Bad News Regarding my 2008 R1...engine failure - Page 4 : Yamaha R1 Forum
» Insurance
» Yamaha R1 Prices
» Sponsors

General Motorcycle Discussions Any general discussions related to Motorcycles goes in here.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-17-2012, 12:11 PM   #61
IMSTuner
I eat my R1
 
IMSTuner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Bikes: 2008 R1
Location: MASS
Posts: 1,618
I hope everhthing works out for you.
__________________


2008 R1 Black - Gold AVS C5 Levers, Puig DB Wind Screen, EvoTech Sliders Kit, T-Rex Clutch slider, Stomp Tank Pads, LeoVince Ti Factory Evo II CF end caps, Arko Y-Pipe, EvoTech Fender Elim., Proton Signals, PZRacing GearTronic Zero , Q2 tires, Flash-Tune Interface,Brembo RCS Ohlins FRT fork and TTX shock
My Build Thread http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336353


YouTube Page http://www.youtube.com/user/imstuner?feature=mhee
IMSTuner is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 11-17-2012, 01:54 PM   #62
toysareforboys
My R1 eats me.
 
toysareforboys's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Bikes: 07 R1, flash-tune'd
Location: Whitby, Ontario, Kanada
Posts: 1,913
Quote:
Originally Posted by albertg View Post
I read that Purolator’s ML line is actually made overseas by another company and is inferior in quality to the PL Pure One filters….
You received correct information.

Quote:
Originally Posted by albertg View Post
it is likely that Purolator’s warnings for PL filter use in MCs is simply a marketing ploy to prevent competition between their PL and ML filters.
There is some debate on that, and as I posted before, the ML line of filters have a lower bypass activation pressure then their identical car PL filter.

Quote:
Originally Posted by albertg View Post
Anyone with the oil filter testing results mentioned above??
I don't know how it works in the USA, but in Canada we have the Consumer Protection Act (similar to the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act in the USA possibly?). It states that a manufacturer can not deny your repair or coverage based only on a suspected cause of damage. They must prove that the item which they are blaming for the damage, actually caused the damage.

Not bike related, but I had a steering pump explode on my almost brand new 2004 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP compG. They blamed it on the nitrous system I installed. I told them to prove it. They initially said the insane torque steer (no argument there, lol) caused more stress on the pump (lol). I said have it tested, and prove to me that the steering pump is under more stress from torque steer than it is when I'm pulling 0.81g on the 300ft diameter skidpad.

I guess they made a few phone calls to an engineering/data capture company and found out it would be way cheaper to just fix it, rather than do the testing!

Flex your muscle. No way a "not completely dirty/plugged" PL oil filter caused ANY difference in the oil pressure or flow on your bike. I'd bet my life on it.

-Jamie M.
toysareforboys is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2012, 02:01 PM   #63
bacchus40
kickin' at the darkness
 
bacchus40's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Bikes: 2005 RAVEN R6, sold; PEARL WHITE 2009 YZF R1 ~ rip, CADMIUM YELLOW 2009 YZF-R1!
Location: British Columbia
Posts: 6,212
Quote:
Originally Posted by toysareforboys View Post

I don't know how it works in the USA, but in Canada we have the Consumer Protection Act (similar to the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act in the USA possibly?). It states that a manufacturer can not deny your repair or coverage based only on a suspected cause of damage. They must prove that the item which they are blaming for the damage, actually caused the damage.
i believe its the same thing in USA.. i was told by my Yamaha dealer mechanic that is why he could recommend ecuNleashed to me... as he was aware it would have no adverse effect on a brand new bike...

so if anything blew up... he would have to prove to yamaha it was the re-flash that caused the damage..

so yeah you have a valid point... nothing to loose with trying op..
__________________
'09 R1
420lbs @ 160rwhp!

