Pilot powers 2ct

[PARKER10]

I just converted from dunlop qualifiers to pp2ct's, there isn't even a comparison between the two. The 2ct totally take the cake! They take the turns much better and the front wheel doesn't feel like it wants to slip out from under my bike any more. I went with a 180 rear and I think that helped out allot as well, I deffinately have more confidence in what my bike is going to do in the corners. I haven't taken them to the track yet so this comparison is based on spirited street riding.

[Bogie]

Wonder is they make a set for the Max??

I have heard nothing but good things from everyone who runs those tires bro!!

[WackBagPest]

Take your time and dial in your suspension, the Pilot Powers have one of the steepest profiles, so you will feel a quicker turn in no doubt. I've ran the 2CT's during one track day late this year, they did good. Not sure if I will try them in the middle of summer, but they are great tires. Bogie, what sizes does your max run? 9 times out of 10 they will. I've got a great hook up on the Michelins, let me know when you are ready to try a set.

[PARKER10]

Originally Posted by WackBagPest

Take your time and dial in your suspension, the Pilot Powers have one of the steepest profiles, so you will feel a quicker turn in no doubt. I've ran the 2CT's during one track day late this year, they did good. Not sure if I will try them in the middle of summer, but they are great tires. Bogie, what sizes does your max run? 9 times out of 10 they will. I've got a great hook up on the Michelins, let me know when you are ready to try a set.

No dought, The first road I went down when I got them put on was a road I am very familiar with. Some nice corners, gradual inclines and declines and a few little bridges, it felt like a completely different road as far as entry speed and the way they seemed to just pull me around the turns. I also put a SS
-1/+1 520 set on and it and its just way more responsive and a better riding experience overall for me. I am going to have to fiddle with the suspension settings on the front though, it feels a little to soft for me. I would like it to stay planted down a little better, I guess it's time to bust out the service manual again and see if I can figure it out.

[WackBagPest]

let me know if you have any questions or can't seem to get it right and I'll help you out.

[PARKER10]

Originally Posted by WackBagPest

let me know if you have any questions or can't seem to get it right and I'll help you out.

Thanks Bro I appreciate that

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[DavidGS]

I have the Qualifiers on one bike, and PP on the other. Both are R1's. Either tire works quite well. I can't tell a difference, both stick well for a street tire.

[PARKER10]

Originally Posted by DavidGS

I have the Qualifiers on one bike, and PP on the other. Both are R1's. Either tire works quite well. I can't tell a difference, both stick well for a street tire.

No way man the 2ct's are way better, I noticed right away. With the qualifiers my front tire seemed like it always wanted to slip out from under the bike when ever I went into a turn aggressively. Has not happened since I switched to the 2ct's. I'm sure either one is fine if you are riding through the city and just cruising around, but I wouldn't to much trust in the qualifiers at an up tempo.

[WackBagPest]

As a commuter tire the Dunlop Q's are fine, In my opinion that is....BUT once the pace is turned up I can't trust them as much and spin up is just terrible compared to 2CT's. I know an R1 is gonna spin up any back tire, but there is a difference between the two. I can take the Q's and find there limit way to easy, the Michelins offer an incredible grip, feedback, turn in, an when they are really cranked over, I am no where near as concerned about rolling on the throttle a little earlier than usual. Like I said before, for early spring or late fall, they are even a good track day tire. They might even do well if you are really fast come summer time. I just find that in summer the track heat makes most tires "greasy" after a few hot laps. Just my 2 cents.

[PARKER10]

Whats up wakbag, I haven't had a chance to ride since I messed with the suspension. I'm hoping to get a ride in this week thou, its been to windy for me. I just tightened the preload and the dampening a little bit, I don't rely know what the hell I'm doing. I'm just going to move it around till it feels right. I just moved them like a quarter turn and I'll see what it does, by the way I weigh about 180 with all my gear on if you got any input.

Thanks in advance

[PARKER10]

Right now the preload is on the fourth line and three clicks to the right for the dampening (from stock)

[1fastmf]

Originally Posted by blparker10

Right now the preload is on the fourth line and three clicks to the right for the dampening (from stock)

You might want to pick up this DVD. I just got mine about a week or so ago. I already feel a little more comfortable making some changes to my bike. I've set the front and rear preload so far, and am just waiting for a few more riding opportunities to work on the compression and rebound.

It's very informative, infact there are things that Max discusses on the DVD that I had no clue affected the suspension characteristics of the bike, like the sprockets and chain tightness, etc. Its definately worth the $50.

http://www.traxxion.com/store/detail...oduct_id=SUS4V

P.S. I made a little excel spreadsheet for recording your preload figures and calculating the Free Sag, Rider Sag, etc (as per Traxxion defination). Let me know if you would like it.

