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Old 07-24-2012, 02:23 PM   #1
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09-13 R1 Affordable Works Radiator

Hi Guys,

I wanted to introduce myself. A few months ago I posted about some beta testing I was doing for a radiator company. Well All my hard work paid off and I now have four production units in hand. Like I just mentioned we were testing a prototype "3 phase" radiator in a 1 piece design. We saw significant cooling capacity and temperature drops. As we all know the 09+ R1's tend to run a little hot easily reaching the 200+ degree marker. Know imagine running a cool 170~180!!! We have done extensive testing and have pushed the prototype to the limits! On a normal day we were seeing temps of 167F on a hot day we saw temps around 179F. In the following preliminary testing video the outside temps were in the hi 60's low 70's. We had the dyno fans turned OFF so that the motor could heat up to temp and the highest we were able to acheive that day was on this video... 192F! At one point Brian asked me to turn the fans on and you can see that at the end of the video. Pay close attention to how well the temps drop even at high load and high rpms! The video speaks for itself the product works and we have been running the radiator for months now. Below you will find a video of the preliminary load testing and photos of the end product.

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Some important information.
This system will include the following:

Rock Guard Screen
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Brackets for ECU and HID Ballast

This system will fit OEM plastics with some trimming and minor adjustments. Also, you may be able to reuse some of your OEM hoses if desired or you can order hoses straight from SAMCO.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Mike
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Old 07-24-2012, 02:24 PM   #2
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MSRP: $1500 with new Manufacturer Rebate!!!

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Old 07-24-2012, 02:25 PM   #3
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Define trimming and adjusting? And what price we talking about as i am very interested.

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Old 07-24-2012, 02:34 PM   #4
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Looks cool, but $2500 outta my range right now. Excellent work though....
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Old 07-24-2012, 02:41 PM   #5
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Trimming would mean cutting the lower front section right behind the tire to accommodate the longer length. Again this is only on stock plastics.

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Old 07-24-2012, 02:42 PM   #6
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Adjustments just mean that you would have to adjust where the ECU and HID ballast sit inside the fairing.

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Old 07-24-2012, 02:43 PM   #7
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I can do this for a special: $2400 shipped
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Old 07-24-2012, 03:11 PM   #8
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Wow looks sweet! Price is steep though...still nice work.
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Old 07-24-2012, 03:34 PM   #9
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Wow looks sweet! Price is steep though...still nice work.
We did a market comparison. This is a third of the price of the actual "works" radiator and that is what we have built. We are also including a rock guard and brackets. This is also a thicker radiator and the FIRST Full One Piece Core Radiator which has significant advantages over what other manufacturers are making.

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Old 07-24-2012, 04:50 PM   #10
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Hi.. don't get mad at me... but even if the radiator was 1.000 usd, i would still think that is too much for a par.. that, in my opinion should be lessa than 500usd..

at least.. comparead to a car radiator.. that, isenīt too much of a diference.. but stil... looks great !!

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Old 07-24-2012, 04:50 PM   #11
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$2,500 is a little steep but give me a few weeks. I might wanna try this out! Anything to keep the temp down. Just can't let the wife know how much it is and I will be fine lol
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:15 PM   #12
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RTM Imola sells a full race radiator for $1000Eu and FTR Moto sells theirs for $1000GBP which make them about $1300 and $1700 US. FTR is a very well known name in Moto2/3 and MGP CRT bikes. They aren't showing their catalog anymore as I'm sure they're busy enough building race bikes that they don't have time to sell to the public now.

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Old 07-24-2012, 05:22 PM   #13
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Hi.. don't get mad at me... but even if the radiator was 1.000 usd, i would still think that is too much for a par.. that, in my opinion should be lessa than 500usd..

at least.. comparead to a car radiator.. that, isenīt too much of a diference.. but stil... looks great !!

good luck
No Worries. There is a big difference in how this unit is made and how a car unit is made. To give you a heads up:

Car units are flat and relatively simple in design.
Car units also are made in HUGE bulk.
Car units are also made by machine and not hand made.

