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03-09-2016 09:07 AM
RSD
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Originally Posted by TwentySixRed View Post
Mine shakes and vibrates a lot under 4K rpm, after that it smoothens out to 'normal'. I have a 2001 R1 in my garage too, and that is A LOT smoother under 4K rpm than my planker. It's my preferred commuter for that reason. The clunky rattling vibration is just the nature of the planker, it's a lumpy tractor down low.

There's a guy in the group I ride with, who's not that bright - nice guy, enthusiastic, loves riding, but not the brightest - and after a few years riding with the group he bought a crossplane R1. Got his knickers in a knot something was wrong with the bike. He'd come from riding a silky smooth 2008 CBR600RR. Anyway, 2 of the guys with plankers took his bike for a ride and found nothing at all unusual. The Planker is a totally different engine, it's so rough and out of balance that it needs a dedicated, heavy counter-weighted balancing shaft as an integral part of the engine. Sometimes, taking off at part throttle in 2nd or 3rd at low speed, my engine rattles so much it sounds like it's rattling all the engine casings apart. It clatters like a bucket of bolts. But so do all the other plankers I've ridden; mine makes exactly the same bucket-of-bolts clattering as all my mates who have them.

So back to this guy - no matter how many times we ride his bike and tell him it's exactly the same as ours (I'm not letting him ride my bike, not cause he's a bad guy but he's not that good a rider yet) he's not able to let it go. He's got it stuck in his head that something is wrong with the bike. My personal theory is he became used to the smooth inline 4 feeling of his CBR600, and the clattering chatter of the planker at sub-3.5K rpm is not something he can reconcile with a healthy engine. Me personally, I've had to change my riding style on the planker compared to my 2001 R1, on my 2001 R1 I can cruise around at reasonably relaxed RPM, but on my 2012, comfortable RPM for commuting is around 1-1.5K higher. It's just the nature of the beast.

HOWEVER, one thing I have noticed, is my 2012 likes a thicker oil. Since I've found the Belray 20W50, gear shifts are smoother, and the clattering from the engine has tamed down just a little. You might want to try a little thicker oil, and see whether it makes any measurable difference.
Yea......"So back to that guy" that's exactly what I'm thinking! He probably just doesn't understand the x-plane crank configuration and the syncopated firing order. Maybe when he finally spins it up above 10K he will discover how smooth it can become.
03-08-2016 04:29 PM
TwentySixRed Mine shakes and vibrates a lot under 4K rpm, after that it smoothens out to 'normal'. I have a 2001 R1 in my garage too, and that is A LOT smoother under 4K rpm than my planker. It's my preferred commuter for that reason. The clunky rattling vibration is just the nature of the planker, it's a lumpy tractor down low.

There's a guy in the group I ride with, who's not that bright - nice guy, enthusiastic, loves riding, but not the brightest - and after a few years riding with the group he bought a crossplane R1. Got his knickers in a knot something was wrong with the bike. He'd come from riding a silky smooth 2008 CBR600RR. Anyway, 2 of the guys with plankers took his bike for a ride and found nothing at all unusual. The Planker is a totally different engine, it's so rough and out of balance that it needs a dedicated, heavy counter-weighted balancing shaft as an integral part of the engine. Sometimes, taking off at part throttle in 2nd or 3rd at low speed, my engine rattles so much it sounds like it's rattling all the engine casings apart. It clatters like a bucket of bolts. But so do all the other plankers I've ridden; mine makes exactly the same bucket-of-bolts clattering as all my mates who have them.

So back to this guy - no matter how many times we ride his bike and tell him it's exactly the same as ours (I'm not letting him ride my bike, not cause he's a bad guy but he's not that good a rider yet) he's not able to let it go. He's got it stuck in his head that something is wrong with the bike. My personal theory is he became used to the smooth inline 4 feeling of his CBR600, and the clattering chatter of the planker at sub-3.5K rpm is not something he can reconcile with a healthy engine. Me personally, I've had to change my riding style on the planker compared to my 2001 R1, on my 2001 R1 I can cruise around at reasonably relaxed RPM, but on my 2012, comfortable RPM for commuting is around 1-1.5K higher. It's just the nature of the beast.

HOWEVER, one thing I have noticed, is my 2012 likes a thicker oil. Since I've found the Belray 20W50, gear shifts are smoother, and the clattering from the engine has tamed down just a little. You might want to try a little thicker oil, and see whether it makes any measurable difference.
03-07-2016 11:42 AM
RSD Have you thought about getting someone who is familiar with the cross-plane R1 to ride it? See what they say about it!
03-07-2016 08:34 AM
DarkHorse It really could be fueling. Mine would shake like that when I tuned it a bit lean down low.
03-07-2016 05:51 AM
Mach.81 I gave you a few suggestions...sorry I can't help with the finances.