[WackBagPest]

I went through Traxxion for my suspension, I got there AK-20 kit and a Penske Triple clicker. The video is a little long but if you can manage to pay attention and take notes it really does help. I never was a suspension rider until I found my limits and the bikes limits. blparker10, I can't help you as far as a baseline setting goes. Put some time in the seat and take some notes as to what it's doing that you don't like and then I can help with some suggestions as to what to try first. The important thing is to keep your adjustments simple and to write them down. Just adjust one thing at a time. Another thing to remember is, don't bother with messing with your suspension until you get your static sag set. If you bought your bike new from a dealer, most will do it once for free. If not you and a 2 friends can walk through it in about an hour. Then you can start tweaking on it. Suspension is one of those things that most riders are afraid to mess with, but with a little research and some study time it will make all the difference in the world.

[PARKER10]

Hey fastmf and wakbag, thanks for the link guys. I just ordered the video, I should be able to get it set up right with it. Fastbag I'll deffinately get back to you for some suggestions after I get the sag set up, for now I'm just going to put everything back to stock untill I get the video. I'm also going to give my dealer a call and see if they will set it up for me like you said. Again thanks for the info guys, I'll get back after I get the vid.

[WackBagPest]

Hey glad I could help. Just remember to take your time and don't get frustrated, once its done you won't believe the difference it makes.

[PARKER10]

I'm actually looking forward to making all the little tedious adjustments just so I can see exactly what everything does and how it effects the bike. It will give me a good weekend project.

[1fastmf]

Hey Guys,

You know how everything you read tells you to take notes, and measure..yadda, yadda...So I created some simple docs for taking my measurements and recording the changes. They are helping me keep track of what is going on. If they work for you great, if not its no biggie.

***WARNING****
Some of the settings in the docs that are labeled as "Standard" or "Factory" pertain to the 2002-2003 specifically. Obviously you can look up the values in your particular year's owners manual and change as needed.

I made 3 simple documents.

1. SuspensionSAG.doc

A document to record the values you need to determine the SAG for your bike. The terminology and values in this document come from that of the Traxxion DVD. So you may want to fully understand what they consider the following: "Full Extension", "Free Sag", "Rider Sag", "Sticktion UP", "Sticktion Down", and "Acceptable and Unacceptable Sticktion"
I created the Letter values to help you with the equations.


2. 2002R1-SuspensionTemplate.doc

This document is to help you record ALL of your suspension settings, and let you know the full range of adjustment for each component. It also lists the factory default value, so you always has something to reference. This also has a simple things like date, time, and notes, so assuming you print this form out and have a couple sheets in the garage anytime you screw around with the bike it should make recording and tracking your changes a little easier.

3. MotorcycleSAG-Worksheet.xls

This is an excel spread sheet that has all the formulas from document #1 above already built in. As you will see when you load it up, its got some of my current measurements in it as an example. I also added a few more columns to be able to track the changes to the values as I made changes to the preload. I've only made changes to the front forks so far. The goal is to be within the "Ideal Free Sag" & "Ideal Rider Sag" when you are done tweaking the bike. Again this is based off of the terminology learned from the Traxxion Dynamics DVD.

I just made these docs to try and keep track of stuff for myself. Maybe it will be of help to the rest of you.

Later!

P.S. Measurements may differ from depending on where YOU measure from. The point isnt the amount so much, as the DIFFERENCE or DELTA you come up with. So the main thing is make sure you are always consistent with WHERE you take you measurements from. They don't need to match mine.

Example. My Fork Extensions are measured from the TOP of the Triple Clamp down to the where the Fork Slider rests on the stanchion (sp?). (upside down forks)
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[xdonniedarkox]

Mazi!
Damn thats cool bro... didnt realize you were working on it this much.

I did the same thing all last year.

Fresh set of 2ct's coming for me.

Originally Posted by 1fastmf

Hey Guys,

You know how everything you read tells you to take notes, and measure..yadda, yadda...So I created some simple docs for taking my measurements and recording the changes. They are helping me keep track of what is going on. If they work for you great, if not its no biggie.

***WARNING****
Some of the settings in the docs that are labeled as "Standard" or "Factory" pertain to the 2002-2003 specifically. Obviously you can look up the values in your particular year's owners manual and change as needed.

I made 3 simple documents.

1. SuspensionSAG.doc

A document to record the values you need to determine the SAG for your bike. The terminology and values in this document come from that of the Traxxion DVD. So you may want to fully understand what they consider the following: "Full Extension", "Free Sag", "Rider Sag", "Sticktion UP", "Sticktion Down", and "Acceptable and Unacceptable Sticktion"
I created the Letter values to help you with the equations.


