACP Critical Defense
Of course, the argument of ballistics will never end. Point being, use what you're comfortable with and will do the job with a well place shot. |
I've been on hand to test 230g +p+ HST federal and 181g+p god dot. It really didn't matter, they both stopped within an inch of each other and expansion was similar. 230 grain did much better on deflection tests.
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Necessity is the plea for every infringement of every human freedom, It is the argument of tyrants; It is the creed of slaves.
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