Cheers
03-07-2016 05:35 AM
xrricky
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Originally Posted by Mach.81 View Post
If the plugs have just been done start looking there... Could be a bad plug with a cracked insulator? Take a look at the burn color? Point a thermal gun at the header and take temp readings. Look for a dead/cold cylinder? It could be a fuel issue, lines or whatever.. Pull the PCV. Nothing personal.. but you need to take it to a good Yamaha dealer/mechanic. Where do you live? I'm sure someone here can help you find a good mechanic/service tech.

The cross-plane shakes a little in the lower rpm but smooths out at 3500 - 4000 rpm. This engine is smother than most inline's. If the motor is shaking badly there is something wrong and you need to get it looked at.

I bought the bike used like this with all the work done like the new plugs and that. I'm trying to figure it out without taking it to the dealer yet as I'm not In the financials situation to be able to pay the dealer thousands I'm trouble shooting labour
I will get it figured out threw trouble shooting other people's experiences with this issue .
03-07-2016 05:22 AM
Mach.81 If the plugs have just been done start looking there... Could be a bad plug with a cracked insulator? Take a look at the burn color? Point a thermal gun at the header and take temp readings. Look for a dead/cold cylinder? It could be a fuel issue, lines or whatever.. Pull the PCV. Nothing personal.. but you need to take it to a good Yamaha dealer/mechanic. Where do you live? I'm sure someone here can help you find a good mechanic/service tech.

The cross-plane shakes a little in the lower rpm but smooths out at 3500 - 4000 rpm. This engine is smother than most inline's. If the motor is shaking badly there is something wrong and you need to get it looked at.

03-07-2016 04:06 AM
xrricky
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Originally Posted by Tad158 View Post
Take a screen shot of the fuel map in the PCV.
I have a screen shot it the fuel map . I can't figure out how to upload it here .Sorry I'm new to forum use
03-06-2016 04:47 PM
xrricky
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Originally Posted by One2 View Post
You need the Graves Clutch Kit Fix too.

Are you sure your not in a high gear at low speeds???
Graves clutch fix on the way
Nope Even in first gear
03-06-2016 08:58 AM
DarkHorse You need the Graves Clutch Kit Fix too.

Are you sure your not in a high gear at low speeds???
03-06-2016 08:08 AM
Mattyvsmithy Looks like you've done a duplicate thread.

How bad are we talking on the vibes?

I've got a Yoshi USA system with decat and when I pull off I definitely feel a good dose of vibration and plenty of grunting from the engine. Remember that this bike will likely feel a lot different from anything else you've ridden due to it's engine design. My old 05 used to feel a lot less vibey on pull off if I recall.

However, I wouldn't call it uncomfortable...
03-05-2016 08:58 AM
Goatse I'm thinking it's just the normal crossplane vibes. You've got the Graves low mount, so your booming crossplane pulses are even deeper. Pay 'real' close attention to the exhaust pulses and see if they line up with the vibes. Roll on to the throttle in lower RPM's where it's easier to tell. I'd bet your exhaust pulses line up with each vibration.
03-05-2016 06:42 AM
Tad158 Take a screen shot of the fuel map in the PCV.
03-05-2016 06:27 AM
xrricky I will plug it in when I get Home. I don't really know much about the power commander and how to set it up
03-05-2016 05:14 AM
Tad158 Eh...still sounds like a tune issue. What does the fuel trim map look like in the power commander?
03-05-2016 04:30 AM
xrricky Don't feel as all like a fuel or fire issue. Feels like rotating vibration. But when not accelerating it's smooth as silk
03-05-2016 12:51 AM
xrricky There are new plugs in it 1000mi ago. It's not a sputtering causing the vibration because the bike pulls hard. I will check and do the fuel line mod tho thanks
Ok so I bought this bike with some work done to it maybe something needs to be tuned. Here's the few things
-graves low mount full exhaust
-power commander
- k&n air filter (possibly)
I was in talking to the dealer and he ran the vin and said the can chain tensioner was replaced in 2011 .And there's a open recall not yet completed on it for a headlight harness
Told me that there is no service note for a CPU flash for that bike
This is why I hate buying over people's problems thinking the seller is honest
Keep the ideas coming please to help me diagnose the problem .I'm ready to burn it
Thanks guys
03-04-2016 04:17 PM
Tad158 Plugs are a must....the service interval is 8k mi.
Next, do the fuel line mod...I would not be surprised that the thing is kinked a little, and the bike is starving for fuel......
Then it would be tune....what mods are on the bike? Has it been flashed?
03-04-2016 04:11 PM
NoExpert Definitely an issue if it's that bad. Might need spark plugs, they don't seem to last long on the cross plane.
03-04-2016 03:35 PM
xrricky
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Originally Posted by NoExpert View Post
Higher RPMs are your friend. Much under 4000 RPMs and it vibrates.
Vibrates so bad it's not enjoyable at all ? And it don't matter how high in the rpm range I am it does it when accelerating.
With very little miles on the bike I can't see anything being worn out
I'm lost with this issue
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