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post #41 of 106 (permalink) Old 12-13-2018, 04:41 PM
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So time to chime in. My '15 has now completely failed twice and it's still only got 6,547 miles on it. The first time it happened last year, Yamaha covered a full rebuild of the entire engine since they don't offer crate motors. Happened again on Tuesday. I'm so disappointed. Bike is back at the shop that did the rebuild awaiting a tear down. The first shop I took it to (over an hour away from home at the time of failure) said Yamaha wouldn't cover it there so I had to get a second tow (59 miles one way). I'm already out $260 for two tows and have to wait until after Christmas to hear anything else. Bought the bike new in 2016, first failure was at about 4,200 miles. Had the recall taken care of at the dealer before I bought it.

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The echo in the garage i took into account. That noise from the engine is real bad!!!

Thank you for agreeing with me...
yep! i'm a sound engineer, because i've spent hours and hours recording and mixing i know exactly what echo
sounds like and what 'direct source' sound does/ how it propagates.. takes only a couple of seconds to distinguish the two

thats not echo you're hearing, its definitly clanking around something fierce

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read response above.. if said dealer came to this conclusion merely by watching the video you provided
then its an honest mistake. Untrained ears. The recording is 'loud' so technically it should make it
easier to distinguish but if you've NEVER spent time playing around with echoes, reverb, compression etc
then you just would not have a clue. What i mean is i wouldnt hold it against them if this is the case.

I've spent hours upon hours, upon hours.. Mixing reverbs & echoes..

If they're trying to get you to stop buggin' 'em and they've stood next to the bike listening to it..

well, THEY'RE FULL OF SHIT SIX WAYS FROM SUNDAY..

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I made a post 3 years ago when my 2015 R1 spun a bearing at 6200 miles. It was still under warranty and I pushed for them to give me a new engine instead of a rebuild. They wouldn't, but the shop that repaired it kept my bike for 5 months and it took them almost 2 to rebuild it making sure everything was right. Yamaha swore to me that it was an isolated incident, but from this forum it seems that a lot of people in here have the same problems. I just bought my second 2015 R1 in April and now seeing how many others are experiencing similar issues, I think I might have made a mistake.
the right side engine cover causes a lot of issues like this. if you take it off replace the seal in there and be careful putting it back on.

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post #44 of 106 (permalink) Old 12-14-2018, 12:24 AM
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Just a heads up - there seem to be quite a few '15 and '16 R1 motors shitting themselves, with broken cranks and spun bearings:

Check out EDR Performances videos:
https://www.facebook.com/edrperforma...1159366315170/
https://www.facebook.com/edrperforma...4933991621074/
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the right side engine cover causes a lot of issues like this. if you take it off replace the seal in there and be careful putting it back on.
Hello,

Does the 2009-14 have this oil passage through the right case too? I checked but couldnt find it. During rebuilds, i usually crank the bike a little bit before i put this cover on (and i never saw any oil coming out from anywhere), so, I want to triple check with you guys that the 2014 doesn't have this.
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post #46 of 106 (permalink) Old 12-14-2018, 05:20 AM
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I've been reading way too many instances of broken cranks and spun bearings. I just purchased a used R1S w/ 2900 miles and this is scaring me.

Does anyone know if this is happening more to R1 vs R1S? Do the difference in the connecting rods have any correlation to the failures??
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the right side engine cover causes a lot of issues like this. if you take it off replace the seal in there and be careful putting it back on.
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Does the 2009-14 have this oil passage through the right case too? I checked but couldnt find it. During rebuilds, i usually crank the bike a little bit before i put this cover on (and i never saw any oil coming out from anywhere), so, I want to triple check with you guys that the 2014 doesn't have this.
No. On the 09-14 the main bearings are pressure fed and it runs through through the crank and shares oil with the rod bearings I believe.
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Just a heads up - there seem to be quite a few '15 and '16 R1 motors shitting themselves, with broken cranks and spun bearings:

