[BooBooSS]

Yamaha's race teams use Magenetti Marelli... nothing carries over to a stock ecu at all...

There is already Graves Spec maps for full systems and cat eliminators on the FTEcu.com database. I doubt anyone would need anything else for a street bike at all. It's a HUGE improvement over everything and everywhere.

Like mentioned if you are a professional racer not a street bike and need different traction mappings that could be arranged if you are purchasing Graves products....

 

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Just relaying what he told me. He said he's testing all that stuff out today. Starting with the map that was on Dane wesby's ( not sure if I'm spelling his name right) that he had on the bike he ran the Dunlop test corse on.

No worries I'm just telling you no one is data sharing a map from our team's racebikes (Graves). You can go to ftecu.com and download the software and see the field options that would be available to anyone.

The mappings for the traction control algorithms (like Dane used rest in peace) would be available to someone that interacts with ft a lot and is a PRO level racer. Outside of that we made our OWN mappings for customers to access through FtEcu's map database. Those maps are available to anyone and work outstanding. The best possible way to handle your needs is to buy the units just like a power commander so you own and and can do what you want when you want. Otherwise you can save a few bucks and send it to a tuning center to have the flash done...

Hope this helps..

-Shane @ Graves Motorsports / Media and Technologies

 

[BooBooSS]

The features are listed below. They include importing a power commander map if you choose. If your using a graves product our maps are solid. I wouldn't use another and yes they contain fuel mappings that are better than power commander tables. Thank you.


The 2015 Yamaha R1 Flash Tune Data-Link ECU Flashing Kits : Your bike already has a standalone ECU and now you can get the tools to program it! There is no longer any need to send away your ECU! When ordering please include your bike's ECU # in the notes section at checkout to insure the proper setup is sent to you. Thank you. Scroll down for indepth kit information.

Fitment:

Yamaha R1 2015


This Interface allows you to easily adjust the following!

Remove ECU Restrictions
Engine Braking adjustments
High Load Fuel Maps (with PC3 and PC5 map importing)
Low Load (cruising) Fuel Maps
Fuel Injector Proportioning
Ignition Timing
Immobilizer Function
Cooling Fan Temps
Rev-Limiter Control
Remove Top Speed Limiter
ECU Based Quick-shifting
Speedometer calibrations
and new features are added regularly.


Data-Link ECU Flashing Kit Includes:
FTdataLink ECU Interface USB Cable
Bike-side programming harness to permanently install on your bike


Bench ECU Flashing Kit Includes:
FTdataLink ECU Interface USB Cable
Bench Flashing Harness to flash your ECU outside of the bike
Power Supply for Bench flashing


We believe everyone deserves the same tuning technology that until now was reserved for factory riders. With our software you can remove the restrictions that the factory must put in place to meet strict street vehicle guidelines. By flashing your ECU you are able to tune your bike without interfering with critical correction factors resulting in smoother power gains than ever before possible.This product is for RACE USE ONLY! The included software will automatically update as new features are added!

 

[BooBooSS]

You do not have to provide a ecu # any longer. The firmware mates to the first ecu it connects to. Any more after that and the program will request a $100 up grade.

 

[BooBooSS]

If you flash the ecu the immobilizer is still retained.

There are ways to review firing orders to US spec but anything else cannot be done without special agreements.

 

[BooBooSS]

We are a manufacturer so there's not staff on hand for this. We can sell you a unit that will easily move correct maps to your bike

www.gravesport.com

 

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Woolich Racing software/hardware package does much the same thing plus auto-tune functions with live data logger. But they didn't publish the maps for 2015 R1 models ECU.

They haven't figured out how to copy the FTEcu software yet.... lol

 

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I'm not sure what this means, but I'm sure the flash is everything I would need for mere mortals like myself.

I have another question regarding importing maps into ecu. Power commander maps are importable. However, I don't want to get into a war about Power commander vs Bazzaz stuff, but Bazzaz maps all 8 injectors vs power comm 4 unless you buy add on module. When Graves made their maps for their exhaust...did you guys use power commander and all 8 injectors mapping. Did you use your own sepcialty mapping software? Would it matter which unit would work better?

I am thinking of going the autotune route someday to get a good base map if nothing else. Whether I choose graves exhaust or different.

Oh yeah, and thanks Shane for answering all the questions.

In general It is best to tune using all 8 injectors as the secondary injectors are far more efficient at properly atomizing fuel at high RPM. In the stock ECU(most R1s) as much as 80% of the total fuel delivery is performed via the secondary injectors at high rpm and throttle openings.

Understanding this, it is not absolutely required that all 8 injectors are adjusted as you can still fix AFRs just fine by adjusting the remaining 20% delivered via the primary’s however the use of a secondary module or bazzaz which adjusts all injectors is ideal if you are using piggybacks.

When importing PC maps in FTEcu software it is assumed that no secondary module was used and the PC values are scaled to reflect the amount of the total fuel which would have been delivered through the primaries and adjusted at any particular breakpoint. Bazzaz fuel table import obviously does not need to perform this series of calculations and will simply scale the breakpoints to match the ECU. In either case I always recommend tuning via the ECU directly whenever possible.

