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I notice the air intake moves mechanically when the key is on, does this make removal/reinstall of air intake/airbox tricky or is it pretty cut and dry?
Cant find any videos online ususlly i like to watch it just for a preview and confidence booster lol.
 

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I just had the airbox off my 2008. It looks more complicated than it actually is. I used the service manual and it wasn't super clear from the diagrams but it turns out just to be the allen head bolts and the tubes just kinda snap off there. Sorry I didn't take pics or make a video.
 

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I just had the airbox off my 2008. It looks more complicated than it actually is. I used the service manual and it wasn't super clear from the diagrams but it turns out just to be the allen head bolts and the tubes just kinda snap off there. Sorry I didn't take pics or make a video.
I did it today, not bad.. cleaned injectors but still no start... fuel pump perhaps? Diag not giving any codes. Will try to run when spraying fogging oil while cranking.
 

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You'll foul the plugs if you use a lot of that fogging oil. If you've already done that step previously, and everything seems to be moving ok, use a little stater fluid to see if it will run off it.
 

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You'll foul the plugs if you use a lot of that fogging oil. If you've already done that step previously, and everything seems to be moving ok, use a little stater fluid to see if it will run off it.
Thnx for the insight im gonna order a set of plugs today.. I just posted this update on a diff site...
"Cleaned the injectors, cleaned the inside of the fuel tank and cleaned up the fuel pump/filter. Still no start and fuel light flashes 8 times. Going to replace the plugs even tho theyve only got 175 miles on them.. if that doesnt work i will replace the fuel pump.. and it needs tires.. i dont think i will be riding this year lol"

I would be stoked if it was just fouled plugs but im leaning towards plugs/fuelpump.. pump runs and doesnt sound bad so idk.. plugs first i guess... I havent tried starting fluid since i cleaned the tank and pump maybe thatll work.

Thanks butta
 

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you will most likely need the fuel lines replaced. fuel that old turns to gel and clogs the lines and you won't get proper pressure. take pump out and run it on its own, just hook power and fuel lines up and pump it from one container to another. time it and measure volume and you can determine the flow rate (liter/hour) that it's pumping at to determine if its faulty or operating properly. it should also be at 46psi. i believe the flow rate is 60 lph so if you're below that, replace it. someone fact check me on the numbers there cuz i dont remember precisely.

fuel pump doesn't need to sound bad to be bad. replace fuel lines. hopefully injectors are clear and clean but ehhhh, would go in and check/clean/replace as well. anything fuel has been in that long needs to be cleaned.
 

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you will most likely need the fuel lines replaced. fuel that old turns to gel and clogs the lines and you won't get proper pressure. take pump out and run it on its own, just hook power and fuel lines up and pump it from one container to another. time it and measure volume and you can determine the flow rate (liter/hour) that it's pumping at to determine if its faulty or operating properly. it should also be at 46psi. i believe the flow rate is 60 lph so if you're below that, replace it. someone fact check me on the numbers there cuz i dont remember precisely.

fuel pump doesn't need to sound bad to be bad. replace fuel lines. hopefully injectors are clear and clean but ehhhh, would go in and check/clean/replace as well. anything fuel has been in that long needs to be cleaned.
Really good info Jared i appreciate you taking the time to chime in.. i will post an update next time ive had a chance to do more work and what the outcome is.
 

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Replaced plugs, fuel pump, fuel line, new injectors, fresh new charged battery + jump for strong start.
.. SO, right after i changed the fuel pump i got it to run for about 40 seconds and then it died out again (started it from battery alone-no jump-no starting fluid). So i thought maybe something clogged the injectors.. changed those... now still no start even with battery jump.
Will try to run on starting fluid... im really lost for thoughts now... does anyone have any suggestions? I appreciate you guys..
 

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Maybe because it ran on the old injectors perhaps i should put the old ones back in?
Temporary defeat 🧘‍♂️
 

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Did you ever check the plugs? Everything from your last post indicates you've touched practically the entire fuel system. Assuming that's all working correctly then you're missing either spark or compression. Plugs would be easiest to check/change if you haven't already. Have you performed a compression test?
 

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UPDATE.
Changed fuel pump and it fired up.
After about 2 minutes i realized it was leaking gas, it was dark outside IB my defense..🤦‍♂️ I had torn one of the injectors o rings.. after I replaced the o-ring about a week later it didn't want to stay running, granted it was <36F outside.. it would run with tiny spurts of staring fluid but otherwise no.. im assuming it was the cold temps as it was running before that.
Anyways it's going to be almost 50F tomorow (yes on Dec 23rd, in Michigan lol) so I let the battery charge all day today ans going to see whats up tomorrow! 🤞🤞🤞🤞
 

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Lost track of this thread. Have you:
Verified you are getting spark to each cylinder? Get an inline spark tester light, remove all plugs, test each one individually, tool is like $5.
Verified gas to each cylinder? After cranking, are you able to smell gas out of the exhaust? Easy way to tell if you're getting gas or not lol is just stick your nose in the exhaust and take a big whiff. Otherwise if you pull the spark plugs they'll be wet with gas but obviously takes a bit more work to verify
Verified compression? Tester is relatively cheap but you'll need an air compressor.
Verified timing, chain tension and valves properly set at proper tdc and gaps?
 

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Honestly I think it may be the fuel pump I bought as a replacement was preowned, I'm going to try putting in a new fuel pump relay just to see because that could cause low fuel pressure even if the pump isnt bad, but I basically plan on testing the fuel pressure the pumps putting out because it was running just a few weeks ago until I changed that o-ring, spark is confirmed its fuel I'm not so sure about.
The bike has 165 miles on it
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so in my mind it has to be something stupid lol
If fuel pressure comes back good or bad and a new oem fuel pump is replaced and still no start then I would start looking into compression.. I may do a compression test sooner but having never done it I'm not sure how involved it is.. also expecting snow at some point :/

Appreciate the tips and insight and I'll definitely keep posting on here with updates until this is resolved
 

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It's not 100% related but, I have bought new parts, installed them, and have them faulty from the factory and have to swap it out again for another new part. It's insanely frustrating but happens. Take it out and test it.
 

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It's not 100% related but, I have bought new parts, installed them, and have them faulty from the factory and have to swap it out again for another new part. It's insanely frustrating but happens. Take it out and test it.
Ahh, damn.. yeah the plan is to do a fuel pressure test when the weather breaks.. I'm sure soon as its decent out and 2020 spring is in sight I'm gonna be all over this thing as far as getting her goin.
That's unfortunate tho about bad parts out of the box
 
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