These units have a curve and a taper which means they have to be made by hand. The Radiators also are being made in smaller batches which costs a lot more. The works units also take more time to make and are under a higher quality standard at my request. CSF is known for High quality racing radiators in the automotive market and they have partnered with me to enter the bike market. If there is enough interest for an add on cooler or just an OEM replacement we will see. Also if there is enough interest I may be able to run a group buy scenario and offer a substantial discount.

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Old 07-24-2012, 05:32 PM   #14
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RTM Imola sells a full race radiator for $1000Eu and FTR Moto sells theirs for $1000GBP which make them about $1300 and $1700 US. FTR is a very well known name in Moto2/3 and MGP CRT bikes. They aren't showing their catalog anymore as I'm sure they're busy enough building race bikes that they don't have time to sell to the public now.

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Thanks for your post! We have looked at the market offerings. We have looked at the lead times and availability of the units. We have also looked at the how the units are made and the designs of each.

The first unit you posted is a 2 piece unit and is not as efficient as a 1 piece core. It is the equivalent of an OEM unit plus an add on unit as far as efficiency goes. Our Core is thicker and utilizes CSF's B-Tube technology which enables us to get more air across the surface of each tube making the unit more efficient. As you mentioned the availability is hard to come by and they are made to order and are built by hand. We received similar units to these to compare against and the units we received were not nearly as efficient. ... The second unit you posted is an Add on unit and not a full radiator... It is also a flat unit which is cheaper to manufacture.

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Old 07-24-2012, 05:53 PM   #15
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Nice looking unit for sure,the people really interested in this would want to see it closer to a grand. You would sell alot of them at that cost IMO. Honestly don't see much of a market at those prices unless it was a race only bike and it was really needed. Looks like a great unit, but most will spend the money on an Ohlins fork or shock or full ex. before a rad. Great idea,just need to sell alot more to get the price down a bunch. Even a group buy would need to be closer to at the most $1500, Good Luck ! I'm sure you'll sell a few anyway.
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:15 PM   #16
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Thanks for the compliments guys. Again there is a lot that goes into the product and the costs are what they are. I would love to be able to offer you guys something in that price range. However, with the costs where they are its just not in the cards at the moment.

In our market analysis this was a big topic that was covered (pricing). We understand that yes you could buy an exhaust or some suspension goodies. However, we know that in order to make this engine reliable for modding the cooling factor had to be addressed. You can only do so much to this engine until you run into major cooling issues and sustainability of power. This product was designed to meet that need so that you can run it harder for longer. This product is going to unlock a lot of potential for this motor.

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Old 07-24-2012, 07:39 PM   #17
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Hi Mike@UAM:

Nice to meet you, and see your great products. I love your rad dude

1-What is the cap number 1.1 1.5 1.8?
2-Ist direct bolt on same stock hoses locations, and bolts?
3-If the hoses location change do you have the alternate hoses location comes with the RAD?
4-Ist suitable for street use and very hot weather?

Please let me know.
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Old 07-24-2012, 08:45 PM   #18
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Picture of it installed. And header clearance. Oil filter changes are a bitch on this bike already.
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Hi Mike@UAM:

Nice to meet you, and see your great products. I love your rad dude

1-What is the cap number 1.1 1.5 1.8?
2-Ist direct bolt on same stock hoses locations, and bolts?
3-If the hoses location change do you have the alternate hoses location comes with the RAD?
4-Ist suitable for street use and very hot weather?

Please let me know.
1. 1.1 with the option for other caps as well.
2. It is direct bolt on system. On the prototype we reused the large Main feed hose on the left side. We made new hoses from goodyear flexible automotive hoses. I would recommend using SAMCO's flexible hoses. Also, You will be removing the plastic coolant line that goes across the headers. So in conclusion you will have both hoses on the left hand side.
3. Answer is in number 2.
4. This system was designed to be able to fit and work on a stock streetbike as well as racebikes and has been tested in lots of weather conditions including the recent 105+ weather in GA lately (includes humidity and heat).

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Will it fit in front of the stock header? That cross over between cylinders pushes the tube out some. I've seen how close a race rad fits with a full system and it's still close
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