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Old 12-17-2012, 11:34 AM   #9701
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LOL not saying you're gay.

Just that not every person in a "doomsday situation" will be an asshat looter. There are a few hundred thousand or a million people out there who are ex-mil with more formal training then you. You can't carry that amount of ammo so you're not quickly portable. If you hunker down anyone can take you out unless your location can withstand the heat/flames of a major fire, which unless you're way underground you can't, or even a truck running through it, homemade bomb, etc. Not too mention acquiring ammo goes both ways LOL. You say "asshat looters", but you do realize you'r a fool if you don' take their ammo? Odds are if you need to fire your weapon you're not gonna need ammo as you're not breathing or you're gonna be taking someone elses.

In any chaos type situation the best method to survival is not to be seen and never to be a target and that means portability because as you see people you need to leave the AO. You have no clue where people will be so the best method is to move where people are not and if people come around, leave. Hunkering down with that many supplies makes you one hell of a target and a non portable one.

However, luck plays just as big of a part as preperation if things ever got that bad. Thinking on your feet would be 20x more valuable then those who just hoard stuff and prepare. I would take any high trained military guy, SERE, SEAL, etc who is use to evading and attacking in small groups and being very portable over some person who thinks he can read a book and hunker down and survive a chaos/doomsday situation.

Just my .02 after a few years instructing SERE.
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:40 AM   #9702
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Old 12-17-2012, 01:25 PM   #9703
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Yes, it's a finer, faster burning powder. The pressures created would be 5-6x the standard SAMMI spec for the chamber. Well beyond the chamber metal's failure point. The bullet wouldn't be able to move fast enough to relieve the building pressure. Pipe Bomb 4 inches from your face. Bad day.
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Old 12-17-2012, 02:38 PM   #9704
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I think the odds of it coming to that point are low, but it's a possibility depending on how fast/hard things happen. Hopefully it never happens, but who knows as our debt could absolutely crush our economy if something isn't done fast (if it's even possible to fix at this point).
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Old 12-17-2012, 02:42 PM   #9705
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I decided today that I'm out on the frenzy that is in full swing. I really want a semi-auto .308 or PM version, or a .308 long barrel bolt action (for sniping courses) but .308 just costs too much and I have no where within an hour I could actually use it. I think 200 yards is the longest we have local so I'm going to stick with 5.56. I've been buying extra high cap magz over the last few years so no need to join the rush. Just going to wait for the January LE over-runs to come in and save on ammo as usual. I really want to burn some $ (tax return) coming but I need to stop myself.
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Old 12-17-2012, 02:43 PM   #9706
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I think the odds of it coming to that point are low, but it's a possibility depending on how fast/hard things happen. Hopefully it never happens, but who knows as our debt could absolutely crush our economy if something isn't done fast (if it's even possible to fix at this point).
Well if it got that bad. All our "toys" would mean dick, and it'd totally open us up for attack by another country. It's not like it was 160 years ago when it took weeks to cross the ocean, and days to get messages.
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Old 12-17-2012, 02:45 PM   #9707
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I decided today that I'm out on the frenzy that is in full swing. I really want a semi-auto .308 or PM version, or a .308 long barrel bolt action (for sniping courses) but .308 just costs too much and I have no where within an hour I could actually use it. I think 200 yards is the longest we have local so I'm going to stick with 5.56. I've been buying extra high cap magz over the last few years so no need to join the rush. Just going to wait for the January LE over-runs to come in and save on ammo as usual. I really want to burn some $ (tax return) coming but I need to stop myself.
I'm getting a 5.56, but plan on getting a bolt action Remington 700. Debating whether to go with .223, 22-250, or .308.
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Old 12-17-2012, 02:46 PM   #9708
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Hopefully it never happens, but who knows as our debt could absolutely crush our economy if something isn't done fast (if it's even possible to fix at this point).
No point worrying about the economy, there's still a hundred million law abiding citizens that need to be demonized/criminalized to give the country a "feel good" boost.
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I think the odds of it coming to that point are low, but it's a possibility depending on how fast/hard things happen. Hopefully it never happens, but who knows as our debt could absolutely crush our economy if something isn't done fast (if it's even possible to fix at this point).
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Old 12-17-2012, 02:54 PM   #9710
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No point worrying about the economy, there's still a hundred million law abiding citizens that need to be demonized/criminalized to give the country a "feel good" boost.
It took 20 kids deaths to get the heat off the government for the fiscal cliff. They will ride this wave as long as they can and put a stopgap measure in so they can put it off further. At least the reps gave in on taxes, now what?
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:36 PM   #9712
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I've been on several web-sites that sell high cap. mags......They are going fast!!!
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:52 PM   #9713
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A couple of them raised them a few dollars on the non window gen 2 .
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:20 PM   #9714
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Wow, the price difference is ridiculous

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemL...623&catid=6652

20's are now $13, Gen2 30's are $13 and the rest are $30
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:23 PM   #9715
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http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemL...623&catid=6652

20's are now $13, Gen2 30's are $13 and the rest are $30
Glad I ordered my 20's a few days ago. Those little buggers are already expensive let alone all this stuff going on.
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:27 PM   #9716
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The events of Friday reminded me of this movie from the early 90's. "Toy Soldiers"... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103112/ I know it's just a movie, but it kind of shows how easily it can happen. The reality of it is even more apparent now, and regardless if the US bans or stops producing guns. That doesn't mean other countries will, and not come here with them. I didn't want to post this any where else, and start up a bunch of sh!t.
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Wow, the price difference is ridiculous

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemL...623&catid=6652

20's are now $13, Gen2 30's are $13 and the rest are $30
WOW!!!!

Fellas I got a bad feeling about this. I think a ban of some sort will be passed in the next 6 months if not sooner. Most of you know that im a LEO and this ban scares the $hit out of me. The sad thing is that it will not do a damn thing to curb violence. I see it everyday being a beat cop with 13 1/2 years on the street. It seems lately that I have been watching the news and shaking my head and thinking..."These idiots just dont get it".
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Probably one of those situations where it has to get worse to get better.

I believe though that if they try and ban everything there will be a second coming with a revolt. No doomsday scenario just the simple fact the intelligent people and those who really believe in unrestricted freedoms will gather once again to set table straight.
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