Dynojet PCV, DJ AT-200, Leo Vince EVOII SBK/ARROW SS HEADER, GRAVES STACKS, GYTR , graves AIS, ECUnleashed, SHORAI, YOYODYNE sc, HINSON bskt, EBC SRK, RK520, JT (japan) 15T/44T, Lithtech chain adjust, ANNITORI RL qs,
CLEVER WOLF tank CF, RIZOMA sportline grips, APEX adj. clip-ons, CRG Arrows, GYTR seat, SHOGUN no-cut, GBR covers, GYTR db, Watsens, 6000k HID, RACETECH springs, RACETECH G3-LD, OHLINs FPK, CL SBK5/RX3, HEL SS lines

Last edited by bacchus40; 11-17-2012 at 02:06 PM.
bacchus40 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2012, 03:22 PM   #64
albertg
I eat my R1
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 108
Picked up my R1 from the dealer today. I asked them again if they did a compression test to rule out the valve/valve guide problem. They said "No...it was not done"...no info regarding compression testing in their paperwork!

I specifically asked that they do a compression test when I initially brought the bike to them for diagnosis! I told them at the time about the valve/valve guide problem I read about on the forum.

There is clearly some lack of communication and follow-through at this dealership. Not the type of operation I want wrenching my motor if it comes to a complete rebuild.

So...still looking for a indy in my area to talk with. Any suggestions? I live approximately 45 minutes north of Philadelphia off of I-95.

r1Totzauer
....Really??....more "conjecture" about "cheap" oil and filters??!! Please enlighten us with some reproducable concrete test data or put it to rest... I did alot of web search/reading on oil and filters...Blackstone Labs...calci.com...other sources, etc. I'm no expert....but I found no contraindications at the time for the oil/filter I used for the R1...especially considering I was still in a progressive engine break-in mode with dino oil and my oil/filter changes were at very short intervals...on a bike with only 3K miles that never broke the 8-9K RPM barrier. Again....do you have some test data from an independent source to back-up your "CHEAP" claims?? I'm all ears...!!! ...and waiting... I'll be happy to pay the repairs if it was clearly the fault of the oil filter and my poor decision making...

Suggestions for an indy mechanic in my area appreciated.

Thanks all...
Regards
albertg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2012, 05:29 PM   #65
r1Totzauer
blue blurrrr go zoom
 
r1Totzauer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Bikes: 07 r1
Location: Wilmington, NC
Posts: 3,393
wasnt tryin to point a finger at the oil...just stating it....sorry for beating a dead horse..its easy enought o figure out where something went wrong...im no mech but i tore my motor down no probs and found out the problem..now to get it back together..
__________________
New member of
Tpm- white


Ridin' like tomorrow isnt promised

07 R1:
Blue puig windscreen, Two brothers slip ons, -1 +2 sprockets, Blue stealth rear sprocket, Blue EK chain, CNC cut R1 heel guards, Hot bodies flush mount turn signals, Blue axle blocks, Blue rear hugger, Puig chain guard, Blue R1 rims, R1 Progrips, shogun frame sliders, carbon fiber mirror block offs
r1Totzauer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2012, 05:41 PM   #66
IMSTuner
I eat my R1
 
IMSTuner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Bikes: 2008 R1
Location: MASS
Posts: 1,618
Quote:
Originally Posted by albertg View Post
Picked up my R1 from the dealer today. I asked them again if they did a compression test to rule out the valve/valve guide problem. They said "No...it was not done"...no info regarding compression testing in their paperwork!

I specifically asked that they do a compression test when I initially brought the bike to them for diagnosis! I told them at the time about the valve/valve guide problem I read about on the forum.

There is clearly some lack of communication and follow-through at this dealership. Not the type of operation I want wrenching my motor if it comes to a complete rebuild.

So...still looking for a indy in my area to talk with. Any suggestions? I live approximately 45 minutes north of Philadelphia off of I-95.

r1Totzauer
....Really??....more "conjecture" about "cheap" oil and filters??!! Please enlighten us with some reproducable concrete test data or put it to rest... I did alot of web search/reading on oil and filters...Blackstone Labs...calci.com...other sources, etc. I'm no expert....but I found no contraindications at the time for the oil/filter I used for the R1...especially considering I was still in a progressive engine break-in mode with dino oil and my oil/filter changes were at very short intervals...on a bike with only 3K miles that never broke the 8-9K RPM barrier. Again....do you have some test data from an independent source to back-up your "CHEAP" claims?? I'm all ears...!!! ...and waiting... I'll be happy to pay the repairs if it was clearly the fault of the oil filter and my poor decision making...

