Feedback needed on '12 vs '08 R1. : Yamaha R1 Forum

StraightSuccess · 11-18-2012, 06:45 PM

I stopped into the dealer the other day just help me ease the addiction. Just had to see them in person. I could've walked out with a fresh bike, but didn't. It's winter, and I'm patient. Enough, small talk.

I began talking with the sales woman as she's aware of my situation, and I can get my bike anytime. I informed her of the mint condition '08 that I'm looking at, and she began telling me how the cross plane is so much better in every regard. Sales ploy? Possibly.

On black and white, the data suggest that the '08 has more power, more torque, and they are about equal in weight. With this information, can someone please enlighten me about these two. If a weekend veteran rider was to take both bikes on the track, an '12 R1 and an '08, which one would surface as the winner (clearly opinions will vary)?

z064life · 11-18-2012, 06:48 PM

1) Flash the 12 and remove the stock restrictions and then compare.

2) the xplane has more "useable" power...better low/mid range than the '08

Which one will surface as the winner will depend on who is sitting on each bike

StraightSuccess · 11-18-2012, 06:54 PM

Greatly appreciate the feedback, but I think you missed the last sentence.

z064life · 11-18-2012, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by StraightSuccess

Greatly appreciate the feedback, but I think you missed the last sentence.

No I didn't....style of rider will make a difference on which bike works better

TheForumGay · 11-18-2012, 07:42 PM

Both are great bikes. Both are much faster than you can utilize

StraightSuccess · 11-18-2012, 08:02 PM

... comfort opinions between the two?

z064life · 11-18-2012, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by StraightSuccess

... comfort opinions between the two?

it is a litre sportbike....comfort isn't what either are made for

Meister37 · 11-18-2012, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by StraightSuccess

I stopped into the dealer the other day just help me ease the addiction. Just had to see them in person. I could've walked out with a fresh bike, but didn't. It's winter, and I'm patient. Enough, small talk.

I began talking with the sales woman as she's aware of my situation, and I can get my bike anytime. I informed her of the mint condition '08 that I'm looking at, and she began telling me how the cross plane is so much better in every regard. Sales ploy? Possibly.

On black and white, the data suggest that the '08 has more power, more torque, and they are about equal in weight. With this information, can someone please enlighten me about these two. If a weekend veteran rider was to take both bikes on the track, an '12 R1 and an '08, which one would surface as the winner (clearly opinions will vary)?

Looks is another thing to consider. They look nothing alike.

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Originally Posted by z064life

1) Flash the 12 and remove the stock restrictions and then compare.

2) the xplane has more "useable" power...better low/mid range than the '08

Which one will surface as the winner will depend on who is sitting on each bike

Very true, the 09+ will have more adaptability in the long run as the bike is still current in model for most options. The 08 will be faster in stock form than any 09+ on any track I can think of. It has the best stock suspension of any liter bike minus SE's. 12 has TC, so that's an advantage.

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Originally Posted by z064life

it is a litre sportbike....comfort isn't what either are made for

Yep, they are different, not better either way.

Yam M1R · 11-18-2012, 11:56 PM

The '08 have more power but the '12 handeling, suspension brakes r a lot better. I found myself with much more speed in corners on the '12 then '08 track or street. Some people complain about the throttle but I love it.different from night to day for me. All my friends that had a '08 love the '12 & 11 !! If you look at stock power with out adding mods then keep Ur '08 don't get me wrong nothing wrong with the '08. But I have much more fun on the '09+ Oh!! I'm not big on traction control but I like this one on the '12 !!!

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SakiBomb · 11-19-2012, 12:37 AM

^Preeeeetty sure the 07/08 suspension is better than 09+...

Yam M1R · 11-19-2012, 01:29 AM

you could be right on 09 because the 1 I road on the track had upgrade suspension work done

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daviboy · 11-19-2012, 01:29 AM

I own an 09 with flash, 3/4 exhaust, filter and it is a blast to ride. I am now so used to it that when I jumped on my mates 07 (identical to 08s I think) it felt like a toy.

I think the 09 is slightly heavier, so the 07 felt like my old r6. And in my opinion felt like a slug, power was really high in the rev range and I didn't like it one bit compared to mine. The 07 just had Yoshi slip ons.