Check out EDR Performances videos:
https://www.facebook.com/edrperforma...1159366315170/
https://www.facebook.com/edrperforma...4933991621074/
https://www.facebook.com/edrperforma...08378103107470
I've said this before I'll say it again. EDR isn't anything to base judgement off of. They do super questionable engine work and cut corners then tell everyone it's normal for it to blow you need to refresh every season. EDR Has seen more crank and rod failures then anyone has heard of in the rest of the country. i saw one guy over tighter his manual cct and ended up breaking it, I think one guy on here broke a rod or crank? But they somehow had a half dozen blown motors in a summer? Seems legit.
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post #49 of 106 (permalink) Old 12-14-2018, 08:53 PM
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I've said this before I'll say it again. EDR isn't anything to base judgement off of. They do super questionable engine work and cut corners then tell everyone it's normal for it to blow you need to refresh every season. EDR Has seen more crank and rod failures then anyone has heard of in the rest of the country. i saw one guy over tighter his manual cct and ended up breaking it, I think one guy on here broke a rod or crank? But they somehow had a half dozen blown motors in a summer? Seems legit.
Ah, interesting, I didn't know this about EDR. My mate forwarded me their videos as he knows I'm seriously considering getting a 2016 R1. I wonder what on earth they're doing to their motors to see broken cranks like that? I've never heard of broken cranks in those motors from anyone else...

Do you have any examples of the sort of questionable engine work they do? I'm curious.

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Ah, interesting, I didn't know this about EDR. My mate forwarded me their videos as he knows I'm seriously considering getting a 2016 R1. I wonder what on earth they're doing to their motors to see broken cranks like that? I've never heard of broken cranks in those motors from anyone else...

Do you have any examples of the sort of questionable engine work they do? I'm curious.
There's some things I cant really say because I don't wanna throw the guys who told me under the bus. But I can say that a couple of my buddy's have bought bikes to have the motors fail and when the motors were torn down they found issues like parts were supposed to be in the motor that weren't and stupid stuff like pistons and rods were changed out to a whole different brand without balancing the engine so when buddy got replacements and had the shop check the balance it was way out and matched up to the stock piston n rod weights.

Here's a good example. This is a new R1 with aftermarket steel rods looks like carillos? Definitely not the stock titanium. It apparently made it only 400 track miles then snapped a crankshaft after their motorbuild. Symptom of not being balanced as well so that's kinda suspicious.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...e_insights.%7B

I think they also did a millennium big bore kit that blew a rod out almost right away (another symptom of bad balance after going to heavier pistons) then they threw in carillos I saw on their website and the owner I guess didn't want the bike anymore so it was for sale last I saw.
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I've said this before I'll say it again. EDR isn't anything to base judgement off of. They do super questionable engine work and cut corners then tell everyone it's normal for it to blow you need to refresh every season.
except the motors posted were stock

as much as i love a good EDR bashing (seems every local has a bone to grind) they've specifically stated
motors all had bone stock bottom ends. Most any of the affected engines may have had is top end work.

Its not one, or two but several and for some strange reason they're all snapped in the exact same spot?

c'mon you'd have to be blind not to see that. hell lets just ignore the several blown motors posted on the R1-forum while we're at it.

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Ah, interesting, I didn't know this about EDR. My mate forwarded me their videos as he knows I'm seriously considering getting a 2016 R1.
i'm going to play devils advocate here. I am also in the 'market' (window shopping more than anything) for the 2016/17 R1
as the '15s are completely a no fly zone in my books, you sould not pay me to take one of your hands.. but i've been keeping
an eye on these videos and I'll say a heck of a lot of this EDR bashing has been going on for longer than the new R1 has been
out. With all do respect, and yes i'm sure there's a zillion horror stories but the WA state and BC biker scene is all too aware
of the heavy dislike for said shop. I'm gonna go with the pics on this one. Those cranks look horrible, shitty work yamaha

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except the motors posted were stock <img src="https://www.r1-forum.com/forums/images/smilies/dunno.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Dunno" class="inlineimg" />

as much as i love a good EDR bashing (seems every local has a bone to grind) they've specifically stated
motors all had bone stock bottom ends. Most any of the affected engines may have had is top end work.

