Bad News Regarding my 2008 R1...engine failure

IMSTuner · 11-17-2012, 12:11 PM

I hope everhthing works out for you.

toysareforboys · 11-17-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by albertg

I read that Purolator’s ML line is actually made overseas by another company and is inferior in quality to the PL Pure One filters….

You received correct information.

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Originally Posted by albertg

it is likely that Purolator’s warnings for PL filter use in MCs is simply a marketing ploy to prevent competition between their PL and ML filters.

There is some debate on that, and as I posted before, the ML line of filters have a lower bypass activation pressure then their identical car PL filter.

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Originally Posted by albertg

Anyone with the oil filter testing results mentioned above??

I don't know how it works in the USA, but in Canada we have the Consumer Protection Act (similar to the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act in the USA possibly?). It states that a manufacturer can not deny your repair or coverage based only on a suspected cause of damage. They must prove that the item which they are blaming for the damage, actually caused the damage.

Not bike related, but I had a steering pump explode on my almost brand new 2004 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP compG. They blamed it on the nitrous system I installed. I told them to prove it. They initially said the insane torque steer (no argument there, lol) caused more stress on the pump (lol). I said have it tested, and prove to me that the steering pump is under more stress from torque steer than it is when I'm pulling 0.81g on the 300ft diameter skidpad.

I guess they made a few phone calls to an engineering/data capture company and found out it would be way cheaper to just fix it, rather than do the testing!

Flex your muscle. No way a "not completely dirty/plugged" PL oil filter caused ANY difference in the oil pressure or flow on your bike. I'd bet my life on it.

-Jamie M.

bacchus40 · 11-17-2012, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by toysareforboys

I don't know how it works in the USA, but in Canada we have the Consumer Protection Act (similar to the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act in the USA possibly?). It states that a manufacturer can not deny your repair or coverage based only on a suspected cause of damage. They must prove that the item which they are blaming for the damage, actually caused the damage.

i believe its the same thing in USA.. i was told by my Yamaha dealer mechanic that is why he could recommend ecuNleashed to me... as he was aware it would have no adverse effect on a brand new bike...

so if anything blew up... he would have to prove to yamaha it was the re-flash that caused the damage..

so yeah you have a valid point... nothing to loose with trying op..

albertg · 11-17-2012, 03:22 PM

Picked up my R1 from the dealer today. I asked them again if they did a compression test to rule out the valve/valve guide problem. They said "No...it was not done"...no info regarding compression testing in their paperwork!

I specifically asked that they do a compression test when I initially brought the bike to them for diagnosis! I told them at the time about the valve/valve guide problem I read about on the forum.

There is clearly some lack of communication and follow-through at this dealership. Not the type of operation I want wrenching my motor if it comes to a complete rebuild.

So...still looking for a indy in my area to talk with. Any suggestions? I live approximately 45 minutes north of Philadelphia off of I-95.

r1Totzauer
....Really??....more "conjecture" about "cheap" oil and filters??!! Please enlighten us with some reproducable concrete test data or put it to rest... I did alot of web search/reading on oil and filters...Blackstone Labs...calci.com...other sources, etc. I'm no expert....but I found no contraindications at the time for the oil/filter I used for the R1...especially considering I was still in a progressive engine break-in mode with dino oil and my oil/filter changes were at very short intervals...on a bike with only 3K miles that never broke the 8-9K RPM barrier. Again....do you have some test data from an independent source to back-up your "CHEAP" claims?? I'm all ears...!!! ...and waiting... I'll be happy to pay the repairs if it was clearly the fault of the oil filter and my poor decision making...

Suggestions for an indy mechanic in my area appreciated.

Thanks all...
Regards

r1Totzauer · 11-17-2012, 05:29 PM

wasnt tryin to point a finger at the oil...just stating it....sorry for beating a dead horse..its easy enought o figure out where something went wrong...im no mech but i tore my motor down no probs and found out the problem..now to get it back together..

IMSTuner · 11-17-2012, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by albertg

Picked up my R1 from the dealer today. I asked them again if they did a compression test to rule out the valve/valve guide problem. They said "No...it was not done"...no info regarding compression testing in their paperwork!

I specifically asked that they do a compression test when I initially brought the bike to them for diagnosis! I told them at the time about the valve/valve guide problem I read about on the forum.

There is clearly some lack of communication and follow-through at this dealership. Not the type of operation I want wrenching my motor if it comes to a complete rebuild.

So...still looking for a indy in my area to talk with. Any suggestions? I live approximately 45 minutes north of Philadelphia off of I-95.

r1Totzauer
....Really??....more "conjecture" about "cheap" oil and filters??!! Please enlighten us with some reproducable concrete test data or put it to rest... I did alot of web search/reading on oil and filters...Blackstone Labs...calci.com...other sources, etc. I'm no expert....but I found no contraindications at the time for the oil/filter I used for the R1...especially considering I was still in a progressive engine break-in mode with dino oil and my oil/filter changes were at very short intervals...on a bike with only 3K miles that never broke the 8-9K RPM barrier. Again....do you have some test data from an independent source to back-up your "CHEAP" claims?? I'm all ears...!!! ...and waiting... I'll be happy to pay the repairs if it was clearly the fault of the oil filter and my poor decision making...

Suggestions for an indy mechanic in my area appreciated.

Thanks all...
Regards

Ask for the reason for the warranty denial in writing. If they blame the oil filter then send a letter/fax to the filter manufacture. They should be able to provide you the test details for that filter. I would file a complaint with the BBB as well.