Suggestions for an indy mechanic in my area appreciated.

Thanks all...
Regards
Ask for the reason for the warranty denial in writing. If they blame the oil filter then send a letter/fax to the filter manufacture. They should be able to provide you the test details for that filter. I would file a complaint with the BBB as well.
__________________


2008 R1 Black - Gold AVS C5 Levers, Puig DB Wind Screen, EvoTech Sliders Kit, T-Rex Clutch slider, Stomp Tank Pads, LeoVince Ti Factory Evo II CF end caps, Arko Y-Pipe, EvoTech Fender Elim., Proton Signals, PZRacing GearTronic Zero , Q2 tires, Flash-Tune Interface,Brembo RCS Ohlins FRT fork and TTX shock
My Build Thread http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336353


YouTube Page http://www.youtube.com/user/imstuner?feature=mhee
IMSTuner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2013, 08:20 AM   #67
jfisher
I eat my R1
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Bikes: 2007 Yamaha R1
Location: Cincinnati
Posts: 546
Ever figure this out?
__________________
2007 Charcoal R1 - Graves / K&N / Evotech / ASV / Shorai / SBK Flash / Driven / GYTR / Watsen / Bazzaz / Custom LED / Q3's / Rizoma / Drive Systems Superlite 520 -1 +2 / SpeedoDRD / Spiegler
jfisher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2013, 09:55 AM   #68
cyclepsycho7
R1, "A Superior Addiction"
 
cyclepsycho7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Bikes: 06 R1
Location: NY
Posts: 10,806
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gearheaded View Post
Honestly, you cheaped out on oil and a filter for a high performance machine and now you want Yamaha to pay for it? Sorry man. Get ready to bite a big repair bill, Yamaha shouldn't have to pay for you being cheap.

Oil is the most important part of the bike, why cheap out?
I hate to make you feel bad about your choice of filter and oil but I have to agree with the above. I don't take chances at all with the exception of using full synthetic amsoil.
__________________
Lucky 13 Squadron

cyclepsycho7 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2013, 10:24 AM   #69
Danosperf
Just made this great wheelie.. did you see it?!
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Hemet,CA.
Posts: 82
Based on the symptoms you have described I would bet the house and farm your problem is a bad valve guide.This is a very common problem with the 2004-08 Yamaha R1models and in our shop we have seen a few of these issues with that model.When a local customer has brought a bike in with this type of issue we usually just buy a low mileage cylinder head off of Ebay and swap it out.I hope this helps.
Danosperf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2013, 11:16 AM   #70
Kangaroo
para bellum
 
Kangaroo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 35,630
Quote:
Originally Posted by mhamren View Post
The lesson I learn from this is: No matter what choices you make regarding oil and filter, if your engine goes South, spin on an OEM filter before taking it to the dealer, and sware you used Yamalube since day one.
Warranty coverage needs documentation. In this case, you can say I'm the most anal when it comes to taking care of my bike, but what about how you ride as in wheelies and other abusive ways? It goes both ways.
__________________


Sig courtesy of SpidermanSS 9-15-09

Brothers riding on...
Bandrews 10/11
Dieyoung69 11/10
Vman1300 3/09
Gawarrior 6/08
Elviswarrior 6/07
Crazyclimbr 3/07
K_flexxx 6/06
Kangaroo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2013, 11:18 AM   #71
cyclepsycho7
R1, "A Superior Addiction"
 
cyclepsycho7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Bikes: 06 R1
Location: NY
Posts: 10,806
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danosperf View Post
Based on the symptoms you have described I would bet the house and farm your problem is a bad valve guide.This is a very common problem with the 2004-08 Yamaha R1models and in our shop we have seen a few of these issues with that model.When a local customer has brought a bike in with this type of issue we usually just buy a low mileage cylinder head off of Ebay and swap it out.I hope this helps.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the 04-06 was ok with that and it started when they went back to the 4 valve design on the 07-08 with 07 being more of a problem. On this site, which I'm on a lot, I haven't seen nearly the amount of threads on the 04-06 with this problem. Of course, I could be wrong though.
__________________
Lucky 13 Squadron

cyclepsycho7 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2013, 12:11 PM   #72
Kangaroo
para bellum
 