Overall I prefer the 09+, but if it had the weight of the 07 would be perfect.

When my mate rode mine, he said my bike is scary to ride compared to the 07. Violent power delivery.
That's my experience.

cheong1106 · 11-19-2012, 01:35 AM

Crossplane engine is silky smooth above 4.5k

Flash it and fwah... beastly

Cornering stability is brilliant

Can get on the gas earlier (faster laps will result)

TC is outstandingly smooth

FYI. Have a video of S1K chasing me and I pulled away on straight / kept the gap.
Flashed ECU, decat, Leo Vince slipons, K&N filter, PC V + AT.

Top Speed I hit was same / slightly more than S1K friends on back straight at track. Similar lap time riders.

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daviboy · 11-19-2012, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by cheong1106

Crossplane engine is silky smooth above 4.5k

Flash it and fwah... beastly

Cornering stability is brilliant

Can get on the gas earlier (faster laps will result)

TC is outstandingly smooth

FYI. Have a video of S1K chasing me and I pulled away on straight / kept the gap.
Flashed ECU, decat, Leo Vince slipons, K&N filter, PC V + AT.

Top Speed I hit was same / slightly more than S1K friends on back straight at track. Similar lap time riders.

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Upload video, would love to rub it in the faces of S1k owners that think there bike is the best thing since sliced bread.

cheong1106 · 11-19-2012, 02:02 AM

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Upload video, would love to rub it in the faces of S1k owners that think there bike is the best thing since sliced bread.

Its on FACEBOOK. My friend posted it. I shared it on my timeline and will try to make it public. Soon Cheong Rex Tan is my fb.

I had bad day at track that day. Was 3 seconds off my pace. Testing some stuff. Ended up braking early and lines were bad. Anyways bottom line is the acceleration of R1 is not bad at all.

At the last part of vid. I screwed up the turn and ran wide. Even then I was keeping pace with him and I saw his wheel so I closed throttle to let him pass

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Mad Matt · 11-19-2012, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by daviboy

Upload video, would love to rub it in the faces of S1k owners that think there bike is the best thing since sliced bread.

Hell yeah, would love to see that....

Meister37 · 11-19-2012, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Yam M1R

The '08 have more power but the '12 handeling, suspension brakes r a lot better. I found myself with much more speed in corners on the '12 then '08 track or street. Some people complain about the throttle but I love it.different from night to day for me. All my friends that had a '08 love the '12 & 11 !! If you look at stock power with out adding mods then keep Ur '08 don't get me wrong nothing wrong with the '08. But I have much more fun on the '09+ Oh!! I'm not big on traction control but I like this one on the '12 !!!

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Sorry bro, they have EXACTLY the same brakes. The 09 has a better designed suspension, they just messed up the components when they built it. Springs are way too soft unless you weigh 120 lbs.

Jacobien · 11-19-2012, 04:36 AM

I have the 07, never ridden the 09+. But I can tell you this from reviews and real life tests done by MCN and Sportrider:

1) The 07 is slightly lighter, due mainly to environmentally friendly additions made to later bikes.
2) If you flash the ECU on the 09+, it has the same top end rush as the 07. I have seen dyno sheets of 07 and 09+ models and increases in HP after a flash on the 07 is not nearly as much as on the 09+
3) The 07 has the better stock suspension bits
4) Aftermarket pipes (for me anyway) on the 07 do somehow not compliment the lines of the bike, but on the 09+ I feel that the aftermarket suppliers really made more effort in this regard

In conclusion - buy the bike that you prefer in terms of looks

StraightSuccess · 11-19-2012, 06:19 AM

This is very good to hear. Basically, I can get an '08, and stock for stock can battle it out with a '12. That's what I'm looking for. Although the '12s are growing on me, I still think the '08 is the best bike created IMO. The '12s are still new and the '13s are the same, so this gives me time to upgrade later if need be.

z064life · 11-19-2012, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by StraightSuccess

This is very good to hear. Basically, I can get an '08, and stock for stock can battle it out with a '12. That's what I'm looking for. Although the '12s are growing on me, I still think the '08 is the best bike created IMO. The '12s are still new and the '13s are the same, so this gives me time to upgrade later if need be.

:secret

Not many bikes are left stock, so comparing stock for stock isn't going to do you much