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Old 07-20-2012, 01:08 PM   #1
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What kind of power does the Graves Monster R1 make?

I'm curious, doesn't seem to be available knowledge.

It looks like Haye's bike has more power than Blake's Suzuki. But I find that hard to believe, as the crossplanes start out so much less.

From what I've seen with others building the crossplane, it's just never going to compete as far as peak power is concerned. But obviously something is working right with the Graves / Monster Yamaha's.
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You won't find the info you're looking for, Graves never discloses the numbers those bikes make, and you'll be surprised how much power you can get out of the cross plane motors, according to the owner of 666 racing, which is the guy that used to build the bodywork for Ben Spies bikes, the air box is a key part for making a lot more power, obviously the stock air box is very restrictive .
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You won't find the info you're looking for, Graves never discloses the numbers those bikes make, and you'll be surprised how much power you can get out of the cross plane motors, according to the owner of 666 racing, which is the guy that used to build the bodywork for Ben Spies bikes, the air box is a key part for making a lot more power, obviously the stock air box is very restrictive .


I believe the Factory race teams disclose this information ala wikipedia... Not so much for private teams. All in all, these guys spend thousands if not millions in R&D to develop their race bikes... So anything is possible
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Old 07-20-2012, 01:24 PM   #4
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Does anyone sell a more effective airbox?
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Old 07-20-2012, 01:25 PM   #5
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You won't find the info you're looking for, Graves never discloses the numbers those bikes make, and you'll be surprised how much power you can get out of the cross plane motors, according to the owner of 666 racing, which is the guy that used to build the bodywork for Ben Spies bikes, the air box is a key part for making a lot more power, obviously the stock air box is very restrictive .
I remember reading that in that other thread.

But it was so secretive, super secret airboxes from Yamaha, lease only, severe repercussions for leaking it and all that crap.

I mean how much different can they make it? It seems a good airflow study would allow just about anyone with the equipment and knowledge be able to design an airbox that can flow more air at more pressure at speed than the engine could possibly use.

I remember in that same thread it was mentioned that an otherwise stock crossplane motor was stuffed into a SBK chassis (with the secret squirrel airbox) and made 189hp. But that was second or third hand information.

The xplane by design is not a peak power kind of engine, so I'd be surprised if they are making more power than the other teams.

Then again...maybe they are sneaking some GP tech in? I dunno...I think the rules for AMA builds are pretty strict aren't they?
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Does anyone sell a more effective airbox?
Maybe LacoMoto? (Correct me if I'm wrong)

http://www.lacomoto.com/en/65-2009-12
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Old 07-20-2012, 01:27 PM   #7
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Does anyone sell a more effective airbox?
Not that I've seen.
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I don't see one there. I switched to an open top carbon airbox on my RC and it dropped a ton of weight and gave it about 7 rwhp.
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yah no way you can get that info..

but yes the crossplane can put out a good deal more HP than you
may think... i know with a proper re-flash you still leave 15%
untouched, but then thats for long life and relieability,

heck
they're running a race prepped YEC ECU & HARNESS..

i think in the end it comes down to cooling on the crossplane, keep
that baby nice n' chilled and she'll put out.
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yah no way you can get that info..

but yes the crossplane can put out a good deal more HP than you
may think... i know with a proper re-flash you still leave 15%
untouched, but then thats for long life and relieability, heck
they're running a race prepped YEC ECU HARNESS..

i think in the end it comes down to cooling on the crossplane, keep
that baby nice n' chilled and she'll put out.
Sounds like a lot of my ex-girlfriends back in the day
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No doubt...I love the crossplane. It's more than enough for me at stock-ish power mine makes.

And a couple thousand bucks I could get a nicely built one to rip my arms off. But no thanks to that! I'm too lame of a rider for that.

Ah well I guess I'll never know.

What do y'all think about Hayes' bike vs Young's? Does the R1 make more juice?
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I might start looking for a used/salvage xplane for track use
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any guessimates a least? 190whp? 200whp? with a nasty flat tq & hp curve?
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i think in the end it comes down to cooling on the crossplane, keep
that baby nice n' chilled and she'll put out.
actually, in motor design, the hotter the cylinder temps get, the more power you make up till you start to melt things, then it becomes bad, what you want is colder air, cold air is dense air, the more air you can get into a motor, the more power you make.
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Maybe LacoMoto? (Correct me if I'm wrong)

http://www.lacomoto.com/en/65-2009-12
where do you see that??

I heard there was a guy that said he could do the airbox but Yamaha threatened a lawsuit. those are for the factory teams...they can't be bought and the teams have to send them back from what i understand.
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where do you see that??

I heard there was a guy that said he could do the airbox but Yamaha threatened a lawsuit. those are for the factory teams...they can't be bought and the teams have to send them back from what i understand.
Mybad, only the ramair tubes are up for sale

Where is the guy? Who took pics of the airbox? I need answers!
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Maybe LacoMoto? (Correct me if I'm wrong)

http://www.lacomoto.com/en/65-2009-12
You're looking at the air box cover, I'm talking about the actual air box , where the air filter and throttle bodies are.
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I think 190ish to 200 would be a fair estimate. An airbox alone will not give any engine 40 odd hp more on its own. Power is made in the cylinder head and cam selection. The Suzuki probably has more peak power,but the Graves R1 probably has a nicer curve and better delivery too. The '09 Spies won the SBK championship on had about 220 or more and was said to be the hardest '09 SBK to ride according to a testing journalist. I believe he used the term "brutal" describing its power delivery,like a highly tuned two stroke either "off" or "on". I'm sure there are gains to be had from a different airbox,but other parts are needed to realize its full potential. I can see one giving a stock crossplane 7-10 or more hp like AKDMA got from an RC51,the lid especially looks like Yamaha had the EPA in mind when designing it.
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