Kangaroo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 35,630
Thiught just came up that using motoman's method will have brought the issue up much earlier.
__________________


Sig courtesy of SpidermanSS 9-15-09

Brothers riding on...
Bandrews 10/11
Dieyoung69 11/10
Vman1300 3/09
Gawarrior 6/08
Elviswarrior 6/07
Crazyclimbr 3/07
K_flexxx 6/06
Kangaroo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2013, 12:13 PM   #73
jfisher
I eat my R1
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Bikes: 2007 Yamaha R1
Location: Cincinnati
Posts: 546
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danosperf View Post
Based on the symptoms you have described I would bet the house and farm your problem is a bad valve guide.This is a very common problem with the 2004-08 Yamaha R1models and in our shop we have seen a few of these issues with that model.When a local customer has brought a bike in with this type of issue we usually just buy a low mileage cylinder head off of Ebay and swap it out.I hope this helps.
What are you doing from preventing it from happening again in the future?
__________________
2007 Charcoal R1 - Graves / K&N / Evotech / ASV / Shorai / SBK Flash / Driven / GYTR / Watsen / Bazzaz / Custom LED / Q3's / Rizoma / Drive Systems Superlite 520 -1 +2 / SpeedoDRD / Spiegler
jfisher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2013, 12:57 PM   #74
toysareforboys
My R1 eats me.
 
toysareforboys's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Bikes: 07 R1, flash-tune'd
Location: Whitby, Ontario, Kanada
Posts: 1,913
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfisher View Post
What are you doing from preventing it from happening again in the future?
Keeping stock of spare heads lol.

The issue is the factory valve guides are not installed/drilled straight.

The only solution is to replace the guides.

-Jamie M.
__________________
toysareforboys is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2013, 02:12 PM   #75
Kangaroo
para bellum
 
Kangaroo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 35,630
Quote:
Originally Posted by cyclepsycho7 View Post
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the 04-06 was ok with that and it started when they went back to the 4 valve design on the 07-08 with 07 being more of a problem. On this site, which I'm on a lot, I haven't seen nearly the amount of threads on the 04-06 with this problem. Of course, I could be wrong though.
nope also for the earlier years. Run a search and you'll see dropped valves threads on here.

The only way you'll know is to drop the motor and tear it down. So in the end a full rebuild needs to happen. Better to do it before a piston punches a hole through the cases.
__________________


Sig courtesy of SpidermanSS 9-15-09

Brothers riding on...
Bandrews 10/11
Dieyoung69 11/10
Vman1300 3/09
Gawarrior 6/08
Elviswarrior 6/07
Crazyclimbr 3/07
K_flexxx 6/06
Kangaroo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2013, 02:18 PM   #76
toysareforboys
My R1 eats me.
 
toysareforboys's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Bikes: 07 R1, flash-tune'd
Location: Whitby, Ontario, Kanada
Posts: 1,913
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kangaroo View Post
The only way you'll know is to drop the motor and tear it down. So in the end a full rebuild needs to happen. Better to do it before a piston punches a hole through the cases.
You can inspect the intake valve stems without pulling the motor out



-Jamie M.
__________________
toysareforboys is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2013, 02:58 PM   #77
Kangaroo
para bellum
 
Kangaroo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 35,630
you get that far, it's only an hour more to pull the crank and pistons.
__________________


Sig courtesy of SpidermanSS 9-15-09

Brothers riding on...
Bandrews 10/11
Dieyoung69 11/10
Vman1300 3/09
Gawarrior 6/08
Elviswarrior 6/07
Crazyclimbr 3/07
K_flexxx 6/06
Kangaroo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2013, 04:18 PM   #78
dblwhiteR1
I eat my R1
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 164
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheButcher View Post
Rotella and Wix baby.
I use Wix oil filters on everything.

