R1 2008 vs 2009

[slick+r1=glory]

Originally Posted by Oilfieldtrash21

Mmmmmmmm.....pure sex right there! I do love the look and screaming of the '08, almost bought one before I got my '12. After getting mine tuned right, I would never go back to that "other" engine LOL. Just something about that torque.......and sound!!!!!! (My bike at the last trip to the dyno) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUZN61WJNNg

I just seen ur vid is it 174 whp or crank hp slip on y pipe I can't see whp I have a full graves low mount flash ecu bmc air and that graves pipe makes more horses then my other r1 with the full akrapovic evo system

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[slick+r1=glory]

I have both 07 10 Rossi and 12gp ed r1s its all about how u ride if ur a top end rider go with the 07-08 r1 if u don't do a lot of top speeds and like to curve ur bike go with the 09+ r1 and if u get a 09+ buy a graves low mount exhaust there is nothing out there that sounds like it except the m1 and if u buy the 07-08 rq go with the full akrapovic evo 2 ti for that real formula one sound

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[Blk08R1]

Im gonna have to go with 08

[Oilfieldtrash21]

Originally Posted by slick+r1=glory

I just seen ur vid is it 174 whp or crank hp slip on y pipe I can't see whp I have a full graves low mount flash ecu bmc air and that graves pipe makes more horses then my other r1 with the full akrapovic evo system

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No thats 174 whp with only those mods tuned for 93 pump gas. Should make a cpl more hp when we go back and tune each individual cyl. Just waiting to have bungs welded in each header tube after the holidays. Here's the chart. Red lines are the final tune that made repeated pulls at 174 whp. Blue line was what the bike was making at the beginning of the tuning session, added to graph for comparison. Top pair (red & blue) being hp, middle pair is torque and bottom pair is AFR's. Linear power band in the red line was made by moving the velocity stack lift point from 9250 rpm to 8000 rpm. Notice how by just making that change flattened out the dip in the powerband.

[Cerbyr1]

Originally Posted by IMSTuner

Ride a 08 and 09 plus to compare the bikes. I convicted my friend to get a 11 and after more then riding his bike I like the 08 better. The 08 is lighter and has more power output stock. With the same mods both bike has the same horse power. 09 plus the power comes on sooner in the rpm and the 07 to 08 power comes on around 7k to red line.

I love my 08 r1.


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me too.. i prefer the 07/08 to the later r1's in both handling and power.

the whole cross plane thing is good in theory but i race my r1 and in stock engine trim i couldnt see the benefit of the 09's+.. they are just too heavy and my 07 has no problems out driving them out of turns and passing on the straights.

dont get me wrong the cross plane has definate merit (as gp m1 has proved) but with the 09 r1 i believe yamaha went too conservative with the power outputs. its my opinion that they did that to avoid reliablity issues which is fine but now its time to start cranking those power numbers and trimming the weight down otherwise it will get left behind by the other manufacturers.

on the road however i am the 09 r1 would be much better though with more bottom end.. but for the outright performance i still think the 07/08 is the best package. but then i am based :P i own one haha

[Oilfieldtrash21]

Originally Posted by Cerbyr1

dont get me wrong the cross plane has definate merit (as gp m1 has proved) but with the 09 r1 i believe yamaha went too conservative with the power outputs. its my opinion that they did that to avoid reliablity issues which is fine but now its time to start cranking those power numbers and trimming the weight down otherwise it will get left behind by the other manufacturers.

I do agree that they went waaaay conservative on the power but I disagree with it being due to reliability. When my '12 was stock it made 159 whp, after the tuning and exhaust mods I gained 15 whp and a massively improved powerband. Most of the power gains were made from ignition timing. As far as an '07 pulling away on the straights, I got one you can try that against......

[slick+r1=glory]

Originally Posted by Oilfieldtrash21

No thats 174 whp with only those mods tuned for 93 pump gas. Should make a cpl more hp when we go back and tune each individual cyl. Just waiting to have bungs welded in each header tube after the holidays. Here's the chart. Red lines are the final tune that made repeated pulls at 174 whp. Blue line was what the bike was making at the beginning of the tuning session, added to graph for comparison. Top pair (red & blue) being hp, middle pair is torque and bottom pair is AFR's. Linear power band in the red line was made by moving the velocity stack lift point from 9250 rpm to 8000 rpm. Notice how by just making that change flattened out the dip in the powerband.

That's a nice chart

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[Oilfieldtrash21]

Originally Posted by slick+r1=glory

That's a nice chart

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Thanks. It helps to have a good tuner.

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[IMSTuner]

My bike

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHLXy-3zkhI

2008 R1 Leo Vince factory Ti Evo II and Akro Y-Pipe - Flash-Tune WHP 151.79

My friends bike ( same dyno same day )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzH40z5KgBk

2011 R1 Leo Vince factory CF Evo II and Leo Vince Y-Pipe - Flash-Tune WHP 152.11


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[OptimoPrime]

^^i have those same mods with airbox mod and i have 165 from my 09. why your readings so low?

