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· SEMPER FI 0331
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I just got off the phone with Nels at 2 wheel dyno works. He said by volume he is the #1 yamaha tuner in the world so he has gotten a bunch of stuff no one else has right now. He is working directly with yamalube and the graves monster AMA team and yamaha engineers. We was sent the tune files for Dane wesby's bike and a bunch of other stuff. Basically he said once the ECU is unlocked it's pretty much the most tunable ecu ever. He said he has over 200 traction control maps , 200 quick shifter maps he can change throttle input ,timing, fuel , ect ... He has a r1m test bike now and will be testing with it tomorrow and will send me the info when he's done. He said he expects a 20hp gain on a bone stock bike tuning. Said a pipe plus tune should be 190-200 rwhp. He said right now from the factory the throttle is strange. Up to 40% throttle is doesn't give you 1 to 1 it cuts a lot of power then when it hits 40% throttle it goes instantly 1-1 but then closes the throttle some even if you hold steady throttle. He's going to fix all that. Also the way the traction control is set up say if you are in 5 then go to 6 it doesn't just give you more traction control every level is a different map. What he is going to do is use level 5 as a base and make it so if you want more traction control you go up to 6-9 less 4-1 and he can change when it kicks in how much wheel speed spin at every rpm every speed every gear ect it's limitless. Every electronic aid can be customized like this. So every aspect of the bike can be tuned to exactly what you want and how you plan to use it. He is also making it so you can change all the stuff on the fly. Also he said soon he is getting the programming to make it clutchless down shift. He said you will be able to be at full lean and just down shift it without the clutch and it will match revs perfectly said he will be the first in the world to get it. He said he is trying to develop different tunes for different pipes and usages so you can just mail in your ecu have it flashed pop it back in and be done. I tried to remember all he said I'm sure I'm missing stuff. I'll have the dyno charts for the test bike in a day or 2 and will post it up. He was very excited about this and said literally the tuning on this bike is limitless!
 

· Yama-haulin'
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Dude, paragraphs. Please. Not trying to be a grammar Nazi, but your post is so hard to read when it's a huge block of text like that.
 

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thanks for the info.. good to hear we'll have more access, sounds promising :thumbup
 

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Those who know and use Woolich Racing software already have that ability on all models of Suzuki Kawasaki and Yamaha and I am sure the file definitions for 2015 model will be released very soon. So it is nothing really new about it.
I would be very careful with TC maps modifications though. Do not get me wrong, I am sure your tuner knows what he is doing, but all that needs to tailored to the track, conditions etc. and only racing teams will have enough resources to use it and that is most likely with whom he will be working. Yamaha engineers spent a lot of time and money to make and test the maps that the bike comes with. Loading someone else's maps is just asking for trouble.
 

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All the maps he has are from the yamaha race teams.
That is exactly my point. They were developed to suit the very fast riders riding on the edge of the bike capabilities. And they have the means to test and tune them further. If we put them in our bikes, not having access to these resources we surely will test Yamaha's pricing policy of the spare parts :scared
 

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· SEMPER FI 0331
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So is this a product that individuals will be able to buy and use to make the modifications? Or is it a service that he can apply by sending them your bike/ECU?
He said anyone can buy the cables and stuff to do it but it's like $3k or something like that. He's doing a bunch of tests now to try and get a good tune for different exhausts and stuff after that if you are not local you can mail on the ecu and have it flashed.
 

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That is exactly my point. They were developed to suit the very fast riders riding on the edge of the bike capabilities. And they have the means to test and tune them further. If we put them in our bikes, not having access to these resources we surely will test Yamaha's pricing policy of the spare parts :scared
Yeah that's pretty much exactly what he said. He's doing a bunch of testing to get a good tune set up for street and track.
 

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Ha! Wall of words. Good one. :)

I'm wondering why Yamaha didn't market the potential ability to clutchless downshift?
BMW marketed the sh1t out of it.
Well from what I've read, these production clutchless downshift setups on BMW and Ducati are imperfect in their execution and testers ended up just using the clutch. They seem to sometimes be jerky and upset the chassis.

IF we ever get seamless shift gearboxes like MotoGP on production motorcycles in the future, that will be when such setups will be incredible.

Personally, I think it will initially take a bit of a leap of faith to trust such a system, and a long time to not automatically go for the clutch when downshifting. Hell, I've had a quickshifter for years, and I still find myself lifting off first and hitting the shifter.
 

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We've got the same files. I can tell you that a lot of this stuff will not be allowed to be used on customer/public ECUs yet, per the developers. Basically each ECU will have to be manually authorized before all of these features can be applied (IE: Pit Limiter, revised TC maps, etc).

However, the tuning/throttle mapping can be applied no problem. We should have our flash ready for release within 30 days, perhaps sooner.
 

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Yamaha's race teams use Magenetti Marelli... nothing carries over to a stock ecu at all...

There is already Graves Spec maps for full systems and cat eliminators on the FTEcu.com database. I doubt anyone would need anything else for a street bike at all. It's a HUGE improvement over everything and everywhere.

Like mentioned if you are a professional racer not a street bike and need different traction mappings that could be arranged if you are purchasing Graves products.... :)
 

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Just relaying what he told me. He said he's testing all that stuff out today. Starting with the map that was on Dane wesby's ( not sure if I'm spelling his name right) that he had on the bike he ran the Dunlop test corse on.
 

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Just relaying what he told me. He said he's testing all that stuff out today. Starting with the map that was on Dane wesby's ( not sure if I'm spelling his name right) that he had on the bike he ran the Dunlop test corse on.
No worries I'm just telling you no one is data sharing a map from our team's racebikes (Graves). You can go to ftecu.com and download the software and see the field options that would be available to anyone.

The mappings for the traction control algorithms (like Dane used rest in peace) would be available to someone that interacts with ft a lot and is a PRO level racer. Outside of that we made our OWN mappings for customers to access through FtEcu's map database. Those maps are available to anyone and work outstanding. The best possible way to handle your needs is to buy the units just like a power commander so you own and and can do what you want when you want. Otherwise you can save a few bucks and send it to a tuning center to have the flash done...

Hope this helps..

-Shane @ Graves Motorsports / Media and Technologies
 
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