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[fjorn]

Originally Posted by Meister37

I've been on hand to test 230g +p+ HST federal and 181g+p god dot. It really didn't matter, they both stopped within an inch of each other and expansion was similar. 230 grain did much better on deflection tests.

It's a heavier round (230gr), so it would do better on deflection. I've not seen a 230gr round available here except if it's round point ball ammo.

[Creeping Death]

Originally Posted by Meister37

I've been on hand to test 230g +p+ HST federal and 181g+p god dot. It really didn't matter, they both stopped within an inch of each other and expansion was similar. 230 grain did much better on deflection tests.

Originally Posted by fjorn

It's a heavier round (230gr), so it would do better on deflection. I've not seen a 230gr round available here except if it's round point ball ammo.

I ordered a 50 rd box of .45 230gr +p HST from SG Ammo for $44.95 shipped. That's cheaper than the 165gr Hydra-Shoks from Walmart. The S&W manual says to never shoot +p+ in any S&W handgun.

[Creeping Death]

Hope this isn't a repost...

Gotta love the .50 at 8:08

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[WarMachine]

I shoot .45 better than 9 and .40 so i'm sticking with it.

[WarMachine]

Originally Posted by Creeping Death

I ordered a 50 rd box of .45 230gr +p HST from SG Ammo for $44.95 shipped. That's cheaper than the 165gr Hydra-Shoks from Walmart. The S&W manual says to never shoot +p+ in any S&W handgun.

I'm not gonna risk my piece with +P so I order these

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/produc...p-hollow-point

[Creeping Death]

Originally Posted by WarMachine

I'm not gonna risk my piece with +P so I order these

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/produc...p-hollow-point

That's the same thing I have minus the +p.

The only thing the S&W manual says about +p is to not use it in any K frame revolver manufactured prior to 1950-something (misplaced the manual).

It does say that it may cause premature wear but I don't intend to use it for target practice except just a few to see how different it shoots.

[fjorn]

Originally Posted by Creeping Death

That's the same thing I have minus the +p.

The only thing the S&W manual says about +p is to not use it in any K frame revolver manufactured prior to 1950-something (misplaced the manual).

It does say that it may cause premature wear but I don't intend to use it for target practice except just a few to see how different it shoots.

That is fairly common. .45 pistols have two rounds, older pistols are not designed for the auto or acp rounds due to pressures and such. At least that is my understanding

[drjak]

Originally Posted by Meister37

The only caveat to that is that Thoracic cavity shock is what stops people in their tracks.

Exactly. I can't count how many shooting reports I've read where it was a one round affair with 357 due to shock.

.357sig doesn't over penetrate either. If you've ever taken a course where you shoot cars or through barriers, it's a real eye opener as to which rounds do the best job. Give me 357mag or 357sig any day of the week.

And the main benefit of this caliber is how flat it shoots, IE extremely accurate. I'm more accurate with it than 32, .38, 9, 10, 45, 40, etc, etc.

[KMac]

For whatever reason, though, .357sig is losing popularity in recent years and there is becoming less and less ammo and gun models being mfr'd for it. The fact that people inherently don't believe it performs (and actually outperforms) as well as it does against the same bullet in .357 mag loads has to be, IMO, part of why it is sliding backwards. That, and lazy reloaders don't like necked pistol cartridges.

[thnakdone]

Originally Posted by KMac

For whatever reason, though, .357sig is losing popularity in recent years and there is becoming less and less ammo and gun models being mfr'd for it. The fact that people inherently don't believe it performs (and actually outperforms) as well as it does against the same bullet in .357 mag loads has to be, IMO, part of why it is sliding backwards. That, and lazy reloaders don't like necked pistol cartridges.

Damn lazy reloaders.... :

[hawk71]

I came across this while looking for some optics. Guy claims to have been an Infantryman for 6 years. 3 sights seem like a bit of overkill IMHO.

[WarMachine]

Originally Posted by hawk71

I came across this while looking for some optics. Guy claims to have been an Infantryman for 6 years. 3 sights seem like a bit of overkill IMHO.

Um I get the 45 degree sights but not the magnifier behind the acog

Sent from my Rooted S3 fool

[BeaverPuncher]

That fvcker was shooting rabbits it looks like. Wasscally wabbits

[Meister37]

Originally Posted by KMac

For whatever reason, though, .357sig is losing popularity in recent years and there is becoming less and less ammo and gun models being mfr'd for it. The fact that people inherently don't believe it performs (and actually outperforms) as well as it does against the same bullet in .357 mag loads has to be, IMO, part of why it is sliding backwards. That, and lazy reloaders don't like necked pistol cartridges.

A few reasons in addition. Ammo cost is up there, less to choose from with HP ammo and the availability isn't there.

Originally Posted by drjak

Exactly. I can't count how many shooting reports I've read where it was a one round affair with 357 due to shock.

.357sig doesn't over penetrate either. If you've ever taken a course where you shoot cars or through barriers, it's a real eye opener as to which rounds do the best job. Give me 357mag or 357sig any day of the week.

And the main benefit of this caliber is how flat it shoots, IE extremely accurate. I'm more accurate with it than 32, .38, 9, 10, 45, 40, etc, etc.

Not to mention it will swiss cheese most police vests.

[Creeping Death]

My Pelican 1720 just showed up

Edit: Oh... and my 4) M&P extended mags.

[WarMachine]

Originally Posted by Creeping Death

My Pelican 1720 just showed up

Edit: Oh... and my 4) M&P extended mags.

That's a spendy case right there



and let's not forget the extra mags

[Creeping Death]

Originally Posted by WarMachine

That's a spendy case right there



and let's not forget the extra mags

The case was $198.97 with free 2 day shipping from Amazon. It's really nice, definitely meets expectations. Now I gotta start cutting foam.

[WarMachine]

And here i thought this was spendy

http://www.vortexdefense.com/Drago_G...p/12-302tn.htm

[Creeping Death]

That looks pretty nice for $79.

[BeaverPuncher]

That's a nice case