[AKDMA]

Originally Posted by slick+r1=glory

I just seen ur vid is it 174 whp or crank hp slip on y pipe I can't see whp I have a full graves low mount flash ecu bmc air and that graves pipe makes more horses then my other r1 with the full akrapovic evo system

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The reason that number is so high is because it was done on a car dyno. I wish we could get 175hp on a stock engine and pump gas, but that's not happening. I'm not discounting his tune or anything, there are just limits to each platform.

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[IMSTuner]

Originally Posted by OptimoPrime

^^i have those same mods with airbox mod and i have 165 from my 09. why your readings so low?

Each dyno is going to give a different number. That was just a comparison of the 2 bikes on a dyno same day, dyno and outside temp. reading. You should get a stock dyno run and then get a dyno run on the same dyno with the same conditions. You would get a good idea of how much HP and TQ you gained with your mods. Your top hp reading doesn’t mean anything when you are comparing a dyno run from someone else’s HP reading on a different dyno.

Originally Posted by AKDMA

The reason that number is so high is because it was done on a car dyno. I wish we could get 175hp on a stock engine and pump gas, but that's not happening. I'm not discounting his tune or anything, there are just limits to each platform.

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Yup we are using both OTC maps on the 2 bikes. We are planning to get a dyno with the same tuner when I get my ais block off plates. I will have a base map run and atfer tune run with AF for both bikes. I don't expect the bikes to have that much of a difference in power but just where the power will come on and fall off.

[CupraR1]

Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash21

mmmmmmmm.....pure sex right there! I do love the look and screaming of the '08, almost bought one before i got my '12. After getting mine tuned right, i would never go back to that "other" engine lol. Just something about that torque.......and sound!!!!!! (my bike at the last trip to the dyno) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuzn61wjnng

wow

[Oilfieldtrash21]

Originally Posted by AKDMA

The reason that number is so high is because it was done on a car dyno. I wish we could get 175hp on a stock engine and pump gas, but that's not happening. I'm not discounting his tune or anything, there are just limits to each platform.

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Car dyno, yes. It also does bikes, the program is set up to adjust the brakes for them, the shop just didnt have the attachment for the front wheel. Regardless of what normally runs on it, the wheel turns a drum attached to a brake. Program adjusts eddy brakes accordingly, hence the settings for motorcycles. The numbers are legit, mustang dynos are know for real world readings. Look it up. Lets not start another dyno debate......

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[AKDMA]

Just saying, no other r1 has gotten those numbers without engine work. Burn-z has a better exhaust system, a full akra, instead of a 3/4, flashed ecu, etc, only made 155. Your bike isn't making twenty more HP. Your gains are what matters, not the output. I just think his dyno is mighty optimistic and i think many world agree. Otherwise you have the highest output crossplane with stock motor, and with your mods that's probably not likely. Just my .02. I'm really not trying to be negative, just realistic. I still think it's a great gain he made with you. The stack thing was a real surprise. Good innovation.

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[OptimoPrime]

^^ thought everyone with 3/4 exhuast, pcv, reflash, airbox mod was making 165

[Oilfieldtrash21]

Originally Posted by AKDMA

Just saying, no other r1 has gotten those numbers without engine work. Burn-z has a better exhaust system, a full akra, instead of a 3/4, flashed ecu, etc, only made 155. Your bike isn't making twenty more HP. Your gains are what matters, not the output. I just think his dyno is mighty optimistic and i think many world agree. Otherwise you have the highest output crossplane with stock motor, and with your mods that's probably not likely. Just my .02. I'm really not trying to be negative, just realistic. I still think it's a great gain he made with you. The stack thing was a real surprise. Good innovation.

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Peak power wasnt our goal, a usuable powerband was. The majority of the gains were made from ignition timing. '12 timing is very conservative, so we used a '11 stock timing map to start with. I don't see how my numbers are so unrealistic when N4speed made 171whp over in the FT thread plus another member was in the 170's. As far as exhaust go, you MIGHT see a 1 or 2 hp difference between brands. Just because someone has an Akra system on their bike doesn't mean they are instantly going to make every ounce of hp available or entitled to make more hp than my bike with a cheaper system. Its all in the tuning not the exhaust. As long as you have a free flowing path for the gasses escape they dont care what the name plate says on the canister. Im not turning this thread in to another debate with you when other members in another thread are posting up #'s in the 170's also and they don't recieve near the criticism . Those are perfectly achievable #'s on a stock engine with bolt ons. In the end it comes down to the tuner, you get what you pay for.

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[CMRAsloguy]

Originally Posted by Oilfieldtrash21

Thanks. It helps to have a good tuner.

And a (more than) generous dyno/dyno operator. People are easily tricked. I wonder what mine would make on that same one!?

[CMRAsloguy]

Originally Posted by Oilfieldtrash21

Peak power wasnt our goal... an Akra system ... you get what you pay for.

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Many questions.... like if peak power WAS your goal, what would you and your monster pump gas R1 have gotten??

Also, if there's not a difference in MGFR's I'm assuming you don't understand flow velocity? A full system made that way from the get go compared to a full system made out of a y-pipe, some slip-ons, and later down the road some headers, those two different setups.... are going to make the same power?

This is getting entertaining! Please, continue!

[MattDeRoche]

My wife caught me watching your video....accused me of cheatiung >D Very nice man