Its not one, or two but several and for some strange reason they're all snapped in the exact same spot?

c'mon you'd have to be blind not to see that. hell lets just ignore the several blown motors posted on the R1-forum while we're at it.
How many cranks and rods SNAPPING have you heard of besides from EDR? Bearing failures is one thing and valve springs we have seen those spread out pretty evenly. That part of the crank is a weaker spot that I would bet is made worse by people over tightening a manual cct. That video I posted from the EDR fb is a Built engine not stock that only made it 400 after the build as has been seen from quite a few of their builds. But it's probably just a coincidence. 9 out of 10 r1s with faulty cranks just happen to be sent to Beaverton Oregon and happen to go to the same shop...sounds like the most likely explanation.

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And just to throw more gasoline (vapor) on this particular fire, there are also a fair number of road and track-going 2015 R1's that have accumulated plenty of no-drama miles.
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I think there is validity to the cranks all breaking at the same location. EDR does ALOT of motor builds and is very active on social media. Many other builders are not doing the volume that EDR does, and does not post everything they do on social media.

I appreciate them sharing, even knowing they are going to take some heat. But to have that many cranks break right in the same spot shows there is a design flaw in the crank. For sure it is more succesptible to breaking when you are increasing HP and racing conditions but i do see a potential problem with these cranks.

If you continue to bash/blame EDR they will stop posting these problems and we will be in the dark to potential issues.

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How many cranks and rods SNAPPING have you heard of besides from EDR? Bearing failures is one thing and valve springs we have seen those spread out pretty evenly. That part of the crank is a weaker spot that I would bet is made worse by people over tightening a manual cct. That video I posted from the EDR fb is a Built engine not stock that only made it 400 after the build as has been seen from quite a few of their builds. But it's probably just a coincidence. 9 out of 10 r1s with faulty cranks just happen to be sent to Beaverton Oregon and happen to go to the same shop...sounds like the most likely explanation.
i have no horse in the race, if i wanted to buy a left over I would have done so already.

with the overwhelming history of the entire local biking community (who just so happen to live in nearby states/province) riding the EDR BITCHING band-wagon.

If the decision is between "ignoring an obvious flaw" and "going with the crowd at chow time" ? With all do respect i need to choose to ignore the shit-show in its entirety.

two entirely separate entities. clearly there is something wrong with several vital components in these engines.

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Yea I'm not saying it isn't a weak spot it clearly is by the way they drilled it for the oiling through the crank. i forget the year but some gsxr's had the same issue. This has got sidetracked but all I was trying to say was Eric's words on why motors fail holds no weight.
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Has anyone looked into some means of reinforcing the crankshaft? APE, Falicon, Orient Express, etc?
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I had both mine cryo-treated. We will see how they hold up I guess.

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Yea I'm not saying it isn't a weak spot it clearly is by the way they drilled it for the oiling through the crank.
thats kinda my point in a roundabout way, i just dont subscribe to an blanket approach that it must all be in EDR's minds.
or that they're the reason Yamaha fvcked this R1 so badly. EDR has its own black eye from years passed and i've heard 'em
all. They were not all '15 / '16 R1's; its also fair to mention they've done a shit-tonne of work on R6's over the years
and they're not snapping crankshafts. It appears to me they're a high volume shop so the odds they would see more
than a few of these should be no surprise, clearly the pictures dont lie and there's something really off on these.

lets put it this way, and yes i'm aware the 'one' you posted was a built motor..
it seems to me there are more 'stock' engines than 'built' with the EXACT same failure.

It may sound weird but my thinking would be "maybe its not such a good idea to try to extract more power out of this particular engine.

I'd say the odds are stacked against it in the 'reliability department'

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I had both mine cryo-treated. We will see how they hold up I guess.
and so we come full circle to what i'm trying to say. You already have one and obviously are not exactly 100% its 'ok'.

to those like me who did not buy one, well lets just say none of us are running out in search of one

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Okay this thread is terrifying. I have a 2016 with 800 and change on the odometer. Break in instructions were followed followed meticulously and the service was done at exactly 601 miles on the clock. Are there any recalls or anything I need to look for or pay attention to as far as “engine woes”?


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