I used to use K & N in my cars until I started noticing some weird things. I liked them because of the grip on them. In my Lincoln LS v8 I would get low oil pressure at idle at stop lights, causing my oil light to come on. On my 94 trans am I noticed low oil pressure at idle, more then 10psi per 1000 but low enough to say "that aint right". Got rid of the K and N and both problems went away, Ive used wix in every motorcycle Ive owned from a seca 2 to my R1, I always change out any filter on a new car for a wix as well. I do not know about K&N's performance line, but what I dealt with from there other line I wont touch one. Guy I knew had an RX7 that blew up, he pulled the engine to do a v8 swap and of course sitting nice and pretty is an orange k&n oil filter.

I use rotella/delvac in all the bikes ive owned apart from the CB1000, its got mobil MX4T since 500miles.

I think its bullshit that yamaha wont cover this, I think OP has every right to say "spin a oem filter on it befor it goes in" or whatever. Yamaha should pay for every r1 that comes in with that problem because they failed to make something that would last. Having a customer pay upwards of 5000 to take the engine apart and rebuild the head is absurd. I ride a 2003 R1, I use wix and rotella...It hasnt broken. MANY people ride yamaha bikes and use oil other then yamalube and filters other then yamaha OEM and do not have issues. Why should a 2006/07 owner get put out like this just because they own a 2007 and do not use what yamaha wants them to use. When a car has a recall it doesnt matter what filter or oil is in the thing when it pulls in, they fix it because thats the right thing to do.
dblwhiteR1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2013, 06:17 PM   #79
FXCLM5
Bombaclaud
 
FXCLM5's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Bikes: 09 r1, 06 600rr trackwhore
Location: Nor-Cal
Posts: 1,414
TBH i think the shop has 50% persuasion tactics over the MFG (yamaha)

my friend had a fz1 with a cracked frame, he took it to a FEW yamaha dealers and finally found 1, 2 cities over, to get his framed replaced free of charge.

All the other dealers told him yamaha wasnt going to cover it.

I think his was a 07 or 08 and this happened in 12 when it was past his warranty.
FXCLM5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2013, 07:14 AM   #80
jfisher
I eat my R1
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Bikes: 2007 Yamaha R1
Location: Cincinnati
Posts: 546
Quote:
Originally Posted by toysareforboys View Post
Keeping stock of spare heads lol.

The issue is the factory valve guides are not installed/drilled straight.

The only solution is to replace the guides.

-Jamie M.
I guess I still don't understand how that is a long term fix. Maybe I don't understand exactly how the original valve guides are installed, but if the hole in the head where the valve guide is installed is not drilled correctly, you can put as many valve guides back in the head as you want, but the problem is going to keep coming back.
__________________
2007 Charcoal R1 - Graves / K&N / Evotech / ASV / Shorai / SBK Flash / Driven / GYTR / Watsen / Bazzaz / Custom LED / Q3's / Rizoma / Drive Systems Superlite 520 -1 +2 / SpeedoDRD / Spiegler
jfisher is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 06:51 AM.



Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Motorcycle News, Videos and Reviews
Honda Grom Forum Harley Davidson Forum Honda 600RR Kawasaki Forum Yamaha R6 Forum Yamaha FZ-09 Forum
1199 Panigale Forum Roadglide Forum Honda CBR1000 Forum Vulcan Forum Yamaha R1 Forum Yamaha R3 Forum
Ducati Monster Forum Harley Forums Honda CBR250R Forum ZX10R Forum Star Raider Forum Yamaha Viking Forum
Suzuki GSXR Forum V-Rod Forums Honda Shadow Forum Kawasaki Motorcycle Forum Star Warrior Forum KTM Duke 390 Forum
SV650 Forum BMW S1000RR Forum Honda Fury Forum Kawasaki Versys Forum Drag Racing Forum Ducati 899 Panigale Forum
Suzuki V-Strom BMW K1600 Triumph Forum Victory Forums Sportbikes BMW NineT Forum
Volusia Forum BMW F800 Forum Triumph 675 Forum MV Agusta Forum HD Street Forum Suzuki GW250 Forum
Yamaha Motorcycles Victory Gunner Forum Honda Vultus Forum HD LiveWire Forum Ninja H2 Forum
R1-Forum.com is an independent Yamaha enthusiast website. Content on R1-Forum.com is generated by its users and R1-Forum.com is not in any way affiliated with Yamaha Motor Corporation, U.S.A.