Installed a PCV. Installation went smoothly. I have my reservations regarding the TPS crimper, but owell. The very first ride I took after installing the PCV, I noticed a flat spot. I have pinpointed, I believe, the area. It appears to be at ~ 4800 to 5200 RPM. Never had an issue prior to the PCV being installed. The flat spot rears its ugly head in gear 2, 3, 4 at least. If you goose the throttle before 4800, you can roll right through the flat spot and never hit it. If you goose it in that range though = significant stutter. This is turning out to be a problem, as when in traffic, bursting inbetween cars, etc., it turns out that 4800 - 5200 is where I usually am. Is this issue merely a matter of going in and smoothing out the map I installed, or is there another more serious issue? The map I use was meant for Yoshi slipons and aftermarket/stock air filter. Thanks in advance for any help!
slider996 - Input the values that I posted earlier. To try this though you need the stock sensor installed in the exhaust AND the Auto tune sensor.
All PCV units are setup with the speed and gear calibrated. All you have to do is take a wire and connect it to your speed sensor signal wire (PINK) and then run it into the corresponding input of the PCV.
The bike I am running has a full Graves exhaust on it. I intentionally installed the Akrapovic map so the Auto tune would need to do some work. I then input the values I posted for gears 2-6th. I then made the target AFR tables 13.2 everywhere for all gears. I did NOT input target values for 0-2% columns in any gear.
slider996 - Input the values that I posted earlier. To try this though you need the stock sensor installed in the exhaust AND the Auto tune sensor.
All PCV units are setup with the speed and gear calibrated. All you have to do is take a wire and connect it to your speed sensor signal wire (PINK) and then run it into the corresponding input of the PCV.
The bike I am running has a full Graves exhaust on it. I intentionally installed the Akrapovic map so the Auto tune would need to do some work. I then input the values I posted for gears 2-6th. I then made the target AFR tables 13.2 everywhere for all gears. I did NOT input target values for 0-2% columns in any gear.
I hooked up the speed sensor to the PCV today and loaded the map you posted for advanced gear mode. I have the stock O2 sensor installed. The low end runs pretty good now. I will try to install the AT soon.
UPDATE 10-26-09: I went out for a long canyon ride yesterday to test out the new settings using advanced gear mode and the O2 sensor. I must say that it is running fantastic now! However on a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being completely satisfied, I would give it a 9. I'm sure the map for the closed loop area that DJR has provided above could be dialed in better for my particular bike on the dyno now. I can still tell that it is just off by a RCH!
i hooked up the stock o2 sensor today, ran the zero'd map from 2, 5% TPS, 0-6000rpm all zeros, well it ran like total crap, stuttering down low, almost got me into a wreck at partial throttle at full lean, really pissed off now, I re-installed the o2 controller and took it for a brief ride, things are back to drivable, I want that other o2 controller when y'all are finished screwing around with it. Just waiting to move back to North Carolina so I can get the bike tuned, not gonna do it out here in Hawaii, no point really even to have this Power Commander on it.
If a bike rolls thru here with that setup we will certainly map it and post it up. Most slip-ons will require a very similar fuel curve so the Graves slip-on with cat eliminator map should work well for you.
I have that map on the bike now, but it runs kinda rich for central TX I think. I know a shop with a dyno, maybe I'll grow a pair and spend the money for a custom map.
I like the PC5 tho,,,,nice improvement. Isn't there an additional DynoJet item you sell to 'uncork' this beast? Sorry, whole nother topic....:crash
I can't get this combination to work right the way I like so I am goiing to get my ecunleashed and then I will have 100% throttle,plus the closed loop area will be gone. That will allow for the PCV and Autotuner to work like it should. Thanks for all the info and attempts to get it right. I'm not one to spend all this money on my bike to just jerry-rig it around this closed loop problem.
I have it on a couple bikes around here and things are working good. I need to check another bike today and if that looks good I will send some to a few of you guys for feedback.
This solution requires you to retain your stock O2 sensor in the exhaust. So those that are using Auto tune will need to add a bung to their exhaust.
I have it on a couple bikes around here and things are working good. I need to check another bike today and if that looks good I will send some to a few of you guys for feedback.
This solution requires you to retain your stock O2 sensor in the exhaust. So those that are using Auto tune will need to add a bung to their exhaust.
Just a thought: Is it possible to make a wiring harness that would retain the stock O2 sensor but it would T-off to the Autotune module? That way it could be used for the closed loop area as well as for autotuning. You could still use the maps for advanced gear mode on the PCV and zero out the closed loop area on the Autotuner. I'm thinking that way we don't need to weld on another port for two O2 sensors.
So whats the story with this thing, did we figure it all out or is the auto tune garbage, i bought this thing so I wouldn't have to keep paying for tune time everytime I make a damn change to my bike.
Can someone who knows what they are doing help me out here, electronics have always been my kryptonite.
The problem is not with the Auto tune. I have contacted a few members thru PM and they have stated that they no longer have the issue by doing the changes that I stated earlier in this post.
intresting. What are they doing on the dyno with just a PCV then with no auto tune. i.e custom map. Sorry for the ignorance. And has this worked out with the trims set spelled out in the past pages? What if having the two 02 sensors installed? Would that make any differance. One next to the other. Just need to weld in the second bung for the auto tune and keep the stock one in place?
Help Brazil
Good afternoon everyone, I'm a fanatic admirer of motorcycles R1 and owner of a 2009 white, sorry for the way I'm writing because I am Brazilian and I'm using google translator to communicate, I appreciate everyone's attention and ask for help with my r1 2009! My bike is all original but I equipala with what's best for her, I would like tips on what would be the best full exhaust system, air filter, power, ignition module ... akrapovic, yoshimura, vance .... ??
SlideRR - Without Auto tune the problem is less apparent as Auto tune is not trying to fight the issue. This problem also seems to be random as we have less than .05% of people complaining of running issues. I have a few bikes in town running around with the map changes and they have not complained of anything since. If you leave the stock sensor in the exhaust and connected to the harness that is not a problem except that it will run at around 14.7:1 in the closed loop area. For the bikes we have done with Auto tune we mount the Auto tune sensor behind the R.H rearset. The sensor is basically pointing forward. Makes for a clean install as you can't really see the sensor at all.
If you run the PCV and O2 controller as received with a custom map you will more than likely not have any issues. I would have the shop that is doing the tuning input the values that I suggested and map it from there WITHOUT the O2 controller and you should be good to go.
If you run the PCV and O2 controller as received with a custom map you will more than likely not have any issues. I would have the shop that is doing the tuning input the values that I suggested and map it from there WITHOUT the O2 controller and you should be good to go.
I still have a few questions on the matter since I'm getting my PCV tomorrow. I'm guessing that all i have to do is keep the stock O2 sensor and plug in a regular map for my set up and that's it? Or do I need to do something else? My mods are gytr slip ons with smog block plates with everthing else is stock. Easy enough I would think.
Well now that I have the PCV in hand I was wondering if I should plug in the little black box for the o2 or keep the Stock o2 in its place. All I'm running is the slipons and smog block offs.
Have installation finished, the map that Im running is XX-XX-002, I think its the graves slipons, y pipe. wonder if that would be the most correct one for what I have which is GYTR slipons, akrapovic y pipe, and smog block offs. I assume that this will be fine, can anyone else back that up?
I know slipons are slipons and y pipe are y pipes.
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