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Old 12-04-2012, 08:56 AM   #61
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Chiefs officials knew about the couple’s ongoing beefs and provided counseling.
This was information that was released within the last 36 hours, and it supported he was a turd.

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Things for you to learn. Counseling doesn't always help, if someone is hell bent on murder nothing will stop them
This isn't something I didn't know. "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink." And I completely agree.

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Old 12-04-2012, 09:00 AM   #62
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Because I was not going to simply judge a person without relevant information? I was asking questions, and not simply discrediting sound discussion. Simply making the claim that the guy was a POS, without providing any further information is simply judgemental, and not sound discussion.



As well as who? I wasn't ignoring reality. I acknowledged that he murdered his gf. I was trying to figure out what some of the causes that led to that happening, so that something may be learned from this to help avoid a similar situation for other families.



The triggers research isn't moot. He was having an increase of substance abuse, as well as on prescription meds. Violent history + substance + prescription meds + history of problems with women = time bomb. Did the support group around the family fail? Only if they did not try. If they did try, as it appears that many around them did, it ultimately supports the truth and the reality of the situation. That he was not as good of a person as people originally claimed.



When did I push my opinion as fact?



Completely agree here



I never said that society was the cause for this action. I said to NOT investigate the situation does no justice to the mom of the little girl, the daughter, the family, or the rest of us.



Which is why I posted it. I am not avoiding the truth that he was screwed up, murdered one person, committing suicide (avoiding dealing with the rest of the world and the consequences), left his daughter as an orphan, and drug as many people as he could into it all by going to the practice facility and talking with Crennel and Pioli.

I simply wanted to avoid jumping to any conclusion until the evidence to support the claim was available.
The long and short is this, everyone else was right in their conclusion. Pretty simple really. Trying to read causation from the acts of a crazy person is useless, that's my point.
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Old 12-04-2012, 09:03 AM   #63
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Let's let the experts figure out the causes. I'm not sure the r1-forum at large is going to provide any valuable assistance to them. I don't see the public being in any danger, other that what already exists, because somebody here thinks the guy is a coward and is gonna write him off. The "experts" record of taking years and years to progress anywhere certainly trumps the tone of your posts that suggest there is some kind of emergent problem that this case is going to be vital to solving. IF, and when the experts conclude something then maybe some people will have to admit they were wrong, but I don't see conclusive proof of anything ever happening, other than a guy with a history of issues let his emotions get the better of him and he whacked her, then himself. If you feel the need to feel sorry for the guy, or somehow give him a pass on what he's done because "something else" must have driven him to do it, then just do it. No need to admonish everybody you come across for NOT finding that excuse for you.
I wasn't looking for an excuse to give him a pass. I was raised for the point of not jumping to conclusions. As you said, he let his emotions get the better of him and snapped (and it was only a matter of time going from his history and the current chain of events in his life). The guy turned out to be a turd.
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Old 12-04-2012, 09:04 AM   #64
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The long and short is this, everyone else was right in their conclusion. Pretty simple really. Trying to read causation from the acts of a crazy person is useless, that's my point.
Understood, hope no hard feeling came from this.
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Old 12-04-2012, 09:28 AM   #65
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Understood, hope no hard feeling came from this.
Not at all, I have no feelings.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:22 PM   #67
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Lesson learned today. Humility. God I love it when there's a new class.
No lesson learned, I have always had and shown humility and the ability to say I was wrong. This is just the first time you have seen it from me being new here.


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