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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 05-12-2017, 08:44 AM Thread Starter
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Tires on a cold track?

So I just recently moved from the southeast (GA) to the northwest (WA) -- active duty Army.

Anyway, I've attended a few trackdays as a novice rider in the southeast where track temps during this time of year are 90°+ so I never really had to worry about tires building heat.

So I'm going to be going to a track day at the Ridge here pretty soon and I'm worried about the tires building heat since ambient temps around here are about 45°ish in the early morning and highs of 60°-70° mid-day.

I've been tossing around the idea of getting tire warmers, but figured as soon as I take them off, they'll drop 20° before I actually get on the track due to waiting in the safety pit and whatnot. I'm pretty confident in saying that my pace is mid-novice, so even if I did get warmers I'm unsure I could be fast enough to keep the heat.

I'm running pirelli Diablo supercorsa sp2's and I know street tires will build the heat a little faster, but still not positive it would be enough to inspire enough confidence in trying to push it.

I'm kind of scratching my head at what I should do. Maybe add some more pressure? Am I overthinking it?
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If you can warmers are the safest way of heating tires. Next is you doing it on track. I've done both and I recommend the warmers.

You do have a legit concern about cold track and cold tires. Very tricky and can catch you out and on your ear so fast it's shocking.

There is no set amount of laps to warm tires. It's a crap shoot. This is why eventually almost everyone goes to warmers. It's not because they enjoy the noisy generators LOL
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Depending on who runs your track they may rent warmers as well, my track does for 40 bucks a day.
If you decide on warmers your set up can make a big difference in how fast you loose heat on your way to pit out.
I usually wait until the last possible second. I'm all geared up ready to go and I wait until others are being sent out not just sitting waiting at pit out. Then I pull the warmers and head straight out. Done perfectly you loose almost no heat in your tires.
Another good way to generate heat is braking. Overbrake a little when it is safe to do so, that will build heat faster
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post #4 of 16 (permalink) Old 05-12-2017, 03:37 PM
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I had same tires. No matter if it is street tires, tire warmers will definitely help you. Even when it was above 70F, I used the warmer in a short period time in order not to overbake my tires. It saved me my 1 warm-up lap. Without it, I had to do 2 laps. I saved time and treads. I was so tired of wasting two laps because my precious time that I paid for, and track days are not economical at all. Track day money + gas to get there + highway tolls + tires + food + miscellaneous. My set of tires lasted only two days, which were around $350. Very close to $500 per day.
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You don't need tire warmers in mid-novice. The heat you put into your tires via the tire warmers will very quickly dissipate on track if you are not riding at pace (or in very cold weather).

Do one warm-up lap and you're set. Street tires are designed to heat up quickly and retain that heat at slower pace. Btw warm-up lap doesn't mean crawl around the track - you'd be surprised how close your warm-up lap can be to an at-pace lap - just need to be smooth with the inputs.

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Thank you guys for all the advice! It's nice to know that there are guys with experience willing to help the newcomers.
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post #7 of 16 (permalink) Old 05-12-2017, 09:48 PM
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You will be fine, they are street tires. Hard acceleration and hard braking put heat in the tires. Go easy on the lean angle on the first two laps, but use power and brake to warm the tires. Then slowly increase your lean angle in subsequent laps. Its not a race, let your mind and tires come up to temp progressively.

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post #9 of 16 (permalink) Old 05-14-2017, 01:12 PM
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Id just get a set of chicken hawk warmers. It was a good investment. Yeah street tires don't really require them but its nice to know you have some heat on them regardless. Plus when you do bump up to race tires you will have what you need.

Check WERA forums for a used set. Where i got mine. Still working great after several years.