Importing maps is not an exact science and I have always had better results working with the ECU tables directly.

 

[BooBooSS]

Shane,

For the stock pipe can we load the EU map to the US bike? or copy affected maps over? which ones do we copy to get "EU ECU"?

getting the Graves full soon.

thanks!
Martin

US bikes would use the us spec maps...

You could move over the unrestricted map on a stock buke

 

[BooBooSS]

Call the office 800-867-6480 ext. 800 you shouldn't need to buy more than 1 system unless you have multiple bikes. Cheers.

 

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Not at this time. There's too many other variables to execute this right now without considering the other electronics on both models.

 

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Shane, can I call to get an unrestricted map with stock settings? looking to dyno this weekend and would like to get a before and after run in.

There's a stock un-restricted map on the database already it's been there for a few months

 

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Sorry, just couple questions about the Graves tuner before I order. First, what would happen if you installed a Euro-spec map onto a US bike (or in my case, Canada. Not sure which version is supplied to here). YOU Don't they have a different firing order

Second, the US bikes are apparently down on horsepower compared to their European brethren. Is that power difference solely in the mapping, or does it have to do with different exhausts and catalytic converters? There are unrestricted stock maps or if you use a Graves product you can select our race mappings

Third, you had mentioned something about firing orders. They're not all the same? NO they are not

Fourth, if a person has any other brand exhaust on, will your maps still work? If it's a POSER PIPE vanity can that's tucked up under the bike with no bends so it dumps out.. I doubt you'll have any mid range so I wouldn't...



Thanks for all your help!

You don'

 

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YOU Don't they have a different firing order....

Third, you had mentioned something about firing orders. They're not all the same? NO they are not


Really? Would you care to explain that?

This place you speak of with there magically superior box cannot tell you? lol

It's so you cannot put a US spec ecu into the bike and disable the mobilizer. There's not unloaded super cool euro spec map this go around like in the past. Both sides of the pond have restricted units..

 

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well the map was pretty identical to stock actually. Nothing too crazy Until 13k rpms..... then it jumped over 11+ HP from the stock ecu at that rpm range.

It also turned off the headlight..... rear brake light.... some changes on the mode settings.....

This ecu was used for the test rides and I think test riders from magazines n such.....

but the skies the limit with this thing.... it was pretty awsome

rumor has it that yamaha MAY...May sell an ecu similar to this for "racing" only to the public....... just a rumor that I heard. So ya know how that goes....

That's because it didn't come from the US YEC supplierie me (Graves Racing Services) and they didn't use correct 15 spec drivers and applications those were provided after the ecu's shipped. You would have been better off using a flash kit from us to tune properly..

I don't see Yamaha competing with it's own racing company competitively with an add on box. If they are a track day / street guy who would put a box on that disables headlights and street functions... Otherwise you use a kit spec setup and plumb the bike correctly..

 

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It was good for 20hp also with that drag pipe right lol

 

[BooBooSS]

The firing order of an engine is determined by the crankshaft and camshaft geometry. It is in no way determined by the ECU. I think what you meant to say was that the ECU outputs to the injectors and coils are different between an EU and US ECU.

I was just trying to keep it simple earlier. You are absolutely right, the correct firing order of an engine is determined by the mechanical relationship between the camshaft and crankshaft. However, the motor’s firing order and ECU’s output must match and if you were to install your coil or injector wires into the wrong cylinder location it would commonly be diagnosed as an incorrect “firing order” because the ECU fired the wrong cylinder relative to the mechanical relationship between camshaft and crankshaft.

The EU and US harnesses locate the pins for each coil and injector in different places and the ECU compensates with different internal pin assignments.

If you were to attempt to install a non-immobilizer equipped US ECU into an immobilizer equipped EU harness or if you used the wrong flash configuration the pin locations for each cylinder wouldn't be correct and the bike would not run due to an incorrect “firing order”

 

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Ok, makes much more sense now. Thank you.

One other question, are Canadian edition models set up like the US ones, or EU ones? Are the flash tuners from Graves capable of flashing both, as long as you choose the right program?

Canadian bikes use the EU (Euro flash). They are in the FT database.

 

[BooBooSS]

I doubt whether it would be worth much for them copying an inferior product

Do I understand correctly that you are saying that the pinout for USA ECU is different to EU one?
ECU’s output must match and if you were to install your coil or injector wires into the wrong cylinder location it would commonly be diagnosed as an incorrect “firing order” because the ECU fired the wrong cylinder relative to the mechanical relationship between camshaft and crankshaft. If that is the case at all there is an easy fix. Just swap the 'incorrect" connectors on injectors and ignition coils.

This is just posting to drag something on that doesn't pertain to the thread at all... I'm answering it and moving on...


Do I understand correctly that you are saying that the pinout for USA ECU is different to EU one? Yes that is correct.

If that is the case at all there is an easy fix. Just swap the 'incorrect" connectors on injectors and ignition coils. Correct again, if harness reaches.

 

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Install the wrong map it won't work.. my posts are correct, so leave your just rambling