2. 2002R1-SuspensionTemplate.doc

This document is to help you record ALL of your suspension settings, and let you know the full range of adjustment for each component. It also lists the factory default value, so you always has something to reference. This also has a simple things like date, time, and notes, so assuming you print this form out and have a couple sheets in the garage anytime you screw around with the bike it should make recording and tracking your changes a little easier.

3. MotorcycleSAG-Worksheet.xls

This is an excel spread sheet that has all the formulas from document #1 above already built in. As you will see when you load it up, its got some of my current measurements in it as an example. I also added a few more columns to be able to track the changes to the values as I made changes to the preload. I've only made changes to the front forks so far. The goal is to be within the "Ideal Free Sag" & "Ideal Rider Sag" when you are done tweaking the bike. Again this is based off of the terminology learned from the Traxxion Dynamics DVD.

I just made these docs to try and keep track of stuff for myself. Maybe it will be of help to the rest of you.

Later!

P.S. Measurements may differ from depending on where YOU measure from. The point isnt the amount so much, as the DIFFERENCE or DELTA you come up with. So the main thing is make sure you are always consistent with WHERE you take you measurements from. They don't need to match mine.

Example. My Fork Extensions are measured from the TOP of the Triple Clamp down to the where the Fork Slider rests on the stanchion (sp?). (upside down forks)
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[PARKER10]

Originally Posted by 1fastmf

Hey Guys,

You know how everything you read tells you to take notes, and measure..yadda, yadda...So I created some simple docs for taking my measurements and recording the changes. They are helping me keep track of what is going on. If they work for you great, if not its no biggie.

***WARNING****
Some of the settings in the docs that are labeled as "Standard" or "Factory" pertain to the 2002-2003 specifically. Obviously you can look up the values in your particular year's owners manual and change as needed.

I made 3 simple documents.

1. SuspensionSAG.doc

A document to record the values you need to determine the SAG for your bike. The terminology and values in this document come from that of the Traxxion DVD. So you may want to fully understand what they consider the following: "Full Extension", "Free Sag", "Rider Sag", "Sticktion UP", "Sticktion Down", and "Acceptable and Unacceptable Sticktion"
I created the Letter values to help you with the equations.


2. 2002R1-SuspensionTemplate.doc

This document is to help you record ALL of your suspension settings, and let you know the full range of adjustment for each component. It also lists the factory default value, so you always has something to reference. This also has a simple things like date, time, and notes, so assuming you print this form out and have a couple sheets in the garage anytime you screw around with the bike it should make recording and tracking your changes a little easier.

3. MotorcycleSAG-Worksheet.xls

This is an excel spread sheet that has all the formulas from document #1 above already built in. As you will see when you load it up, its got some of my current measurements in it as an example. I also added a few more columns to be able to track the changes to the values as I made changes to the preload. I've only made changes to the front forks so far. The goal is to be within the "Ideal Free Sag" & "Ideal Rider Sag" when you are done tweaking the bike. Again this is based off of the terminology learned from the Traxxion Dynamics DVD.

I just made these docs to try and keep track of stuff for myself. Maybe it will be of help to the rest of you.

Later!

P.S. Measurements may differ from depending on where YOU measure from. The point isnt the amount so much, as the DIFFERENCE or DELTA you come up with. So the main thing is make sure you are always consistent with WHERE you take you measurements from. They don't need to match mine.

Example. My Fork Extensions are measured from the TOP of the Triple Clamp down to the where the Fork Slider rests on the stanchion (sp?). (upside down forks)
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Wow, Thanks man! These are good. Definitely going to try these.

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[Dream_Dreas]

Originally Posted by WackBagPest

I went through Traxxion for my suspension, I got there AK-20 kit and a Penske Triple clicker. The video is a little long but if you can manage to pay attention and take notes it really does help. I never was a suspension rider until I found my limits and the bikes limits. blparker10, I can't help you as far as a baseline setting goes. Put some time in the seat and take some notes as to what it's doing that you don't like and then I can help with some suggestions as to what to try first. The important thing is to keep your adjustments simple and to write them down. Just adjust one thing at a time. Another thing to remember is, don't bother with messing with your suspension until you get your static sag set. If you bought your bike new from a dealer, most will do it once for free. If not you and a 2 friends can walk through it in about an hour. Then you can start tweaking on it. Suspension is one of those things that most riders are afraid to mess with, but with a little research and some study time it will make all the difference in the world.

Excuse my ignorance, but what is this Static sag set? I need to start adjusting my suspension as well.