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Hey Kent, This is a very controversial topic that invites opinions from different levels. I would guess by your question that your track time is somewhat limited. Your best advise is going too come from experienced tire providers and suspension gurus. Your going to get the best advise that really works for your bike and tires from them. (Street tires), some with say start at 32psi and after the session is over reduce the pressure back to 32 until it is 32 is reading on your gauge when your come off the track. Other will say start at 29-32psi and you should see a rise 4-7 psi hot off the track. Decease your cold pressure until you see the rise, or increase your cold pressures if you have more than 7 psi rise. The tire and suspension guys can look at your tire after each session and help you with pressures and suspension set up to prevent "cold tears" and other tire wear issues. All good advise. The best advise I can give you is to take the first two laps for not only your tires, but most important, your mind to come to temp. The first two laps can be fun, work on your lines, hit the throttle hard and brake hard while the bike is straight up and down to put heat into them and limit your corner speed. Its not a race. Don't be the newb that tosses his bike due to over exuberance and prematurely ends his track day with heart break and disappointment. Your best bet until your riding in the black (racer group) where falling is expected and trading paint is expected, is to turn laps, as many laps as possible. Follow instructors, learn the lines, use the advice and apply it with many laps as possible, and concentrate on having fun in the safe environment. Track days are so much fun. You have a race bike that you most likely will never be able to ride at full potential. Work on being smooth and slowly build your confidence. This is a great sport and you have an amazing bike, have fun with it. Maybe I'll see you at the Ridge this summer, you also might consider coming down to my neck for woods and ride at Oregon Raceway Park in Grass Valley. Or Go down to Willows California to ThunderHill, Look up Dave Moss, he will get your set up properly with suspension and tire set ups. He has a Youtube channel.


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Maybe I'll see you at the Ridge this summer...
Nice post. So, what are your experiences at The Ridge?




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June 2016, With Motofit (which I highly recommend, great provider with an emphasis on safety, training and FUN) Took a chance with the weather....The NW is notorious for rain in June especially near the Olympic Mountains. Seattle is a rain mecca. Normally I would wait until August or September to make that long hike up to Shelton Washington, 330 mile slog. But I lucked out and only missed two sessions due to rain over the weekend. Its a great track with a good Pit space. It appears bigger and faster in videos, The track has a good rhythm with elevation changes and fun blind rises. Was hoping to to visit the track again 2017 but was unable and also missed two weekends at Oregon Race Way Park last summer as well. As a treat and for sanity sake, in November, I made the the pilgrimage to Willows California, Thunderhill with Keigwin provider...That my friend is an amazing track, First class all the way from the track, to the pits, Keigwins, vendors (think Dave Moss for suspension help.. and Gallen with Rolling Hospitality trackside bed and food provider) and the incredible fellow riders (some pros were there testing and just having fun Josh Herrin was there all weekend and so was Maxwell Toth 27, a young and coming racer testing for the first time a real Moto 3 bike). I plan to head there in April and also in the fall, October. Its gets way too hot there in mid summer. If your want to see the track from my perspective on the R1 and FZ09...
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June 2016, With Motofit (which I highly recommend, great provider with an emphasis on safety, training and FUN) Took a chance with the weather....The NW is notorious for rain in June especially near the Olympic Mountains. Seattle is a rain mecca. Normally I would wait until August or September to make that long hike up to Shelton Washington, 330 mile slog. But I lucked out and only missed two sessions due to rain over the weekend. Its a great track with a good Pit space. It appears bigger and faster in videos, The track has a good rhythm with elevation changes and fun blind rises. Was hoping to to visit the track again 2017 but was unable and also missed two weekends at Oregon Race Way Park last summer as well. As a treat and for sanity sake, in November, I made the the pilgrimage to Willows California, Thunderhill with Keigwin provider...That my friend is an amazing track, First class all the way from the track, to the pits, Keigwins, vendors (think Dave Moss for suspension help.. and Gallen with Rolling Hospitality trackside bed and food provider) and the incredible fellow riders (some pros were there testing and just having fun Josh Herrin was there all weekend and so was Maxwell Toth 27, a young and coming racer testing for the first time a real Moto 3 bike). I plan to head there in April and also in the fall, October. Its gets way too hot there in mid summer. If your want to see the track from my perspective on the R1 and FZ09...
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCE4...ScUkojw/videos
Funny seeing these are the bikes you bring. I just bought an XSR900 for daily riding and plan on bringing the r1/xsr combo to the track for varied fun.

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